MLB 17 Trade Discussion Thread

[MrSerendipity]

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If Robles is your guy and that's who you want (nothing but upside, good choice), then stay with your original deal. Feede is legit and I like what you did with the brothers as it could provide a neat narrative for the story of the franchise. Keep Freeman and use your best 30+ yr. old D POT farm hand to get all 4 players from the Nats.

I have no issue recommending I.Happ for R.Ray straight up.

Use the Grienke package you were offering the Cubs and flip it to LAD for A.Either and C.Bellinger. Do it quick because he hit .350+ in AAA and got called up today.

Ship A.Pollock to TOR for S.Reid-Foley/A.Alford/M.Pentecost or any package from another team with a similar makeup/value (legit projectable arm/young exciting athlete/above average ball player) that could use him long-term.

I expect there may be some tweaks from feedback but think I'm pretty close all around. Just do me a favor, next year, package some of the arms you have down on the farm for a couple of guys that will play 162 games instead of 30.

I really like each of those deals. I considered maybe trying to deal Pollock to HOU for Martes and Hernandez. Does that work? If not, what if I include Miller?

[hampshirestags]

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Thanks for the replies Hampshire and Gamecock. I drafted a 74 Ovr A potential 2B prospect so I view him as my 2B of the future and Wong doesn't excite me anyways. In place of Wong, what could I get from STL on top of Weaver?

Pick a bullpen pitcher from the Marlins that is having a shut down year (that is not named Ramos/Barraclough) and send him and Gordon to STL for Weaver/R.Arozarena, assuming he made the OSFM roster. If he didn't, look around the STL farm for a young corner OF/IF with C pot.

[MrSerendipity]

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I wouldn't give up Bellinger for Grienke. But that's just me. Switch it to Verdugo or Calhoun as the headliner position player and I think it works

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Is there something I can do to sweeten the deal for Bellinger in your opinion? I'd prefer Bellinger as I'll need my first baseman of the future after dealing Goldschmidt to WAS. I especially love that he is from Arizona. Robles will be my future CF and I just asked about a potential deal with HOU in which I'd get Hernandez, so I'm not seeing a need at OF. I'm also dealing Ray to the Cubs for Happ, so I'm solid at 2nd as well. Though I do like Calhoun.

[GamecocksLaw17]

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Is there something I can do to sweeten the deal for Bellinger in your opinion? I'd prefer Bellinger as I'll need my first baseman of the future after dealing Goldschmidt to WAS. I especially love that he is from Arizona. Robles will be my future CF and I just asked about a potential deal with HOU in which I'd get Hernandez, so I'm not seeing a need at OF. I'm also dealing Ray to the Cubs for Happ, so I'm solid at 2nd as well. Though I do like Calhoun.

So the thing with LA is I doubt they would care enough about salary relief to give up a top 10 prospect. Unless Grienke is pitching like his 2015 self then I don't see how they get such an elite prospect for an old pitcher making almost $35 million a year. I'll try to think of something you could add but I'm drawing a blank. The other headliners seem okay although I'd rather Walker than Ray if I'm giving up Happ

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[MrSerendipity]

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So the thing with LA is I doubt they would care enough about salary relief to give up a top 10 prospect. Unless Grienke is pitching like his 2015 self then I don't see how they get such an elite prospect for an old pitcher making almost $35 million a year. I'll try to think of something you could add but I'm drawing a blank. The other headliners seem okay although I'd rather Walker than Ray if I'm giving up Happ

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I don't mind swapping Walker in for Ray. They're both pitching about the same right now. I like Walker a little more but it's not end of the world for me if its all that stands in the way of getting Happ.

As far as Greinke is concerned, he's 5-1 with 86.2 IP, a 2.08 ERA and a 2.4 WAR. He's pitching lights out for me right now. (June 9th, 2017)

[hampshirestags]

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So the thing with LA is I doubt they would care enough about salary relief to give up a top 10 prospect. Unless Grienke is pitching like his 2015 self then I don't see how they get such an elite prospect for an old pitcher making almost $35 million a year. I'll try to think of something you could add but I'm drawing a blank. The other headliners seem okay although I'd rather Walker than Ray if I'm giving up Happ

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Yeah, the LAD deal was the one I was going back and forth on but then I realized I was letting last year scare me off like everyone else is. All things being equal, I just don't think last year is a fair representation of what Grienke is. I was less worried about salary relief and more trying to put money in the deal to make it "look better" since we can't give/take cash in the game.

Here's some food for thought...Take the Verdugo deal (everything we've seen says he will hit very well at the MLB level) and then flip Pollock to HOU with Martes and AJ Reed as the main guys. Reed no longer classifies as a prospect as he put in 45 games with the big club last year.

Walker, Ray, Bradley... 6:5 pick 'em. I went with the lefty.

[GamecocksLaw17]

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I don't mind swapping Walker in for Ray. They're both pitching about the same right now. I like Walker a little more but it's not end of the world for me if its all that stands in the way of getting Happ.

As far as Greinke is concerned, he's 5-1 with 86.2 IP, a 2.08 ERA and a 2.4 WAR. He's pitching lights out for me right now. (June 9th, 2017)

I went and checked. Greinke is still owed $172 million. To dump that and get Bellinger Greinke has to produce an average of 4.8 WAR over the next 5 seasons. Over the last 5 years he's had 20.7 WAR or an average of 4.1ish. If you take out the bad 2016 you get 22.4 WAR which is closer at 4.5ish per year. But he's aging and there's little reason to expect him to improve much more. All of this is using $10 million as the value of a win since that's the figure AC pointed out when the McCutcheon talks happened

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[MrSerendipity]

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Yeah, the LAD deal was the one I was going back and forth on but then I realized I was letting last year scare me off like everyone else is. All things being equal, I just don't think last year is a fair representation of what Grienke is. I was less worried about salary relief and more trying to put money in the deal to make it "look better" since we can't give/take cash in the game.

Here's some food for thought...Take the Verdugo deal (everything we've seen says he will hit very well at the MLB level) and then flip Pollock to HOU with Martes and AJ Reed as the main guys. Reed no longer classifies as a prospect as he put in 45 games with the big club last year.

Walker, Ray, Bradley... 6:5 pick 'em. I went with the lefty.

I went and checked. Greinke is still owed $172 million. To dump that and get Bellinger Greinke has to produce an average of 4.8 WAR over the next 5 seasons. Over the last 5 years he's had 20.7 WAR or an average of 4.1ish. If you take out the bad 2016 you get 22.4 WAR which is closer at 4.5ish per year. But he's aging and there's little reason to expect him to improve much more. All of this is using $10 million as the value of a win since that's the figure AC pointed out when the McCutcheon talks happened

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Man, what a bummer. I love Bellinger and those AZ roots for the Diamondbacks.

Say I do the Verdugo trade. Does that include taking on Ethier's contract? How does that trade work as I would expect a better deal for me if I'm not getting Bellinger. Also, if I go this route, I'd want to move Peralta or Tomas. Where could I find a market here? Current expectation is to send Pollock to HOU for Francis Martes and AJ Reed (still really like Hernandez).

[hampshirestags]

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I went and checked. Greinke is still owed $172 million. To dump that and get Bellinger Greinke has to produce an average of 4.8 WAR over the next 5 seasons. Over the last 5 years he's had 20.7 WAR or an average of 4.1ish. If you take out the bad 2016 you get 22.4 WAR which is closer at 4.5ish per year. But he's aging and there's little reason to expect him to improve much more. All of this is using $10 million as the value of a win since that's the figure AC pointed out when the McCutcheon talks happened

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That's about where I was but I dumped '17 for simplicity and took out 17 mm from the Either deal which had me at 4/120 ish. It still came out around 4.5 rounded but now we're talking full 'zeroed' value on this beast of a contract.

Another thought, would LAD be interested in Ray (or Bradley or the long list of prospect arms ARZ has) to get some cheap innings in anticipation of Kershaw's lifetime deal after '18?

[GamecocksLaw17]

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Man, what a bummer. I love Bellinger and those AZ roots for the Diamondbacks.

Say I do the Verdugo trade. Does that include taking on Ethier's contract? How does that trade work as I would expect a better deal for me if I'm not getting Bellinger. Also, if I go this route, I'd want to move Peralta or Tomas. Where could I find a market here? Current expectation is to send Pollock to HOU for Francis Martes and AJ Reed (still really like Hernandez).

I dont think you'd have to take on Eithier in that situation. Basically it come down to LAD saying hey if I'm willing to give up Bellinger why don't I talk to my buddy in Tampa and get 5 cheap years of Archer instead of 5 expensive years of Greinke. You could probably get Verdugo plus something else. I keep saying Mitchell White but he has a lot of helium and seems like a legit pitching prospect

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[hampshirestags]

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Man, what a bummer. I love Bellinger and those AZ roots for the Diamondbacks.

Say I do the Verdugo trade. Does that include taking on Ethier's contract? How does that trade work as I would expect a better deal for me if I'm not getting Bellinger. Also, if I go this route, I'd want to move Peralta or Tomas. Where could I find a market here? Current expectation is to send Pollock to HOU for Francis Martes and AJ Reed (still really like Hernandez).

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx...99&position=OF

Check that out and ask the question again. P.S. Arizona kid...and he's 20.

[MrSerendipity]

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I dont think you'd have to take on Eithier in that situation. Basically it come down to LAD saying hey if I'm willing to give up Bellinger why don't I talk to my buddy in Tampa and get 5 cheap years of Archer instead of 5 expensive years of Greinke. You could probably get Verdugo plus something else. I keep saying Mitchell White but he has a lot of helium and seems like a legit pitching prospect

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http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx...99&position=OF

Check that out and ask the question again. P.S. Arizona kid...and he's 20.

That's a fair point. The Show isn't even going to let me push a trade through that doesn't include Ethier for budgetary reasons. With that in mind, does bringing on Ethier's contract give me some wiggle room for a better package?

Something like:

LA
Greinke
Dawel Lugo

ARI
Verdugo
Ethier
Calhoun

I'm starting to ponder if there is a move I couldn't turn around and make with some prospects/position players to pull Gallo from Texas. Something like Drury, Miller and Calhoun? I could then send Pollock to TOR for Reid-Foley and McGuire? That gives me a future defensive lineup of:

C - McGuire
1B - Gallo
2B - Happ
SS - Owings
3B - Lamb
OF - Robles
OF - Verdugo
OF - Tomas/Peralta

If I've found myself standing out in Left Field let me know, either way I'll start making my trades after the next responses.

[GamecocksLaw17]

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That's a fair point. The Show isn't even going to let me push a trade through that doesn't include Ethier for budgetary reasons. With that in mind, does bringing on Ethier's contract give me some wiggle room for a better package?

Something like:

LA
Greinke
Dawel Lugo

ARI
Verdugo
Ethier
Calhoun

I'm starting to ponder if there is a move I couldn't turn around and make with some prospects/position players to pull Gallo from Texas. Something like Drury, Miller and Calhoun? I could then send Pollock to TOR for Reid-Foley and McGuire? That gives me a future defensive lineup of:

C - McGuire
1B - Gallo
2B - Happ
SS - Owings
3B - Lamb
OF - Robles
OF - Verdugo
OF - Tomas/Peralta

If I've found myself standing out in Left Field let me know, either way I'll start making my trades after the next responses.

That's way underwhelming Pollock. He's better than SRF and McGuire

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[MrSerendipity]

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That's way underwhelming Pollock. He's better than SRF and McGuire

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How does the Gallo deal look?

TOR
Pollock

ARI
Reid-Foley
Urena
McGuire

I'd be willing to throw in Owings, Marte, Ahmed, Leyba or Chisholm.

[GamecocksLaw17]

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How does the Gallo deal look?

TOR
Pollock

ARI
Reid-Foley
Urena
McGuire

I'd be willing to throw in Owings, Marte, Ahmed, Leyba or Chisholm.

I'm a bad person to ask in Gallo. I think way too highly if him than I should with the risk he has. Maybe someone else can help with gauging Gallo's value

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