MLB 17 Trade Discussion Thread

[GamecocksLaw17]

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I was about to respond to the other post but I'll just respond here. I think the WAS/PIT deal is solid. The only question mark is Soto who I could swap for Stevenson but I think PIT really tries to sell high here.

I'm good with swapping Pompey out for Alford. Alford has been called up but Pompey is doing pretty well in AAA.

I decided to go with Kelly here after you recommended it. I did some additional looking at stories on Yadier's extension and the overall consensus amongst Cardinal fans (Because Quintana for a Kelly package has been mentioned) was that Quintana would be worth losing Kelly if they kept Reyes.

Let me try to wrap the Gray and DooLittle package together and you can simply let me know how off I am. Texas' system is so weak that I wouldn't be surprised if it still isn't doable. (Which is completely understandable)

TEX Receives:
Sonny Gray (Stats Above)
Sean DooLittle (Stats Above)

OAK Receives:
Ariel Jurado (#3)
Brett Martin (#5)
Anderson Tejada (#7)
Alex Speas (#9)
Joe Palumbo (#11)
Yeyson Yrizarri (#17)

Those rankings are per MLB.com and reflect their ranking in the Ranger system. If that doesn't work, are any of these guys more affordable for me:

Junior Guerra (2.34 ERA, 4-3, 77 IP)
Taijuan Walker (2.36 ERA, 3-4, 80 IP)
Danny Duffy (3.33 ERA, 5-5, 78.1 IP)
Ivan Nova (3.71 ERA, 2-8, 77.2 IP)

Can't get Doolittle and Gray interdivision for the low low cost of 0 top 100 prospects. You can't just go quantity over quality. Walker and Duffy would cost a ton. I'm sure the Brewers would be happy to sell high on Guerra and Nova has to wait a while to be traded since he just signed.

[MrSerendipity]

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Can't get Doolittle and Gray interdivision for the low low cost of 0 top 100 prospects. You can't just go quantity over quality. Walker and Duffy would cost a ton. I'm sure the Brewers would be happy to sell high on Guerra and Nova has to wait a while to be traded since he just signed.

That is a really fair point. I'm completely okay with including Mendez in a deal, I just wouldn't want to deal him inner-division. Honestly, it seems that between my weak farm and the cost for a legitimate arm, it's not going to pan out bringing in a pitcher. Guerra is interesting but at what cost. Guys like Cole, Archer and Quintana are far out of my price range. I really like Duffy but I don't know his value and I trust that if you're saying he's too expensive, he's too expensive.

I'm just not in a position to include guys like Gallo and Mazara in deals. Especially after dealing Odor already.

[GamecocksLaw17]

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That is a really fair point. I'm completely okay with including Mendez in a deal, I just wouldn't want to deal him inner-division. Honestly, it seems that between my weak farm and the cost for a legitimate arm, it's not going to pan out bringing in a pitcher. Guerra is interesting but at what cost. Guys like Cole, Archer and Quintana are far out of my price range. I really like Duffy but I don't know his value and I trust that if you're saying he's too expensive, he's too expensive.

I'm just not in a position to include guys like Gallo and Mazara in deals. Especially after dealing Odor already.

I think you could get Guerra for a package of something like Cole Ragans and Andy Ibanez.

[MrSerendipity]

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I think you could get Guerra for a package of something like Cole Ragans and Andy Ibanez.

That is something I would be willing to do. Doesn't hurt me that much. Odds are neither of those guys crack the starting Rotation/Lineup for me anyways.

[Gagnon39]

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Then they probably can't get Quintana unless they decide they're okay trading Reyes

I think they deal Reyes before Kelly.


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[GamecocksLaw17]

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I think they deal Reyes before Kelly.


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Really? One of the 5 or 6 best prospects in baseball that was worth 1.4 WAR over 46 innings last year. You think they'd rather move that than a catcher who won't play full-time until 2020 at the earliest

[GamecocksLaw17]

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I think they deal Reyes before Kelly.


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I saw this today and thought you might like to see it. In the MLBTR chat someone asked about getting Gerrit Cole and this was the answer.

Bryan
3:38 You mentioned Gerrit Cole as a young/controllable starter that could move at the deadline. I'm curious what you think the Yankees would have to offer to nab him.

Steve Adams
3:39 An enormous package. One starting with Torres and/or Frazier and then including 3-4 other names that make Yankees fans cringe.

[Councilmann_Jamm]

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Traded for Mark Appel for 24 year old SP/RP with major league time Jason Garcia.

Both players doing terrible in AAA so a change in scenery type trade. Appel is 5th starter and Garcia does some spot starting.

[Jason27]

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If you won't trade them then you can't get an ace with control through 2019 from your own division

I did a 3 team trade with the Pirates getting Jose Quintana & David Robertson from the White Sox, Gerrit Cole going to Houston and A.J. Reed, David Paulino & Brady Rodgers going to the White Sox


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[themadcap]

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In 2018 with the Phillies and I want to upgrade from Maikel Franco to a 3B with a bigger bat. I was thinking of a possible deal with the Twins, where we swap our two cost-controlled players in Franco and Miguel Sano, and I send them some high-end prospects. Now its only 1 month into the season, but twins are 8-16 and have already traded Buxton away for prospects.

The deal:

Twins Get:
Maikel Franco (83 ovr/85 pot) 3B, 25 yrs, 3 yrs control
Mickey Moniak (59 ovr/88 pot) CF, 19 yrs
Franklyn Kilome (66 ovr/85 pot) SP, 22 yrs

Phillies Get:
Miguel Sano (88 ovr/90 pot) 3B, 24 yrs, 4 yrs control

Maikel Franco Stats
2017: .258/.316/.402, 16 HR, 3.5 WAR, Gold Glove Winner
2018: .221/.288/.295, 2 HR

Miguel Sano Stats
2017: .275/.359/.501, 33 HR, 4.1 WAR
2018: .209/.298/.429, 4 HR

Hmm, while I certainly understand wanting more consistency on the offensive side of the ball I really can't see the Phillies doing this one. Which is to say that I think the Twins very likely would, being that both clubs are clearly in rebuild mode and there's some very good value to be had in both Moniak and Kilome. While Franco is clearly being outpaced by Sano in your franchise, he's a far better glove man at the hot corner. And prior to your 2017 season both were pretty comparable with the bat. WAR is pretty close as well.

I could see the Phillies moving on from Franco if he continues to fail to live up to expectations but I almost think they would be the ones seeking prospects in a return. A couple of pages back I posted a trade that the computer offered me out of the blue for Franco in my franchise (I had no intention of moving him initially). The offered Devers and Swihart. I countered with Devers and Groome for Franco and Neris as they needed bullpen help for a playoff run. Not sure if the phillies would have done it as Franco was actually hitting fairly well in my season, albeit with a low HR total (9 after AS break) but the Sox got their starting third basemen and a solid pen arm for the stretch run.

If you're set on acquiring Sano, I would think that the package you offered would get it done.

[GamecocksLaw17]

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Hmm, while I certainly understand wanting more consistency on the offensive side of the ball I really can't see the Phillies doing this one. Which is to say that I think the Twins very likely would, being that both clubs are clearly in rebuild mode and there's some good value to be had in both Moniak and Kilome. While Franco is clearly being outpaced by Sano in your franchise, he's a far better glove man at the hot corner. And prior to your 2017 season both were pretty comparable with the bat.

In real life, Miguel Sano is actually been a far superior defender at 3rd.

Sano: -2 DRS / 3.4 UZR / 4.0 DEF value
Franco: -5 DRS / -2.8 UZR / -2.1 DEF value

[themadcap]

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In real life, Miguel Sano is actually been a far superior defender at 3rd.

Sano: -2 DRS / 3.4 UZR / 4.0 DEF value
Franco: -5 DRS / -2.8 UZR / -2.1 DEF value

Good to know. I was remembering him being poorly rated defensively in the game. That might have been stock rosters though.

Surprised Franco's stats are that bad. I've always thought his glove was considered above average for the position.

[Gagnon39]

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I saw this today and thought you might like to see it. In the MLBTR chat someone asked about getting Gerrit Cole and this was the answer.



Bryan

3:38You mentioned Gerrit Cole as a young/controllable starter that could move at the deadline. I'm curious what you think the Yankees would have to offer to nab him.



Steve Adams

3:39An enormous package. One starting with Torres and/or Frazier and then including 3-4 other names that make Yankees fans cringe.

Right. But I'm talking about the Cardinals tradingg for Quintana.


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[GamecocksLaw17]

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Right. But I'm talking about the Cardinals tradingg for Quintana.


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You talked about Cole recently so I posted it

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[WildPotato]

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In real life, Miguel Sano is actually been a far superior defender at 3rd.

Sano: -2 DRS / 3.4 UZR / 4.0 DEF value
Franco: -5 DRS / -2.8 UZR / -2.1 DEF value

Interesting. In the hybrid roster Franco is superior on all defensive categories except arm strength. With that in mind, do you think my offer of Moniak, Kilome, and Franco is fair. Or too much of an overpay for Sano? The Phillies have plenty of prospects to get it done. I figured with four years of control, the Twins have no real reason to move him now unless they are "blown away" by an offer.