MLB 17 Trade Discussion Thread

[GamecocksLaw17]

Re: MLB 17 Trade Discussion Thread

Here's a shorter post lol.

Does Todd Frazier to the Red Sox for SP Trey Ball and 3B/SS Michael Chavis work? Red Sox need a 3B.

Also, what about Zach Britton to Washington for RP Koda Glover and 3B Drew Ward?

You aren't getting enough for Britton. Would need at least one of Fedde, Kieboom or Soto and more than just the one prospect. Frazier you could probably switch Chavis to Dalbec.

Ok so I'm having trouble finding values for certain players. I'll list some players, their stat lines, and teams that would be interested in them. Hopefully someone could give me a couple packages for at least some of the players I list. If you think a different team would be interested in the player along with the ones I listed let me know. Pick apart one guy and help me make a deal, make a couple offers for different guys, anything helps! Sorry for clogging the thread with long posts, this will be the last one.

LF Ryan Braun: .302, 16 HR, 46 RBI, 1.1 WAR
- Teams interested: Giants, Blue Jays, Texas(?)

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RP Ryan Madsen: 2.41 ERA
RP Sean Doolittle: 2.30 ERA, 12 SV (took closer role mid season)
- Teams interested: Colorado, SF, Boston, NYY, Detroit, KC, Washington, Texas

SP Sonny Gray: 7-6, 2.84 ERA, 1.12 WHIP, 99 K, 2.1 WAR
- Teams interested: SF, NYY, Houston, Texas, NYM

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OF Michael Saunders: .270, 10 HR, 32 RBI, 1.2 WAR
- Teams interested: Giants, Blue Jays, Texas(?)

2B/OF Howie Kendrick: .290, 7 HR, 28 RBI, 1.5 WAR
- Teams interested: Giants, Blue Jays, Texas(?), STL, NYY, KC

SP Jeremy Hellickson: 8-4, 2.00 ERA, 0.96 WHIP, 92 K,
- Teams interested: SF, NYY, Houston, Texas, NYM

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RP Jim Johnson: 3.00 ERA, 1.07 WHIP, 22 SV
- Teams interested: Colorado, SF, Boston, NYY, Detroit, KC, Washington, Texas

SP Jaime Garcia:4-3, 3.64 ERA, 1.40 WHIP, 45 K, 0.7 WAR (missed time)
- Teams interested: SF, NYY, Houston, Texas, NYM

2B Brandon Phillips: .316, 6 HR, 26 RBI, 1.4 WAR
- Teams interested:STL, NYY, KC

C Kurt Suzuki: .303, 3 HR 22 RBI, 2.0 WAR
- Teams interested: Minnesota, Detroit, Colorado

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CP Zach Britton: 3.41 ERA, 1.34 WHIP, 22 V
- Teams interested in: Texas, Washington

C Wellington Castillo: .245, 15 HR, 31 RBI, 1.6 WAR
- Teams interested: Minnesota, Detroit, Colorado

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LF Melky Cabrera: .298, 10 HR, 41 RBI, 1.0 WAR
- Teams interested in: Giants, Blue Jays, Texas(?)

CP David Robinson: 2.35 ERA, 23 SV
Teams interested: Texas, Washington

SP Jose Quintana: 8-4, 2.69 ERA, 1.03 WHIP, 107 K, 3.4 WAR
- Teams interested: SF, NYY, Houston, Texas, NYM

And I hate to be that guy but there have been trades with most of these guys already in the thread.

Braun:Braun is good, but expensive and has his 10/5. Headline him with a guy around the top 50 and build on that. That should be consistent with things we've said in the past.

Madson:He's a meh reliever, he will get a meh return

Doolittle: Doolittle is hard because he's always hurt.

Gray: Gray won't be cheap pitching like he is. He's going to get a package similar to Quintana. So it will take the best prospect from most teams as a headliner.

Saunders:C+ prospect, maybe you can get lucky and get a B-. He's always hurt

Kendrick:Look at what the Phillies gave the Dodgers and go from there

Hellickson:He's expensive, a rental and not great. Again something like a C+ or low B. Best case is something like the Mike Leake rental trade

Johnson:C+ prospect and maybe a C on top of that.

Garcia:Injury prone pitcher that's missed time for injury? C+ is the best you could hope for

Phillips:C prospect. He was traded for pennies and has a partial no trade clause

Suzuki:None of those 3 teams make sense. Minnesota just let him go in FA. Colorado has better internal options. Detroit does too.

Britton:Like 90% of the Andrew Miller deal. Britton is pretty great

Castillo:Maybe a B prospect. He was non-tendered and he is playing decent but you won't get a stud for him.

Cabrera:Very little. Former PED guy who is playing marginally

Robertson:Look at the reports that are all over the news

Quintana:Like what I wrote for Gray. We've also seen examples of what CHI SOX turned down.


If you start asking about only a couple guys you'll get more responses. Its not exactly easy to give responses on like 15 guys especially when a chunk have had trades built already in the thread.

[GamecocksLaw17]

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I'm in the offseason of my Braves chise. What would the following players fetch?

LF Matt Kemp - 82 overall, 33 years old: 146 games, .261 average, 21 homers, .743 OPS, 1.5 WAR

RF Nick Markakis - 78 overall, 34 years old: 149 games, 6 Homers, .258 average, .700 OPS, .7 war

SP Jaime Garcia - 80 overall, 31 years old: 6-10, 155.2 Innings, 3.01 ERA, 3.2 WAR, 3.36 FIP

RP Jim Johnson - 80 overall, 34 years old: 2-2, 44 saves, 51 innings pitched, 1.80 ERA, 1.2 WAR RELIEVER OF THE YEAR

3B Adonis Garcia - 78 overall, 32 years old: 149 games, .256 Average, .702 OPS, 15 homers, .2 war

If this means after 2017 before 2018 you can't trade J. Garcia because he would be an FA. You'd be lucky to give away A. Garcia Markakis and Kemp barely have value because of a combo of age/performance/salary. And Johnson we get maybe a B prospect. He won't be the best reliever on the market (Britton) so there won't be a real bidding war for him or anything

B-/C+ for Kemp/Markakis.

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[holden57]

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What caliber starting pitcher can Orlando Arcia get me? 2017 season and I have him in AAA.

[GamecocksLaw17]

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What caliber starting pitcher can Orlando Arcia get me? 2017 season and I have him in AAA.

Honestly, a very good one. He was a top 10 prospect entering the 2016 season and a top 15 in the Baseball America Midseason rankings. Which teams are out of it and rebuilding. You could get yourself a Jose Quintana level guy with a package starting around Arcia

[hampshirestags]

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Honestly, a very good one. He was a top 10 prospect entering the 2016 season and a top 15 in the Baseball America Midseason rankings. Which teams are out of it and rebuilding. You could get yourself a Jose Quintana level guy with a package starting around Arcia

I was thinking more Hellickson/Tillman level. The shine has come off the penny a bit and light-hitting, glove first middle IF'ers are a dime a dozen. He's young and has some pedigree but hasn't hit at the big league level and I just don't think he's got the value to command a SP with that type of talent/results/team control.

[GamecocksLaw17]

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I was thinking more Hellickson/Tillman level. The shine has come off the penny a bit and light-hitting, glove first middle IF'ers are a dime a dozen. He's young and has some pedigree but hasn't hit at the big league level and I just don't think he's got the value to command a SP with that type of talent/results/team control.

Hellickson is an expensive rental and so is Tillman. Arcia is on about a 2 WAR pace as a rookie that hasn't hit a ton. Tillman has a career high of 2.4 WAR and only topped 2 twice. Hellickson has been god awful.

Maybe the shine has come off a touch, but he's 22 in the majors playing good SS defense. He isn't getting traded for marginal relievers. His DEF value on Fangraphs is the same as Lindor, he has the same WAR this year as Addison Russell, is higher than Dansby Swanson and Tim Anderson.

Would you say Dansby Swanson's value has tanked too? He only has a 61 wRC+ which is lower than Arcia's and he isn't as good a defender.

[holden57]

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Thanks for the replies guys. I was hoping for an Archer, Gray or Quintana type as he is(was?) a top prospect and is an A potential in the game. But then you blend the game with real life and I can see how a career .649 OPS in the bigs so far might lessen the shine. Hopefully we can get some more input! I desperately need to add pitching if I'm going to make the playoffs with the Brew crew.

[hampshirestags]

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Hellickson is an expensive rental and so is Tillman. Arcia is on about a 2 WAR pace as a rookie that hasn't hit a ton. Tillman has a career high of 2.4 WAR and only topped 2 twice. Hellickson has been god awful.

Maybe the shine has come off a touch, but he's 22 in the majors playing good SS defense. He isn't getting traded for marginal relievers. His DEF value on Fangraphs is the same as Lindor, he has the same WAR this year as Addison Russell, is higher than Dansby Swanson and Tim Anderson.

Would you say Dansby Swanson's value has tanked too? He only has a 61 wRC+ which is lower than Arcia's and he isn't as good a defender.

"The shine has come off the penny a bit" <> "tanked".

I expect his defensive ratings/value to be high, that's what he does well and the reason for the elite prospect rating. Of course he has value, I just don't think it's headline Q/Gray type of value but higher than S.Feldman type... more like Z.Wheeler? (no need) or A.Cobb? (again, no need).

It's not fair to mention Lindor and any of the other guys we're throwing around. Apples and oranges. Arcia and Swanson are two different players and... Tim Anderson..?? I honestly chuckled when I read that (remember when he was the best the White Sox had?). Let's just say I'm not going to bother looking up his current numbers and concede he belongs somewhere in here and is a fine human being.

As far as Dansby goes... yeah, his value has taken a hit as this can't even be called a sophomore slump yet. His elite value comes from his bat and if he can't come out on the other side of this adjustment, you might be looking at a right handed version of Stephen Drew instead of...whoever the comp is for him these days.

[rtwilli4]

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Thanks for the replies guys. I was hoping for an Archer, Gray or Quintana type as he is(was?) a top prospect and is an A potential in the game. But then you blend the game with real life and I can see how a career .649 OPS in the bigs so far might lessen the shine. Hopefully we can get some more input! I desperately need to add pitching if I'm going to make the playoffs with the Brew crew.

I agree that he could headline a trade for Gray, Quintana, Archer, etc. Of those three teams the A's make the most sense as the Rays and Sox already have good young SS talent. There are other pitchers out there as well.

Personally I think the Brewers would and should be looking at 2018 and beyond, which means probably not trading Arica.





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[holden57]

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I agree that he could headline a trade for Gray, Quintana, Archer, etc. Of those three teams the A's make the most sense as the Rays and Sox already have good young SS talent. There are other pitchers out there as well.

Personally I think the Brewers would and should be looking at 2018 and beyond, which means probably not trading Arica.



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IRL I agree, but I'm playing .500 ball with them and think I could make the playoffs if I just improve my pitching. I can't hit with Arcia at all so I thought maybe I could move him if his value is still high and grab an ace for my pitching staff.

[GamecocksLaw17]

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"The shine has come off the penny a bit" <> "tanked".

I expect his defensive ratings/value to be high, that's what he does well and the reason for the elite prospect rating. Of course he has value, I just don't think it's headline Q/Gray type of value but higher than S.Feldman type... more like Z.Wheeler? (no need) or A.Cobb? (again, no need).

It's not fair to mention Lindor and any of the other guys we're throwing around. Apples and oranges. Arcia and Swanson are two different players and... Tim Anderson..?? I honestly chuckled when I read that (remember when he was the best the White Sox had?). Let's just say I'm not going to bother looking up his current numbers and concede he belongs somewhere in here and is a fine human being.

As far as Dansby goes... yeah, his value has taken a hit as this can't even be called a sophomore slump yet. His elite value comes from his bat and if he can't come out on the other side of this adjustment, you might be looking at a right handed version of Stephen Drew instead of...whoever the comp is for him these days.

He'd still get way better than a Zack Wheeler or Alex Cobb. You don't trade a guy who was a top 10 prospect in baseball for a couple guys who have missed 18+ months with TJS and have very little team control.

As far as Dansby goes, if you look at his last month he has a 93 wRC+ which isn't bad for a 23 year old playing short.

You know who has a lower wRC+ than that this year? Manny Machado with an 85 wRC+

But seriously, if you're the White Sox and the Brewers call and offer you Arcia + Erceg + Woodruff you would turn it down? What if it was Arcia + Ortiz + Clark? Heck I'd trade Quintana for Arcia + Hader and call it a day

[rtwilli4]

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IRL I agree, but I'm playing .500 ball with them and think I could make the playoffs if I just improve my pitching. I can't hit with Arcia at all so I thought maybe I could move him if his value is still high and grab an ace for my pitching staff.

IRL they are over .500 and in first place. Rebuilds only work if you stick to the plan.




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[hampshirestags]

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He'd still get way better than a Zack Wheeler or Alex Cobb. You don't trade a guy who was a top 10 prospect in baseball for a couple guys who have missed 18+ months with TJS and have very little team control.

As far as Dansby goes, if you look at his last month he has a 93 wRC+ which isn't bad for a 23 year old playing short.

You know who has a lower wRC+ than that this year? Manny Machado with an 85 wRC+

But seriously, if you're the White Sox and the Brewers call and offer you Arcia + Erceg + Woodruff you would turn it down? What if it was Arcia + Ortiz + Clark? Heck I'd trade Quintana for Arcia + Hader and call it a day

In the end, this is similar to the Buxton situation in that neither should be traded for at least another 1000 AB's or so. However, it appears I just don't have his floor as high as you do. Ervin Santana?

61 wRC+ is failing for anybody, I don't care what he's done lately...especially when it's still far below expectations. I follow Mr. Swanson fairly closely, this is a guy that slugged .900+ for 2 years in the SEC. He can hit, he's just not doing it. Though I would quickly agree it's more with plate coverage than swing mechanics...you want to go look up S.Drew first 2 years in the league Mr. smarty pants? You know who doesn't have an 85? Jake Lamb...132.

With NYY, HOU and now LAD calling...yeah, I'd turn down Arcia from the Brewers. The guy has never hit, he's never going to hit and unless he's the second coming of Omar Vizquel, I've already got guys that can do that.

[holden57]

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I'm trying to think of a middle ground and can only come up with Danny Duffy from Kansas City. Assuming KC is out of the playoffs in my franchise would Duffy for Arcia be realistic?

[GamecocksLaw17]

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In the end, this is similar to the Buxton situation in that neither should be traded for at least another 1000 AB's or so. However, it appears I just don't have his floor as high as you do. Ervin Santana?

61 wRC+ is failing for anybody, I don't care what he's done lately...especially when it's still far below expectations. I follow Mr. Swanson fairly closely, this is a guy that slugged .900+ for 2 years in the SEC. He can hit, he's just not doing it. Though I would quickly agree it's more with plate coverage than swing mechanics...you want to go look up S.Drew first 2 years in the league Mr. smarty pants? You know who doesn't have an 85? Jake Lamb...132.

With NYY, HOU and now LAD calling...yeah, I'd turn down Arcia from the Brewers. The guy has never hit, he's never going to hit and unless he's the second coming of Omar Vizquel, I've already got guys that can do that.

Drew was a bad defender and Swanson has good defensive metrics. Drew was so bad he had a -.6 WAR his second year and even as bad as Swanson started the year he has a break even WAR so far.

Who do you think NYY, HOU and LAD would actually offer? Because the Brewers have an elite farm and could pretty easily match an offer that includes Arcia. But I can agree its in the Brewers best interest to keep him.

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/insta...orlando-arcia/ this was written when he was brought up last August. He doesn't profile as a star but he profiles as having a high likelihood of being an above average regular