MLB 17 Trade Discussion Thread

[Bard]

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I ask, but I'm a little biased, hoping to snag Happ from the northsiders. With Lackey getting old, Arrieta likely to walk, and a fringe starter in Brett, is it something I can convince myself of other than bias to be a plausible deal, or nah?


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Happ is the number 63 prospect in baseball. The number two prospect on the Cubs...So yes he would be available if the Cubs are in need.

Happ ++

Honestly, I would like some feedback here. Because Chicago to Chicago, my bias would be Jimenez + Happ + top 20 in system (lotto ticket).

That would be the 14th, 64th, and a lotto prospect for Quintana.

Goodness just feel like editing, if I were the White Sox I would ask for Cease as well or Almora.

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[BigOscar]

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one of 30 teams is not overly confidence of his value. I did say you could see someone desperate overpaying. When one team is willing to do it I consider it overpaying but just my opinion. Never said he was garbage. We are splitting hairs on this from the prospect list I use.

If MLB.com is your source of prospect list, the Astro's offered the equivalent of Frazier, Mateo and Kapriellan.

[jjpok]

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Happ is the number 63 prospect in baseball. The number two prospect on the Cubs...So yes he would be available if the Cubs are in need.

Happ ++

Honestly, I would like some feedback here. Because Chicago to Chicago, my bias would be Jimenez + Happ + top 20 in system (lotto ticket).

That would be the 14th, 64th, and a lotto prospect for Quintana.

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God you're killing me man. I mean good for my game, but a home town Evanston guy here hurts to hear.


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[Skillet05]

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Except Houston were willing to give up what you say no one was willing to give up. Martes is a top 20 prospect, they offered him plus a couple of guys of a similar if not higher level than Mateo. That's the point, Mateo is an add on, not the main piece of a Quintana trade

The Astros did not offer up Martes. Learn to read about the trade offers. The White Sox wanted Tucker, Martes, and one or two more pieces but the Astros balked at that price cuz they didn't want to trade Martes

[Gdbraden]

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Rebuilding a rotation in Pittsburgh. The Giants have Matt Moore on the block and they want Kevin Newman, Forrest Whitley and another B prospect (I can't remember).


Fair value?

[Skillet05]

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Rebuilding a rotation in Pittsburgh. The Giants have Matt Moore on the block and they want Kevin Newman, Forrest Whitley and another B prospect (I can't remember).


Fair value?

Thats a fair trade but its the pirates you should give up Nova, Newman, and Whitley/B Prospect

[Bard]

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Rebuilding a rotation in Pittsburgh. The Giants have Matt Moore on the block and they want Kevin Newman, Forrest Whitley and another B prospect (I can't remember).


Fair value?

Moore has roughly ~22 million in value. He is cheap, and still has two more option years.

So a top 50-75 prospect is in reach, but likely it.

Newman and Hearn are a solid fit I'd say.


Edit city for myself today haha.

Why would the Giants do this, however? Are they out of it?

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[Gdbraden]

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Its the first offseason and they added a top end starter. I can't remember who exactly at the moment. It made Moore their fifth starter so they threw him on the block. I don't have force trades on so I used "suggest trade" and the Giants were looking to load up their AAA affiliate. Newman, Whitley (acquired as part of McCutchen deal) and Steven Brault I believe.


It makes sense for both teams. Cole has one foot out the door and Glasnow is starting the season in the bullpen. I've got prospects to burn and need an arm.


I just use this thread to make sure I am not taking advantage of a flawed trade logic. I hate playing with a guy that I "ripped off" of another team. Its a killjoy.

[babybombers]

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The Astros did not offer up Martes. Learn to read about the trade offers. The White Sox wanted Tucker, Martes, and one or two more pieces but the Astros balked at that price cuz they didn't want to trade Martes

Thank you. I thought this was the case but never had time to fact check it and jut got home and was just about to post the same thing. So that makes no team willing to pay that price tag. That is the going price they want like I said but no one is willing to offer it up. And like I said even if they did that is one team out of 30 which doesn't not mean a whole lot.

[GamecocksLaw17]

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Thank you. I thought this was the case but never had time to fact check it and jut got home and was just about to post the same thing. So that makes no team willing to pay that price tag. That is the going price they want like I said but no one is willing to offer it up. And like I said even if they did that is one team out of 30 which doesn't not mean a whole lot.

The Astros balked at including Joe Musgrove, not the Tucker/Martes part

The report was that the Astros offered Martes, Tucker and Paulino

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[Skillet05]

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Thank you. I thought this was the case but never had time to fact check it and jut got home and was just about to post the same thing. So that makes no team willing to pay that price tag. That is the going price they want like I said but no one is willing to offer it up. And like I said even if they did that is one team out of 30 which doesn't not mean a whole lot.

No problem. Its basically saying that the Pirates should trade Meadows, Glasnow, and Newman/Mitch Keller. And then the Braves would hypothetically trade Newcomb, Albies, and Maitan. And basically the Cards would have to trade Carson Kelly, Luke Weaver, Delvin Perez, and Dakota Hudson. Since the cards system isn't as strong as the other three teams they have to give up more, but in my opinion these are the most likely trade scenarios in which Quintana would be acquired

[GamecocksLaw17]

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No problem. Its basically saying that the Pirates should trade Meadows, Glasnow, and Newman/Mitch Keller. And then the Braves would hypothetically trade Newcomb, Albies, and Maitan. And basically the Cards would have to trade Carson Kelly, Luke Weaver, Delvin Perez, and Dakota Hudson. Since the cards system isn't as strong as the other three teams they have to give up more, but in my opinion these are the most likely trade scenarios in which Quintana would be acquired

Besides the Pirates example yeah those are fair. Pirates would be Josh Bell not Meadows

It's simple if you don't think Quintana is that good you can't trade for him

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[Skillet05]

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Besides the Pirates example yeah those are fair. Pirates would be Josh Bell not Meadows

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I get it that the Pirates aren't giving up Meadows but what I said is what the White Sox want in return, not what teams will give up

[hampshirestags]

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A little background info first... After preaching on my soapbox about how the Angels are not as bad as they seem at first glance, I decided to tackle them instead of the A's (I'll get to the A's later as I'm a Gator and want to develop Puk into the Ace form he deserves). So I loaded up a OSFM 40 man roster (this is important later), signed Pap for the bullpen (and Otani with the self imposed restriction to leave him in AAA for '17) and off to play ball I went. Through 18 games we're playing fine baseball and in 2nd place in the AL West, 2 games out of 1st with 18 games played in total (this puts the calendar at 4/22). However, I have a glaring hole at C. Perez is hitting a crispy 143/192/163 in 15g with 49AB. Maldonado is faring much better at 357/400/500 but that is a 15AB sample size and he has a 35 contract R (which means he only plays vs. lefties with a 47 contact L). Those numbers will certainly come back down to earth.

I would very much like to bring D. Norris (TB) back to the AL West as he knows the division, has a much better fielding rating than Maldonado (54 vs. 67) and will hit lefties very well (71 contact L...45 contact R). He has 1 year of ARB left but his current line is 200/200/400 with 15AB through 18 games (again, not enough sample to get a decent value). The reason the 40 man OSFM roster is important is because it made Ramos healthy and he is starting for the Rays. They carry 3 catchers with Casali being the 3rd (no AB's at this point of the season).

I made a mistake with the roster but will not put in the extra couple of hours to start a franchise on a 25 man roster until the Hybrid team releases a roster (not a negative to OSFM as they are beautiful and very well done, I just sim more with a franchise I will get "lost" in and Hybrid numbers have given me better results in the past in that scenario).

All this being said, as I would normally do a smaller"ish" trade like this on my own, D. Norris (with a contact L like that) will be a player I recommend to others as the season drags on and would like to get a consensus on his value, albeit with a minor sample size. If I wait until mid-late May as I usually would, it may be too late with a this type of team.

I have a plethora of fine C POT SP's on the farm, would 2 of them be enough to entice TB to give me their backup C? I'm willing to pay full price as my current sample size does nothing to indicate value but would like it to be fair so when I recommend D. Norris to a franchise owner, I can do it with a good value rather than what I did to help myself.

So...that's what...500+ words on a D. Norris trade? See Mr. Serendipity, you're not the only "wordy" fella around!

[Gdbraden]

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Besides the Pirates example yeah those are fair. Pirates would be Josh Bell not Meadows

It's simple if you don't think Quintana is that good you can't trade for him

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It was reported in Pittsburgh that Glasnow and Meadows was the asking price for Quintana and there are many in town that wish they would have done the deal. Pundits and fans alike.