MLB '16 & '17: An Experiment and Observation

[NAFBUC]

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Yeah I don't think the devs purposely made it more Arcade. I do think they tried to help make hitting easier and may have swung too far the other way.

Couple that with new ball physics, player quirks, and effectiveness of wind, and I just feel that currently '17 is "out of balance".

I expect them to try and correct this via a patch. Whether they can or not remains to be seen.


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Could not agree more. I had a couple of paragraphs of my thoughts ready to post, but previous posts covered most of my observations.

There is no doubt the hitting window has increased over the years, taking a big leap this year. It would be ideal if the hitting tweaking was done on only the lower levels of play.

[bredfan]

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Could not agree more. I had a couple of paragraphs of my thoughts ready to post, but previous posts covered most of my observations.

There is no doubt the hitting window has increased over the years, taking a big leap this year. It would be ideal if the hitting tweaking was done on only the lower levels of play.

Not for nuthin', but couldn't easier hitting just be a byproduct of increased player skill from playing this game for years?

[countryboy]

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Not for nuthin', but couldn't easier hitting just be a byproduct of increased player skill from playing this game for years?

It could be a factor for sure, but after having played '17 and then back to '16, its my experience that there are far more pitches to hit (meatballs/pitches down the middle) in '17 vs '16. Also the PCI seems to be a bit larger in '17 than '16 thus allowing contact to be made more easily.

[Nolove626]

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Yet this ball is hit much harder. I know the feedback is online while pitching but come on...

This is not a fluke either I have ton of pictures with inconsistencies like these. It seems like you hit the ball generally harder when you are late compared to good timing or even yellow good/slightly early.

Do you guys notice this offline at all? Or you think its just online?


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I play offline and I can say for sure this is an issue as well. On hits that I feel I am right on top of I am left scratching me head as to why my hitter made such week contact. Then I will be super late on a slider low and away, and the ball is simply smoke for an opposite field home run on a line drive with velocity over 105. I am just really confused by this years game.

Confused because I can't figure if 1.) the ball physics are creating unintended results, or 2.) the non attribute related perks are causing artificial results in key situations (I.e. Ground ball Pitcher is causing me to hit a meatball sinker on the ground with elite hitters who would crush mistakes).

I'm actually hitting relatively well in this years game, but to often am I seeing mistake pitches on hitter favorable counts go nowhere, while pitches I have no business hitting are getting crushed. I will say it once and for all, micro transaction card modes like DD or ultimate team have been slowly killing sports gaming and simulation immersion for me for a long time.

[loganmorrison1]

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I do still have '16 installed (just no reason to delete it for more space yet), but I just couldn't go back to it. Humanity AI (in terms of the throwing animations having the correct urgency) and the new hit physics are two things that make '17 a completely different game than '16. I just can't give those up. Not to mention the game itself running smoother than '16 (although that may be due more to me buying a Pro in the past year).



I believe this game will be unanimously the best playing game in the series once the gameplay patches start rolling out (it already is for me and a lot of others).

I'm with you, I think this game is going to be great once we get that first patch. I'm probably having less problems than most people since I play every major league game for every team. So I'm currently only on day 3 of my franchise. I usually play with QC, but shelved that for now and since minors haven't started yet I haven't needed to sim anything. I pace I go, I'm fairly certain the patch will be out before i feel a bigger impact.


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[Armor and Sword]

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Agree. I think you will see a collective sigh of relief from those that have had serious issues (I am not one who has fortunately) and joy once patch 1.04 drops and really get's the game finely tuned and bugs worked out.


I am chomping at the bit just for those other 500 slots for SOTS......can't wait!!

[MLB14]

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Agree. I think you will see a collective sigh of relief from those that have had serious issues (I am not one who has fortunately) and joy once patch 1.04 drops and really get's the game finely tuned and bugs worked out.


I am chomping at the bit just for those other 500 slots for SOTS......can't wait!!

Have you had direct contact with people at the SIE San Diego Studio? I'm only asking because after reading your posts in this thread, you seem to..

[Armor and Sword]

MLB '16 & '17: An Experiment and Observation

Have you had direct contact with people at the SIE San Diego Studio? I'm only asking because after reading your posts in this thread, you seem to..

It's called trust.

Unlike some and I am not singling out anyone. Just referencing the general tone of this forum, SDS has always delivered what I feel have been the best console baseball games and sports game for that matter, over the last 12 years.

That deep amount of equity they have built with me as an avid fan of their work and the confidence they have instilled in me with always supporting their product post release and lastly and most importantly their stellar track record and commitment to getting things right has me supremely confident they will drop an intensive patch to rectify serious issues and fix many many bugs that have been reported and reproduced by them in testing.


Simple as that.

Personally I am shocked at the level of venom and "distrust" merely 4 weeks after release when they have always come through and delivered patches in the past to fix things.

I realize the online side. I am talking about the offline franchise players.

Blown away by the hostility this year when they have really taken the gameplay to a new level of realism.

Of course we will have some bumps in the road . They took some huge chances with humanity AI and ball physics and save for some minor hiccups it is an amazing game.

They will get it right. I have no doubts.


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[MLB14]

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It's called trust.

Unlike some and I am not singling out anyone. Just referencing the general tone of this forum, SDS has always delivered what I feel have been the best console baseball games and sports game for that matter, over the last 12 years.

I understand where you're coming from, but things change.

That deep amount of equity they have built with me as an avid fan of their work and the confidence they have instilled in me with always supporting their product post release and lastly and most importantly their stellar track record and commitment to getting things right has me supremely confident they will drop an intensive patch to rectify serious issues and fix many many bugs that have been reported and reproduced by them in testing.


Simple as that.

They are good for a solid patch, but they can only fix what's possible to fix through a patch. I'm not saying the patch won't do much, but they have limits to what they can address at this point.

Personally I am shocked at the level of venom and "distrust" merely 4 weeks after release when they have always come through and delivered patches in the past to fix things.

I realize the online side. I am talking about the offline franchise players.

Blown away by the hostility this year when they have really taken the gameplay to a new level of realism.

Of course we will have some bumps in the road . They took some huge chances with humanity AI and ball physics and save for some minor hiccups it is an amazing game.

I can understand where the distrust comes from. I think most people can. For me, it stems from their lack of communication with their customers after the game was released.

And yes, they did take chances with the ball physics. That's something that has to be tested extensively to get accurate.

[countryboy]

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So has anyone else who has played '17 gone back to play/try out '16? Thoughts?

[NDAlum]

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I think their method right now is to gather information and work nonstop until they can deliver a solid patch. I don't think they want to state things they think they can deliver and then fall short once it comes to submit the patch time.

[KnightTemplar]

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I think their method right now is to gather information and work nonstop until they can deliver a solid patch. I don't think they want to state things they think they can deliver and then fall short once it comes to submit the patch time.

True, however I'm not seeing much hostility for the offline. I think the negative conversations have mostly been fair, and I think rightfully so. There was a huge buildup for this addition, huge. It appeared that they had no idea about some of the problems, but I think people become a little skeptical when they see a product that needs a pretty good sized patch (and here it is almost a month after release date).

These guys are great at what they do, the animations, most of the physics, the graphics, but perhaps they need to back off a little next year with the hype because I think everyone is expecting a "fairly" clean game when it comes out.

If they'd only take this next cycle to fix ALL of the bugs and quirks and not add a thing to this game I think everyone would be happy, but maybe not.

[KnightTemplar]

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So has anyone else who has played '17 gone back to play/try out '16? Thoughts?

Simply can't go back. It was very dated to me then and it will be dated for me now. New kid is in town, even though he ticks us off.

[Armor and Sword]

MLB '16 & '17: An Experiment and Observation

I don't disagree about expectations for a clean game upon release.

This is certainly the buggiest release since MLB 12

And that was the last time I felt they pushed the envelope hard with gameplay.

That was the introduction of ball physics 1.0

I also agree and understand some things are un-patchable.

But like I have said several times, I have not come across anything in full count games that is killing my joy for the game and a few hiccups that I have seen I believe are fixable via patch.

It has been a polarizing release to say the least.




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[NDAlum]

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