Directional Hitting Guide

[Fuimus Troes]

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No problem! Sucks it's not working out for you, but I understand and you gotta go with what works.

It's a little off topic, but how small the pulse can get is based on your BB/9, whereas the odds on whether the ball will be in the pulse or not is based on the individual pitch's control rating. So I can understand why you would think it's a scam but it's actually working as intended.

I agree it's almost certainly working "as intended," I just think that it's poor implementation. The ball's ALWAYS in the pulse, right? -- how big the pulse is is the question -- but if I nail it (good timing, small circle) it's still almost certain that the pitch will be ON THE OUTSIDE EDGE of the circle. That's garbage. I'm pitching with good pitchers and providing good input, the pitches should go where intended far more often than they do. On the contrary, meter pitching means that if you nail a perfect release it pretty much overrides attributes. Seems there's no real middle ground...

Very frustrating...

[Fuimus Troes]

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Conversely, I'd wager I get about 2/3, maybe even 3/4 of my homers with a pull swing. These aren't hard and fast rules that guarantee an outcome, they're guiding concepts, the outcomes of which are affected by a multitude of factors.

Uh, yes, that's basically what I said in my post. I'm not looking for "guaranteed results," my post was disputing the claim or discovery (love you WarmWind, no offense intended) that pull swings literally add power and decrease contact. Continuing the conversation about directional hitting with my own findings. A little preachy there, my friend...

[TheWarmWind]

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Alright I think I'm going to put a stop to this, which is painful because I think you are both just trying to help and I love that.

Dragsy, I appreciate the help and support, but we don't need to force the issue when it comes to pushing the guide. In the end, this is nothing more than a fan made guide that has no official confirmation on validity. I welcome questioning and discourse.

Fumious, I'm sure that Dragsy did not mean any sort of personal attack on you or your posts, I think that he was just trying to help you enjoy the mode more, especially since he might have been seeing the results that you are not. I appreciate the skepticism and the contribution of your feedback. Keep it coming and keep me updated. If something is wrong with the guide, I want to know about it and I want as many sources as possible. As canned as an expression as this might be, I want this thread to be a "safe space" where people can contradict each other without the need to get defensive. Let's assume that posts are made in the best possible light before responding, and not get dragged into a negative spiral.

Healthy discourse is great, and right now we are still maintaining that. I just fear that we are teetering on the edge of that and I worry this might crumble into chaos. I am a little paranoid though so I apologize if I'm being overly cautious and reading too far into all of this. Again, love the discussion, let's just ensure we keep it in the realm of debate and away from personal conflicts.

[Fuimus Troes]

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Alright I think I'm going to put a stop to this, which is painful because I think you are both just trying to help and I love that.

Dragsy, I appreciate the help and support, but we don't need to force the issue when it comes to pushing the guide. In the end, this is nothing more than a fan made guide that has no official confirmation on validity. I welcome questioning and discourse.

Fumious, I'm sure that Dragsy did not mean any sort of personal attack on you or your posts, I think that he was just trying to help you enjoy the mode more, especially since he might have been seeing the results that you are not. I appreciate the skepticism and the contribution of your feedback. Keep it coming and keep me updated. If something is wrong with the guide, I want to know about it and I want as many sources as possible. As canned as an expression as this might be, I want this thread to be a "safe space" where people can contradict each other without the need to get defensive. Let's assume that posts are made in the best possible light before responding, and not get dragged into a negative spiral.

Healthy discourse is great, and right now we are still maintaining that. I just fear that we are teetering on the edge of that and I worry this might crumble into chaos. I am a little paranoid though so I apologize if I'm being overly cautious and reading too far into all of this. Again, love the discussion, let's just ensure we keep it in the realm of debate and away from personal conflicts.

All good, Warm One. I didn't apply the zen part of your guide while posting...

I have NO animosity at all against Dragsy, I totally get what he's saying, but the tone was a bit condescending -- we KNOW results aren't guaranteed, we KNOW strategies aren't foolproof -- that's BASEBALL. But it's all good...

Back to business, I really think you might want to investigate the buffs/debuffs maybe in practice mode -- for example, I think pushing diagonally up and away and getting a fastball in the zone up and away probably INCREASES power because you're going with the pitch. I can't see how it's impossible to get dev confirmation on this somehow...

I am GRATEFUL to you for your guide and settings. As much as I hate it visually, I'm now using strike zone as a hitting camera and results are phenomenal. Much easier to judge pitches...just wish it wasn't so dang ugly...

[Dragsy]

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Yeah, wasn't attacking anyone. Your post came across to me like you were expecting a particular outcome every time, and I was just countering that I don't think there's a great deal to be gained by having a pop at people you don't know online. We're all just trying to pool knowledge and get better at the game, right?

Similarly, I wasn't trying to protect the sanctity of the guide or whatever. I'm a relative newcomer baseball being a fan in the UK. If anything it helps me more to see disputes and debates on the theories you guys come up with, best way for me to learn in my opinion.

[loso_34]

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I'm about 28 games in my online franchise now and have guys with zero hrs.

How do I get more power or even run into one with guys who have average pop? Aim up? Diagonally pull?

[loso_34]

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Conversely, I'd wager I get about 2/3, maybe even 3/4 of my homers with a pull swing. These aren't hard and fast rules that guarantee an outcome, they're guiding concepts, the outcomes of which are affected by a multitude of factors.

This is true this is how I've hit all my hrs with trout/Dahl.

Swing animations may be a factor I dunno cause dahl has a line drive swing. On the other hand I have yet to hit one out with valbuena pulling but when I aim up he gets crazy lift..it's always warning track or out vs rhp

[TheWarmWind]

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I'm about 28 games in my online franchise now and have guys with zero hrs.

How do I get more power or even run into one with guys who have average pop? Aim up? Diagonally pull?

I'd start with a straight pull swing, then add the diagonal pull/up hybrid when ahead in the count. If you're facing a fireballer, a push swing can generate a lot of power too, so keep the pitcher in mind.

Honestly, forcing the issue with guys who have average power can end up backfiring, since the more you press for power the more you lose in other attributes. I'd recommend just trying some down swings when behind to see if you can force a few more solid hits and get their confidence back up. Once they get their "Swagger" back, you might notice a few more hard hit balls out of them.

I'm unsure about the validity of players having "swagger". If I were using the same system as my wild theories section, I'd rate it about a 5.

[loso_34]

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I'd start with a straight pull swing, then add the diagonal pull/up hybrid when ahead in the count. If you're facing a fireballer, a push swing can generate a lot of power too, so keep the pitcher in mind.

Honestly, forcing the issue with guys who have average power can end up backfiring, since the more you press for power the more you lose in other attributes. I'd recommend just trying some down swings when behind to see if you can force a few more solid hits and get their confidence back up. Once they get their "Swagger" back, you might notice a few more hard hit balls out of them.

I'm unsure about the validity of players having "swagger". If I were using the same system as my wild theories section, I'd rate it about a 5.

im not pressing for power but i cant even get the ball in the outfield with some of these guys.

for instance less than 2 outs a guy on first i always push with maybin and others i was wondering if i should try an uppercut swing when ahead in the count than push when behind? so far im getting nothing but infield hits with some of my guys.

[TheWarmWind]

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im not pressing for power but i cant even get the ball in the outfield with some of these guys.

for instance less than 2 outs a guy on first i always push with maybin and others i was wondering if i should try an uppercut swing when ahead in the count than push when behind? so far im getting nothing but infield hits with some of my guys.

Hmm yeah, I'd definitely recommend some more down swings in your approaches. If guys are struggling to get it out of the infield, it tells me their problem is vision, or lining up the ball and getting solid contact at a good angle. Downward influence will boost their vision and help smack a few more solid hits. It may reduce power but it won't completely disappear (I actually need to edit the OP because I have hit homeruns with a down swing now), plus when you hit into the gaps they are pretty much guaranteed doubles.

What difficulty/sliders are you on?

[phantomshark]

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Hate to pile on the bandwagon, but this is the best thread I've ever read. I had tried directional a couple of times, hated it, and always went back to zone. After finding this, I decided to try it, and on my first batter I chose a push hit with Michael Bourn on a 1-1 count and pulled a line drive rocket for a home run, which totally exploded all my previous misconceptions about this mode. My home runs are up, I'm hitting a lot more line drives into the gaps, and my strikeouts are way down. My biggest problem is, I have horrible pitch recognition, especially on low pitches. I almost never walk because they all look good until I start to swing. Any tips on how to get better determining pitch locations?

[TheWarmWind]

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Hate to pile on the bandwagon, but this is the best thread I've ever read. I had tried directional a couple of times, hated it, and always went back to zone. After finding this, I decided to try it, and on my first batter I chose a push hit with Michael Bourn on a 1-1 count and pulled a line drive rocket for a home run, which totally exploded all my previous misconceptions about this mode. My home runs are up, I'm hitting a lot more line drives into the gaps, and my strikeouts are way down. My biggest problem is, I have horrible pitch recognition, especially on low pitches. I almost never walk because they all look good until I start to swing. Any tips on how to get better determining pitch locations?

Glad the thread is helping you! My best tip is to try and learn the nuances of pitch delivery and movement. The earlier you recognize the pitch, the better. Each pitcher has to be learned individually, but the pitches themselves share some universal attributes. For example, I find that there is a visual rise, like they hit a miniature bump in the air, for both Changups and Curveballs.

The best place to start is to recognize the difference between a ball that is going to move and one that will stay straight. Once you can quickly identify moving/straight pitches, the rest becomes a little easier.

Beyond that, all the advice I have is in the OP under the discipline section.

[jtott]

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Here's 2 cue cards for those like me with a Goldfish memory :-)

Are these charts with batters view in mind... or from the pitchers view?

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[TheWarmWind]

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Are these charts with batters view in mind... or from the pitchers view?

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G930A using Operation Sports mobile app

They are made for those batting with a traditional batters/catchers view. For example, I use the MLB 15 camera and they line up perfectly.

[jtott]

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They are made for those batting with a traditional batters/catchers view. For example, I use the MLB 15 camera and they line up perfectly.

I always play with broadcast cameras... like watching the game on tv

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