Bug at bat - The ball goes through the bat

[countryboy]

Re: Bug at bat - The ball goes through the bat

I mean I'm not blaming the game for being scripted or anything, I just got my *** handed to me. I didn't look, but I always try to change it up a lil bit. I might not have deviated enough, who knows?

Just offering up some tips/suggestions.

I rely on the Pitcher/Batter analysis heavily. Wish it was more easily accessible.

[MLB14]

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Short, pretty clear. Heaven forbid they ever put a stadium creator in this game with all the collision detection that needs to go on. Boards will explode.

I wanna know exactly how they do ball -> stadium collision detection. It must be slick code.

[phantomblackgoat]

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This has been present in almost every MLB The Show game I have played. It's just become more common over the past 2 years because the new hitting engine is trash. It's especially noticeable in Road to the Show, but I think everyone and their mother knows at-bats in RTTS are rigged.

[NolanRyansSnowmonkey]

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Not the way it is usually explained, i.e., doesn’t matter who is batting, players will mysteriously drop balls, pitchers will hit a home run, base running blunder, all scripted into the game by the developers. Nothing you can do about it, you can’t stop it.

I would shelve this game, if so.

I would also shelve, nay, trash the game if so. I play a full 162 game season every year, sometimes playoffs, as well as (usually) a full spring, including
at least 30 or 40 games of slider testing before that - playing every single pitch - and I keep score (every pitch) myself, as well as detailed stats of all sorts, alongside their real life MLB counterparts. I have not seen any more comebacks in any version of this game, than you would see in a full season of real MLB. If this was happening, I would have stopped playing this game years ago, because it would throw my analytical mind into tilt.

[NolanRyansSnowmonkey]

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It is very clear that the game replays are not "captured" directly from how the game played out (otherwise they would not be that high quality and the file sizes would be too huge to keep them in the disk).

Not to mention the turning windmills and blowing flags even when the replay is paused...

[KCowse]

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[KBLover]

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In a way if you think about it, clutch senarios are basically comeback codes. Attribute bonuses in key situations late in the game...

No.

That's a player's attributes. There's no guarantee that the player will get clutch perks/penalties and it's based/matched against the other player in the scenario. So if the user's batter has 84 clutch and the CPU pitcher has 93 clutch and the CPU team is ahead, then the CPU will have the "clutch advantage".

Clutch situations also apply to both teams. They are high leverage situations, pivotal moments in the game that can swing it for EITHER successful team.

There's no situation that's clutch for the hitter but not for the pitcher or vice versa. If clutch attribute applies when runners are on, that's both hitter and pitcher.

So, by definition, it is not a comeback mechanic because the team in the lead gets it as well if their player's rating deems it so.

[Drty_Windshield]

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In a way if you think about it, clutch senarios are basically comeback codes. Attribute bonuses in key situations late in the game...

I actually think this is a fair statement. I've never been a big fan of the clutch component of the game (nor do I believe in any sort of pre-determined scripting).

But I agree that allowing for an artificial burst in a given scenario or time of the game could be perceived as a sort of comeback code.

Where I disagree though is that that happens to teams who are ahead as well. We just don't talk about those situations because a team expanding on their lead wouldn't fall into the "comeback code" category.

No.

That's a player's attributes. There's no guarantee that the player will get clutch perks/penalties and it's based/matched against the other player in the scenario. So if the user's batter has 84 clutch and the CPU pitcher has 93 clutch and the CPU team is ahead, then the CPU will have the "clutch advantage".

Clutch situations also apply to both teams. They are high leverage situations, pivotal moments in the game that can swing it for EITHER successful team.

There's no situation that's clutch for the hitter but not for the pitcher or vice versa. If clutch attribute applies when runners are on, that's both hitter and pitcher.

So, by definition, it is not a comeback mechanic because the team in the lead gets it as well if their player's rating deems it so.

Whats it like being so closed minded kblover? I said in a way, not out right...

[KBLover]

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Whats it like being so closed minded kblover? I said in a way, not out right...

Nothing to do with close minded. It's how the rating works.

[Drty_Windshield]

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Nothing to do with close minded. It's how the rating works.

I can argue that in a way ( meaning that in some form or fashion ) that clutch senarios are in fact a form of comebacks (whether already ahead or if you're currently loosing ) , you on the other hand can not argue that they aren't.

[kehlis]

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Nothing to do with close minded. It's how the rating works.

Maybe I'm missing something but I didn't see him (or anyone) question how the rating works.

Rather, I think he's asking if the rating itself makes sense.

All other ratings are based on factual stats with interpretation being the only question.

"Clutch" rating is purely arbitrary so I don't see why it's an unfair discussion to have. Can you elaborate to me how a clutch rating for one player versus another is established? If there is a true to real life standard to real life stats I'll be glad to admit I'm wrong.

Interested to see the real life facts to back up the clutch rating.

[kinsmen7]

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To all of you dummies saying that there's no comeback code, it happened to me again last night.

I was the Cleveland's playing against the Jays.

We rocked Stroman early going up 4-0 through two innings. Everything looked great. Clevinger was cruising for me! All of the sudden though, the CPU initiated the comeback code and boom, I was done. I mean, Aledmys Diaz hit a 3 run bomb off me, into the wind, into straight away center! ALEDMYS FRIGGIN' DIAZ! No way that guys ties the game up! His clutch rating is in the 50's. Clearly the comeback code got stuck on too, because later, with Steve Pearce on second after a passed ball glitch (Plus, guy can't hit, shouldn't have been on base at all), Teoscar Hernandez hit a two out double to put them up. Should never have happened because Andrew Miller was pitching.

They then proceed to go all god-mode on me and score 3 more in the ninth. Stupid.

I feel alright going into the bottom of the 9th though, because hey, we've got 12 hits so far, and they've only got 7, so surely the game will even itself out and allow me to tie it up...

Nope, they bring in Osuna even though they're up 4 (Bullpen logic in this game is sooooooooo bad), and he proceeds to shut me down.

Worst. Game. Everrrrrr.

https://www.mlb.com/gameday/blue-jays-vs-indians/2018/04/13/529611#game_state=final,lock_state=final,game_tab=box,game=529611

[KCowse]

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This is the thread you're looking for
https://forums.operationsports.com/f...d.php?t=878381


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[kinsmen7]

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This is the thread you're looking for
https://forums.operationsports.com/f...d.php?t=878381


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Naw, I'm in the right spot, just felt like a long winded sarcastic comment was needed to break up the nonsense going on in this thread.

[KnightTemplar]

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Naw, I'm in the right spot, just felt like a long winded sarcastic comment was needed to break up the nonsense going on in this thread.

Ugh.......