The Beauty of the Carryover Save Feature

[countryboy]

Re: The Beauty of the Carryover Save Feature

countryboy,

I've seen many of your posts in the past and you have to be the most committed Show player that I know of.
Anyways, what do you do with all these new prospects who take the game by storm?
Do you manually add them or just continue playing without them?

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If they aren't already in my franchise (I started in '16 with my own roster that had top prospects and journeymen) then I add them to my franchise.

After the amateur draft I normally will edit those players to become real life draft prospects or international prospects.

I would say that easily 98% of my franchise consists of actual players. I am always working on the other 2%

[BigOscar]

Re: The Beauty of the Carryover Save Feature

To be honest, I see it as both an incredibly cool feature that allows for some brilliant long saves, or caters to people who don't have time to complete multiple seasons in a year but still want that experience, but also as a sign of how little they actually change franchise year to year. of course you can carry over saves, the game is exactly the same.

Honestly, if franchise is ever going to make a huge leap forwards then it's going to have to have a complete overhaul one year that will make carrying over that year impossible. So as much as I like the feature, I also long for the year when they don't have it (if that means they've overhauled the mode, rather than just cut it because we can't have nice things!)

[countryboy]

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I had wondered at one time if carryover saves hindered SDS from making "significant" changes to franchise mode, but the more I thought about it, the less I believe that to be the case.

I say this because they have made changes to franchise mode, with the biggest change being how the budget system works, that worked fine with previous franchise saves. It was discussed about roster expansion if it that could work with previous save files and I believe that it can. Honestly, there isn't anything that I've seen in the franchise wishlist threads that I don't believe could work with existing franchises, even if it means you have to wait to advance to the new season before some changes take effect.

I'm not a game developer so maybe there are some things that carryover franchise hinders or makes impossible to be added so long as that feature exists. But until SDS comes right out and says that something can't be done due to carryover save feature, then I don't believe that it is the reason why things haven't been added to franchise mode that people are hoping for.

[BigOscar]

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I had wondered at one time if carryover saves hindered SDS from making "significant" changes to franchise mode, but the more I thought about it, the less I believe that to be the case.

I say this because they have made changes to franchise mode, with the biggest change being how the budget system works, that worked fine with previous franchise saves. It was discussed about roster expansion if it that could work with previous save files and I believe that it can. Honestly, there isn't anything that I've seen in the franchise wishlist threads that I don't believe could work with existing franchises, even if it means you have to wait to advance to the new season before some changes take effect.

I'm not a game developer so maybe there are some things that carryover franchise hinders or makes impossible to be added so long as that feature exists. But until SDS comes right out and says that something can't be done due to carryover save feature, then I don't believe that it is the reason why things haven't been added to franchise mode that people are hoping for.

So many things I can think of tbh. Even something as simple as changing the attributes system to add some new attribute (durability replaced with injury proneness and stamina for example) would require a carry over save to somehow invent new ratings for every player. (which may be possible, but would probably involve you having to go through and manually fixing all the players it broke giving implausibly terrible ratings that make them unusable)

or if they decided to actually keep track of your teams franchise records, or individual achievements of players. or add team characteristics to differentiate the different teams (Yankees big market, A's rely on trading rather than signing big free agents etc), or add player personalities (loyal, mercenary, trouble maker, etc etc), or actually implement a meaningful finance system instead of the seemingly pointless weekly budget/bank one they fudged in this year. or if they changed how drafted players worked or how quickly prospects developed, how potential worked. Even some thing as seemingly simple as expanding the rosters to 120 per team would mean coming up with a way of generating the extra players for every team.

So many things would require the game to generate huge amounts of new information for carryover saves that would almost certainly not match up with how the game was played in the previous years. There is so much set framework to how this game works that you don't even consider, but changing it would make implementing the carryover process a huge project (which given how little assets they have for franchise, would almost certainly rule out them being able to implement)

[countryboy]

Re: The Beauty of the Carryover Save Feature

So many things I can think of tbh. Even something as simple as changing the attributes system to add some new attribute (durability replaced with injury proneness and stamina for example) would require a carry over save to somehow invent new ratings for every player. (which may be possible, but would probably involve you having to go through and manually fixing all the players it broke giving implausibly terrible ratings that make them unusable)

or if they decided to actually keep track of your teams franchise records, or individual achievements of players. or add team characteristics to differentiate the different teams (Yankees big market, A's rely on trading rather than signing big free agents etc), or add player personalities (loyal, mercenary, trouble maker, etc etc), or actually implement a meaningful finance system instead of the seemingly pointless weekly budget/bank one they fudged in this year. or if they changed how drafted players worked or how quickly prospects developed, how potential worked. Even some thing as seemingly simple as expanding the rosters to 120 per team would mean coming up with a way of generating the extra players for every team.

So many things would require the game to generate huge amounts of new information for carryover saves that would almost certainly not match up with how the game was played in the previous years. There is so much set framework to how this game works that you don't even consider, but changing it would make implementing the carryover process a huge project (which given how little assets they have for franchise, would almost certainly rule out them being able to implement)

I have thought about that stuff which is why I made the comment that some of this stuff may not take place until you "advance to a new season". As for tracking individual achievements, things like that would probably take place starting from the new season going forward. No way for the game to back track, although it could for the last three years on some awards because the game saves them already. The game already tracks team records.

As for roster expansion, how that could be done was discussed in a different thread. I believe it was the franchise addition thread..I'm not going to rehash that here.

https://forums.operationsports.com/forums/mlb-show/944219-mlb-19-franchise-addition-requests.html

Look...maybe some of this stuff can't be done due to carryover save. We simply don't know, because SDS hasn't come out and said that to be the case. So to say that franchise mode is stagnant due to carryover save feature is at best pure speculation.

[BigOscar]

Re: The Beauty of the Carryover Save Feature

I have thought about that stuff which is why I made the comment that some of this stuff may not take place until you "advance to a new season". As for tracking individual achievements, things like that would probably take place starting from the new season going forward. No way for the game to back track, although it could for the last three years on some awards because the game saves them already. The game already tracks team records.

As for roster expansion, how that could be done was discussed in a different thread. I believe it was the franchise addition thread..I'm not going to rehash that here.

https://forums.operationsports.com/forums/mlb-show/944219-mlb-19-franchise-addition-requests.html

Look...maybe some of this stuff can't be done due to carryover save. We simply don't know, because SDS hasn't come out and said that to be the case. So to say that franchise mode is stagnant due to carryover save feature is at best pure speculation.

I'm pretty sure most of the things could be done to work with carryover, my main concerns are a) they'd be difficult and might work badly if at all and more importantly b) it would take a lot of work to do, which would make it unlikely to happen given the limited resources applied to franchise. Any resources used to make the new features work with the (fairly nice) feature of carryover saves is resources they wouldn't be using elsewhere.

Any major change to franchise would already require additional manpower being diverted that way, getting it to work with carryover saves as well would require even more resources. So any significant new addition would either have to be balanced against the backlash of removing carryover for the year, or require even more manpower to get it to work. I just doubt whether they see it as worth it as they seem happier doing the bare minimum with franchise.

In an ideal world, they'd allocate enough people to make significant changes and come up with workarounds to get them to work with carryover. I just don't think we live in that world though, instead I think we live in the world where they don't do anything that seems like it would require too much to do.

[countryboy]

Re: The Beauty of the Carryover Save Feature

So we went from no significant changes can be made to franchise mode because carryover save feature makes it impossible to well most things/changes could work with carryover franchise, but they probably wouldn't work right and would require the devs to do more than the bare minimum to add these things.

Got it!

[countryboy]

Re: The Beauty of the Carryover Save Feature

In an attempt to steer this thread back to the concept for which it was created...for those that have used the carryover save feature for a few years, how do you determine where the All-Star game is played each year? Do you pick or let the game randomly choose?

[coach422001]

Re: The Beauty of the Carryover Save Feature

In an attempt to steer this thread back to the concept for which it was created...for those that have used the carryover save feature for a few years, how do you determine where the All-Star game is played each year? Do you pick or let the game randomly choose?

Yeah I learned the hard way that I need to pay attention the city (NL or AL) as last year I played at the 2018 MLB site but the wrong league was home team
Generally I play year to year, so this year I will play at Progressive Field IF the game itself shows me that the AL is the home team

[eric7064]

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I really wish there was more "history and records" in franchise mode.

I was in year 6 of my franchise this year and fully anticipated carrying it over. I had kept notes on my phone of my all stars and all the good stuff, and then my phone died and couldnt recover the data. So that was disappointing.

[countryboy]

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I really wish there was more "history and records" in franchise mode.

I was in year 6 of my franchise this year and fully anticipated carrying it over. I had kept notes on my phone of my all stars and all the good stuff, and then my phone died and couldnt recover the data. So that was disappointing.

That sucks.

I use pen and paper.

I have a notebook that is filled with rocords, stats, and the like.

[Councilmann_Jamm]

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That sucks.

I use pen and paper.

I have a notebook that is filled with rocords, stats, and the like.

Yeah. I've gotten so into my universe. I plan on making an Excel sheet soon to track my league history.

I wanted to at the beginning and track information month to month but I just don't have the time.

So I'll be doing yearly Standings, All-Stars, Award Winners, Playoffs

Then Minor League All-Stars and some stats to do attribute boost for guys who broke out but didn't get noticed by the game engine!


What does everyone else track?

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[countryboy]

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I track essentially the same thing you do.

* Final Standings
* All Stars for all levels/leagues
* Future's Game Rosters
* Playoffs
* World Series winners
* Award Winners

I tried tracking coaching changes but it is so difficult that I gave up.

[zippy2212]

Re: The Beauty of the Carryover Save Feature

I absolutely love the carryover saves feature. I remember back in 13 when my wife bought me my Vita, I flew through several years of a franchise and got so attached to my team I didn't want to start over. But I did specifically because of this feature.
As I stated in the franchise thread recently, I'm now in the 2021NLCS. It's season 8 of my 14 franchise. I've played every pitch of every inning. I started with one of the 1st roster updates SCEA did that year, only adding in CAPs of some of the Top prospects and a bunch of Cubs for my team. After I started my franchise I manually added some of the players SCEA but then I figured the heck with it and just rolled with what I had.

I'm at the point that even if they completely revamped franchise mode, I really don't think I would buy the next years version if it meant I had to start over.

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[coach422001]

Re: The Beauty of the Carryover Save Feature

I track essentially the same thing you do.

* Final Standings
* All Stars for all levels/leagues
* Future's Game Rosters
* Playoffs
* World Series winners
* Award Winners

I tried tracking coaching changes but it is so difficult that I gave up.

I just started tracking things in excel. I track the award winners (regular and post season), WS team winners and series results with opponent. I was going to do coaching but it is a bit pointless since I don't think they influence anything and 90% of the coaches are fictional. The game does show me final records since they introduced the GM mode and I always save the game before moving to off season in case the next version deletes some of those records.

I also began tracking draft picks. In the off season in 17 (don't know about 18) those picks are signed to one year minor league contracts. So each year I have to remember who is a recent pick and make sure they get re-signed, even if their ratings are low. Plus alot of these picks are now being traded in off season so I try to track these for use the following years. I really wish after the draft when the players are not eligible they'd be visible to edit. During the year, you can see if a player was a draft pick in the roster history. if they kept that during the off season I could skip some of this. I do like to edit draftees to real names, but not as deep into as you CB. I do the top 3 picks and then I sign international draftees like international signings in the summer.