The Beauty of the Carryover Save Feature

[Scooter3]

Re: The Beauty of the Carryover Save Feature

the beauty for me is, since I dont get in more than a season in a year, I dont have the problem with playing the same schedule each time. My original Braves startup in Show 14 is still going strong , I'm in the 2018-2019 offseason just waiting for March to get here so I can plug along the 2019 season right along with the real ATL. I only regret Chipper Jones retired before carryovers started. Sometimes I wonder how far I could have pushed him.

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[BeatArmy]

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This thread makes me feel so better about my sports nerdiness. I appreciate it, thanks!

I'm in 2022 with a franchise started in MLB 16. Toronto has gone a total overhaul since then with Aaron Sanchez and Roberto Osuna the only two original MLB players left. Won 2 WS and have had my first non-playoff season in any sports game.

I still have stat tracking from TSB seasons (took every team through a season 7 times) but for this I just create a new save and carry it over so there are 14 PS4 saves from 16-22, one at the end of the regular season and one at the end of the playoffs.

[KBLover]

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For those that have utilized this feature over the years, share your stories. Tell us what is happening in your virtual universe.

I can't believe I didn't post here. I liked the OP .... I will blame sunspots.


Anyway, my franchise is currently in year 17 with the Marlins (started in 2015 with MLB14).

For the first few years, it was pretty much like irl baseball, as expected.

Then the irl prospects (I used OSM2 rosters) started peaking and fictionals started making noise.

It was at this time that Byron Buxton became the best player in baseball by far. He was better than Trout, Harper, whoever else. 90's in pretty much every single rating and the stats to go with it.

He left the Twins and signed with the Tigers where he played his career.

At the time, an unknown "slow developing" prospect named Bo Winter was picked up in a trade by the Marlins. Meanwhile, a gamble in Damian Boeve, whom the Marlins selected with the #2 overall pick in 2016, paid off when he suddenly jumped from 70 to 95 velocity rating. Then the next year, his movement took off and he was in the majors.

Boeve took the league by storm the way Buxton did. The new young hitter and pitcher kings were crowned.

After that, an influx of pitching arrived in the league and offense plummeted league-wide. 3.50 team ERA was below average (i.e. in the bottom half of the league). There was also some kind of financial crisis as several top-tier players went unsigned. Ace-level players actually walked from the game because they couldn't find work. Literally, no team could afford their salary.

Perhaps it was collusion by the owners, agents getting too ballsy, or a collapse in the MLB economy...whatever it was, it was real. Prospects were gold and pitching dominated.

This was part of why Boeve had a 3-year stretch where he went 90-4 and the highest ERA he posted was 1.90. Buxton, for his part, was a perennial triple crown threat.

Bo Winter? He was coming up and arrived at the majors. Cocky as hell, he challenged Buxton and declared himself the best centerfielder in baseball. For years, the two dueled as the top two outfielders. Winter won (eventually) because he was younger, but statwise at the peak...they were similar.

Now there's a new king of the mound, Charlie Sharpe for the Cubs. Another unheralded prospect and now he's posting the insane ERAs. King of the plate? Dominic Wellman of the Nationals. He's made fans in Washington go "Bryce Who?"

Through it all, the Marlins are usually strong contenders, thanks to their pitching tradition mostly. The Dodgers, Royals (!), and Red Sox are also frequent contenders with both the Red Sox and Yankees poaching ex-Marlins talent last offseason in their usual arms race. Red Sox signed 2B Mark Morrow and the Yankees are like "okay, we'll sign a top-tier SS in the game, Jay Craft".

Meanwhile, the Dodgers picked up Arturo Gonzalez the season before....and beat his former team. He hit a 3-run triple to send the Marlins home in last year's NLCS.

Boeve is trying to return to his form in what's sure to be a Hall of Fame career. Stan Brito is trying to be the new king of the bat but Wellman is just a force. The NL East is becoming a nasty place to go through.

One thing that has endured for a decade...catchers are basically extinct. There's so few that are even decent, let alone above average. Some teams are hording catchers - even to the point of having 9 or 10 within the organization.

[SFNiners816]

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Well, Im pretty much full bore back into my franchise in anticipation of 19. Sports wise my two favorite loves have always been the San Francisco 49ers and the Chicago Cubs (I know thats kinda weird but Ive been following both for over 30 years). Ive said it many times but the carryover saves have made the following happen for me:


CUBS
2014 72-90
2015 93-69
2016 101-61 (World Series Winner)
2017 104-58 (World Series Winner)
2018 99-63
2019 94-68
2020 102-60 (World Series Winner)
2021 103-59 (World Series Winner)
2022 110-52 (World Series Winner)
2023 97-65
2024 65-43


Kris Bryant has been my standout and it's been a blast navigating his career. I started mine on MLB 14 with a prospect roster. I couldn't wait for 2015 to call him up so he got about 40 games in 2014 (service time be damned)


2014 .275 ave 12 HR 20 RBI
2015 .264 ave 32 HR 88 RBI
2016 .265 ave 49 HR 130 RBI
2017 .299 ave 30 HR 114 RBI
2018 .292 ave 39 HR 134 RBI
2019 .294 ave 47 HR 138 RBI
2020 .305 ave 57 HR 143 RBI
2021 .330 ave 53 HR 154 RBI
2022 .305 ave 37 HR 125 RBI
2023 .296 ave 46 HR 134 RBI
2024 .301 ave 31 HR 83 RBI (about 108 games in)


Its been a blast and Ive played every game.

[ECUoak]

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I can't believe I didn't post here. I liked the OP .... I will blame sunspots.


Anyway, my franchise is currently in year 17 with the Marlins (started in 2015 with MLB14).

For the first few years, it was pretty much like irl baseball, as expected.

Then the irl prospects (I used OSM2 rosters) started peaking and fictionals started making noise.

It was at this time that Byron Buxton became the best player in baseball by far. He was better than Trout, Harper, whoever else. 90's in pretty much every single rating and the stats to go with it.

He left the Twins and signed with the Tigers where he played his career.

At the time, an unknown "slow developing" prospect named Bo Winter was picked up in a trade by the Marlins. Meanwhile, a gamble in Damian Boeve, whom the Marlins selected with the #2 overall pick in 2016, paid off when he suddenly jumped from 70 to 95 velocity rating. Then the next year, his movement took off and he was in the majors.

Boeve took the league by storm the way Buxton did. The new young hitter and pitcher kings were crowned.

After that, an influx of pitching arrived in the league and offense plummeted league-wide. 3.50 team ERA was below average (i.e. in the bottom half of the league). There was also some kind of financial crisis as several top-tier players went unsigned. Ace-level players actually walked from the game because they couldn't find work. Literally, no team could afford their salary.

Perhaps it was collusion by the owners, agents getting too ballsy, or a collapse in the MLB economy...whatever it was, it was real. Prospects were gold and pitching dominated.

This was part of why Boeve had a 3-year stretch where he went 90-4 and the highest ERA he posted was 1.90. Buxton, for his part, was a perennial triple crown threat.

Bo Winter? He was coming up and arrived at the majors. Cocky as hell, he challenged Buxton and declared himself the best centerfielder in baseball. For years, the two dueled as the top two outfielders. Winter won (eventually) because he was younger, but statwise at the peak...they were similar.

Now there's a new king of the mound, Charlie Sharpe for the Cubs. Another unheralded prospect and now he's posting the insane ERAs. King of the plate? Dominic Wellman of the Nationals. He's made fans in Washington go "Bryce Who?"

Through it all, the Marlins are usually strong contenders, thanks to their pitching tradition mostly. The Dodgers, Royals (!), and Red Sox are also frequent contenders with both the Red Sox and Yankees poaching ex-Marlins talent last offseason in their usual arms race. Red Sox signed 2B Mark Morrow and the Yankees are like "okay, we'll sign a top-tier SS in the game, Jay Craft".

Meanwhile, the Dodgers picked up Arturo Gonzalez the season before....and beat his former team. He hit a 3-run triple to send the Marlins home in last year's NLCS.

Boeve is trying to return to his form in what's sure to be a Hall of Fame career. Stan Brito is trying to be the new king of the bat but Wellman is just a force. The NL East is becoming a nasty place to go through.

One thing that has endured for a decade...catchers are basically extinct. There's so few that are even decent, let alone above average. Some teams are hording catchers - even to the point of having 9 or 10 within the organization.

I was worried about what would happen to catchers. I’m only going into my second season but all draftable catchers are hovering around 50 overall with the highest at 55


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[TheWarmWind]

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So here's my dilemma: I'm in the off season of my 2014 carry over before the 2019 season. I control all 30 teams. I like to get players who in real life moved to new teams onto their teams in the game (Harper, Machado etc.). However by now, i have a boatload of players in the free agent market who are in real life:
-free agents
-retired
- playing in other leagues or internationally
-deceased

trying to figure an equitable way to sign players to teams (most have well below their 90 man limit). At this point of the off season, most players are accepting what the teams offer, so though Chase Headley is the highest ranked 3b, I may not have to shell out alot on a team for a 1 year deal.
I plan on signing the retired/deceased players first, to multi-year deals if possible. Then since guys are playing in other leagues/international, could come back to the MLB, I would do them next, and hold out on real free agents until the final week before the end of off season/start of spring training.

I thought I'd go through each team, based on remaining budget and position needs an have them offer players from each category where there is need a deal, keeping in mind a better player in a different category available. The number could be my best thoughts, first value after getting a 'red' signal for the offer (this is MLB 17 by the way, shows interest in red/yellow/green) or dice roll of some sort. Then move onto the next player categorization.

But I'd be interested in thoughts others have for ways to look at this. It would add an element of surprise to my franchise, where several teams could offer a player a deal and see what happens when the calendar turns. I did this with the trade deadline last year. Be interested to hear what others may do or suggestions you may have.

thanks

A part of me does get the whole need to follow real life, but for the most part I've always been a "it's your fictional universe" kind of guy. I love having things that make my universe unique. So in my totally biased opinion I think you should go for it.

However, another idea would be to edit these players to match notable real life prospects, and assign them to their appropriate teams.

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[TheWarmWind]

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Just had two of my favourite young players go down to long term injuries. I've always loved the fictional players (I've seriously considered starting a purely fictional franchise more than a few times), and while the characters created by SDS can be head scratchers sometimes (I've seen a guy with 96 drag bunting, 23 bunting, 26 speed) I love how unique and flavourful they can be.

So the guys that went down; we have Jarome Mazoule, a young outfielder. His fielding is good but not great, but his hitting and speed are exceptional. He tore the ligament in his finger sliding into second and is out 2 to 3 months. The 1B/LF Julian Montano will take over his spot in the lineup. Mazoule was penciled in as the DH, but the DH bounced around to whoever needed a bit of a rest that day in the heart of my order. It will continue to do so. Montano does represent a downgrade in almost every measurable way, but he is a left handed bat, and is good enough to contribute in the bottom half of my order.

Tommy Reidling went down for 1 to 2 months with a fractured arm he got diving for a foul ball. He had just won a platoon position at third vs right handers after spending most of the season so far as a bench player. He's a defensive dynamo, one of the best I've ever had in fact (his movements and sure handedness, along with his smooth yet powerful throws, remind me a lot of Alex Gorden back when I played him at third), and his bat was really starting to come alive in the second half of May. His platoon partner, Daniel Franco, will take back over full time. Franco started 2020 as one of the hottest players in the league, but his bat has been missing a lot of balls recently. His defense is decent, but nothing to write home about.

I'm 9 days away from the draft, and there is an 18 year old, left handed throwing, switch hitting, 5 tool RF prospect who is already near MLB ready called Steven Haas. I very much doubt I'll get to draft him, but I have a lot of quality pieces I'm eager to trade that I've been hanging on to because I didn't like the return. Come hell or high water, I swear I'll get that guy in my system.

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[coach422001]

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A part of me does get the whole need to follow real life, but for the most part I've always been a "it's your fictional universe" kind of guy. I love having things that make my universe unique. So in my totally biased opinion I think you should go for it.

However, another idea would be to edit these players to match notable real life prospects, and assign them to their appropriate teams.

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Thanks man. There was a time I was editing lower rated free agents to add in some of the international signings. And yeah, it really still is my unique universe as various deadline trades don't happen based on the my league's standings or guys under contract still, and well, the O's and Jays are the last two WS champs.

I started with the real life retired players going team by team to put in bids and of course when real players get signed (Adam Jones, Martin Maldonado) I put those bids in. Its slow but I'm in no hurry. Last night I had a free hour, got from Kansas City and Minnesota then through the AL West. I just got to Atlanta and literally for 0.5 seconds the power in the house dropped out then came right back. All that work for that hour gone! At least the file wasn't corrupted.

[tessl]

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It will be interesting to see what real contracts does to carry over save franchises.

[Councilmann_Jamm]

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It will be interesting to see what real contracts does to carry over save franchises.

I'll probably just stay in sync with whatever the budgets you have going in current season.

If Mike Station was making 15 million in your franchise he's not going to it start having 30 million contract once you load your franchise into TheShow19

Real contracts won't have any effect on carry over saves.

90+ rated players in FA will get the same amount of money.

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[coach422001]

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I'll probably just stay in sync with whatever the budgets you have going in current season.

If Mike Station was making 15 million in your franchise he's not going to it start having 30 million contract once you load your franchise into TheShow19

Real contracts won't have any effect on carry over saves.

90+ rated players in FA will get the same amount of money.

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yeah since you're not getting the new roster and current contracts with a carryover it should not be an impact. Only thing you may see is how they may have tweaked the player contract expectations within your carryover game.

[tessl]

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I'll probably just stay in sync with whatever the budgets you have going in current season.

If Mike Station was making 15 million in your franchise he's not going to it start having 30 million contract once you load your franchise into TheShow19

Real contracts won't have any effect on carry over saves.

90+ rated players in FA will get the same amount of money.

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That's possible but I asked whether the new contracts would be included in carry over saves during the SDS live stream and the reply was yes.

I started my franchise with the Pirates precisely because they have a small, challenging budget situation.

[Councilmann_Jamm]

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That's possible but I asked whether the new contracts would be included in carry over saves during the SDS live stream and the reply was yes.

I started my franchise with the Pirates precisely because they have a small, challenging budget situation.

If that's the case I would never buy TheShow 19 as I set up team payroll at 80% real contracts for 8 hours when started my franchise in TheShow 18.

Not saying you're wrong since I never watched a stream. But that's absolutely idiotic if that's the case.

If we carry over a franchise from TheShow 18 to 19 and real contracts take over our current league contracts.

So if I have AJ Pollack signed for 4 years 50 million in my franchise. He'll switch over to 4 years 88 million when I carry over?

Then if I have a prospect in year 6 making 10 million in arb - does he go back to his current 500K salary.

And looking at Countryboys franchise. He just signed a 37 year old Troy Tulo for 7 million. Will he be rested to 700K like he's making this year.

None of that makes sense and I hope they tested that idea out

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[countryboy]

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That's possible but I asked whether the new contracts would be included in carry over saves during the SDS live stream and the reply was yes.

I started my franchise with the Pirates precisely because they have a small, challenging budget situation.

In regards to carryover saves, real contracts will not take effect until you have completed one season with your carryover save.

Ex: If your carryover save franchise is in year 2020, you will have to complete the 2020 season and then real contract values will take place in 2021.

My guess is that real contract values will only take place on newly negotiated/signed contracts. I don't expect that you'll see existing contracts fluctuate to account for real contract values, but they might.

[coach422001]

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In regards to carryover saves, real contracts will not take effect until you have completed one season with your carryover save.

Ex: If your carryover save franchise is in year 2020, you will have to complete the 2020 season and then real contract values will take place in 2021.

My guess is that real contract values will only take place on newly negotiated/signed contracts. I don't expect that you'll see existing contracts fluctuate to account for real contract values, but they might.

That last part is what I was getting at. I couldn't imagine in a 2014 carryover where Charlie Morton sucks they would suddenly up his salary based on real life. But I could see expectations and salary demands for new or renegotiated contracts more in-line with expectations for real-life players with that skill set.