The Beauty of the Carryover Save Feature

[countryboy]

Re: The Beauty of the Carryover Save Feature

That last part is what I was getting at. I couldn't imagine in a 2014 carryover where Charlie Morton sucks they would suddenly up his salary based on real life. But I could see expectations and salary demands for new or renegotiated contracts more in-line with expectations for real-life players with that skill set.

Agreed.

Councilman Jam mentioned in my franchise I said Tulo to a one year deal for $7M. He's 37 in my franchise. But in my franchise he's been producing, hitting 30 homers last year with a .292 average. He hit over .300 in each of the last 2 seasons. He's rated an 85 at the age of 37. So I truly hope they don't adjust these contract values because in my game/franchise, he's worth the $7M.

[tessl]

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In regards to carryover saves, real contracts will not take effect until you have completed one season with your carryover save.

Ex: If your carryover save franchise is in year 2020, you will have to complete the 2020 season and then real contract values will take place in 2021.

My guess is that real contract values will only take place on newly negotiated/signed contracts. I don't expect that you'll see existing contracts fluctuate to account for real contract values, but they might.

The contracts themselves aren't the issue. The issue is whether team budgets will be correctly calculated. In your example my team will be comprised of players under the old salary system an other players under the new salary system. That seems like a formula for dysfunction when it comes to correctly determining team budgets.

I'll buy 19 just to support the game but I wouldn't be surprised if I continue with my 18 franchise which would be fine because the game on the field plays great in 18.

[zippy2212]

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In regards to carryover saves, real contracts will not take effect until you have completed one season with your carryover save.

Ex: If your carryover save franchise is in year 2020, you will have to complete the 2020 season and then real contract values will take place in 2021.

My guess is that real contract values will only take place on newly negotiated/signed contracts. I don't expect that you'll see existing contracts fluctuate to account for real contract values, but they might.

I've been going back and forth on getting 19. I had just decided I was definitely getting it on release day instead of waiting. But this makes me second guess that, if true.

I'm in the 2021-22 offseason and just signed 32 yr old, 73 OVR Marwin Gonzalez to a 1 yr, 2.6mil deal. Does that mean in year 2 he is going to want 10mil? I sure hope not. I'm fine with a guy rated similar to a real life Harper/Machado wanting 30 mil in FA but that happens in my franchise already.



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[KBLover]

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My guess is that real contract values will only take place on newly negotiated/signed contracts. I don't expect that you'll see existing contracts fluctuate to account for real contract values, but they might.

It's possible, depending on how they do the conversion.

Even if it's just for new contracts, could create very different salaries due to the new system. Top tier might not change much (95+ OVR already make $30 M/yr), but those 70-89 guys, the average to very good types, might be very different. They can be some of the most cost-efficient players on a team, especially for smaller budget teams.

I don't know if there's been any details about how it will actually work in real game play, and, of course, I know nothing, but I can see why there's concern, and honestly, I share it.

I'm fine with a guy rated similar to a real life Harper/Machado wanting 30 mil in FA but that happens in my franchise already.

Same in mine - which is why I'm thinking it will impact the next tier or two lower more than anything else.

[tessl]

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I don't have the game yet. How does the game with new contracts work for carry over saves?

[mb625]

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I can't believe I didn't post here. I liked the OP .... I will blame sunspots.


Anyway, my franchise is currently in year 17 with the Marlins (started in 2015 with MLB14).

For the first few years, it was pretty much like irl baseball, as expected.

Then the irl prospects (I used OSM2 rosters) started peaking and fictionals started making noise.

It was at this time that Byron Buxton became the best player in baseball by far. He was better than Trout, Harper, whoever else. 90's in pretty much every single rating and the stats to go with it.

He left the Twins and signed with the Tigers where he played his career.

At the time, an unknown "slow developing" prospect named Bo Winter was picked up in a trade by the Marlins. Meanwhile, a gamble in Damian Boeve, whom the Marlins selected with the #2 overall pick in 2016, paid off when he suddenly jumped from 70 to 95 velocity rating. Then the next year, his movement took off and he was in the majors.

Boeve took the league by storm the way Buxton did. The new young hitter and pitcher kings were crowned.

After that, an influx of pitching arrived in the league and offense plummeted league-wide. 3.50 team ERA was below average (i.e. in the bottom half of the league). There was also some kind of financial crisis as several top-tier players went unsigned. Ace-level players actually walked from the game because they couldn't find work. Literally, no team could afford their salary.

Perhaps it was collusion by the owners, agents getting too ballsy, or a collapse in the MLB economy...whatever it was, it was real. Prospects were gold and pitching dominated.

This was part of why Boeve had a 3-year stretch where he went 90-4 and the highest ERA he posted was 1.90. Buxton, for his part, was a perennial triple crown threat.

Bo Winter? He was coming up and arrived at the majors. Cocky as hell, he challenged Buxton and declared himself the best centerfielder in baseball. For years, the two dueled as the top two outfielders. Winter won (eventually) because he was younger, but statwise at the peak...they were similar.

Now there's a new king of the mound, Charlie Sharpe for the Cubs. Another unheralded prospect and now he's posting the insane ERAs. King of the plate? Dominic Wellman of the Nationals. He's made fans in Washington go "Bryce Who?"

Through it all, the Marlins are usually strong contenders, thanks to their pitching tradition mostly. The Dodgers, Royals (!), and Red Sox are also frequent contenders with both the Red Sox and Yankees poaching ex-Marlins talent last offseason in their usual arms race. Red Sox signed 2B Mark Morrow and the Yankees are like "okay, we'll sign a top-tier SS in the game, Jay Craft".

Meanwhile, the Dodgers picked up Arturo Gonzalez the season before....and beat his former team. He hit a 3-run triple to send the Marlins home in last year's NLCS.

Boeve is trying to return to his form in what's sure to be a Hall of Fame career. Stan Brito is trying to be the new king of the bat but Wellman is just a force. The NL East is becoming a nasty place to go through.

One thing that has endured for a decade...catchers are basically extinct. There's so few that are even decent, let alone above average. Some teams are hording catchers - even to the point of having 9 or 10 within the organization.

I hate everything about this

[VeganRob]

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This will be my first year trying a carry over save from last year. I’ve never finished a season and recently taken a liking to the quick counts feature and am pretty stoked to continue my franchise. I do have a question and this seems to be an appropriate thread so ask:

Are there any glitches or is anything lost that I should be aware of before committing? After searching some threads I saw folks commenting that some players may be renamed a generic name due to MLBPA lecensing agreements and such.

Also, I did a quick test to see if there was anything that immediately stood out and the one thing I noticed was that at least a few (not all) of previous seasons awards winners were changed and incorrect. Is this a bug or just a glitch we have to deal with?

[ECUoak]

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First time doing a carryover and really enjoy it. About 50 games into my 2019 season in my carryover. I like the updated Muncy, Verdugo and Toles for my Dodgers. I see the franchise lasting for awhile and I normal start a new one every year.


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[countryboy]

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I don't have the game yet. How does the game with new contracts work for carry over saves?

The contracts don’t change when you carryover

The budgets should reflect the real life contract values after first season completed


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[tessl]

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The contracts don’t change when you carryover

The budgets should reflect the real life contract values after first season completed


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So if I signed some guys to team friendly long term contracts in mlbts18 the contract will change to reflect realistic contract value and length after the first season? The budget then expands to reflect the combined value of all the contracts?

[countryboy]

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So if I signed some guys to team friendly long term contracts in mlbts18 the contract will change to reflect realistic contract value and length after the first season? The budget then expands to reflect the combined value of all the contracts?

No contracts will not change only the budgets


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[zippy2212]

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No contracts will not change only the budgets


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In mine the only thing that changed were the yearly numbers. For example, in 18 Bryant's new contract started at 25.7m/yr. and went up each year. The average was the max 31. Now he is making 25.7 this year then goes to straight 31.7 for the rest of it. Overall though the AAV stayed the same for everyone.

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[tessl]

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No contracts will not change only the budgets


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I'm not understanding. Are you saying it is the same as last year?

[countryboy]

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In mine the only thing that changed were the yearly numbers. For example, in 18 Bryant's new contract started at 25.7m/yr. and went up each year. The average was the max 31. Now he is making 25.7 this year then goes to straight 31.7 for the rest of it. Overall though the AAV stayed the same for everyone.

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Oh ok.

I was under the impression that contract values themselves would not change/fluctuate and I didn't notice any in my carryover, but maybe they did change but I didn't notice.

My thought was that contract values would stay the same, but after the first completed season in '19 with a carryover save, then the following season the budgets would fluctuate to reflect real life contract values, and new negotiated contracts would include the real life contracts.

[ML]

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At this point I would have preferred if they just left franchise alone. These real life contracts seem like a mess that nobody put any real effort/testing into...


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