Free Agent Contracts Undervalued

[boxers]

I'm aware that the game has only been out for 7 hours but thought I'd bring up an issue I've seen with real-life contracts -- since it's a new feature.

I simmed 2 seasons and it looks like free agent contracts seem to be using the Show's old contract system. In other words, Boegarts, Sale, Rendon and Mookie are all signing deals worth less than $20M/yr. I recall one of the reviews noticing the same issue with contract extensions (I haven't tested this out).

If this is true, it would defeat the purpose of real life contracts since the in-game economy doesn't reflect the change. I'll try to run a few sims later but hopefully the community can test this out and see what results they get.

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[orioles0615]

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If this is true than I def. won't be buying

[OneTonneBaby]

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Not surprising. Many called out this worry when the real contracts were announced.

massively disappointing if true. Not exactly a lot to ask that any changes the devs make, flows through and works over time. Basic testing.

[TheBigTee]

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Unfortunately this was what I feared would happen. For some reason the development team treated the contracts as if you could just change them last minute to reflect real life and it wouldn’t have any impact on franchise mode.

I was very concerned about this and it is the reason I didn’t preorder for the first time in 10 years. If issues like this aren’t ironed out I will not be buying this year.

It’s especially disappointing because as a community it seems like we know more about how the contracts will impact franchise mode than the development team does.


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[Rocket32]

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Not good. If they didn’t change the budget system at all and just changed the contracts won’t that break franchise? Isn’t that why the community didn’t just edit contracts to match real life on their own? This sounds like the kind of thing EA would do.


This could be a big problem. Was concerned about this as soon as we heard about it but I didn’t think there was seriously a way that the devs wouldn’t be aware of this. I’m sure they made sure there are no major bugs with DD and were careful with testing for that though.

[BigOscar]

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I mean, did no one at SDS even consider simming one season and seeing whether this incredibly predictable problem would arise?

[tabarnes19_SDS]

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I saw that as well as arbitration system using old numbers. Arbitration numbers are lower than previous years contracts.

All of which affects the trade logic.

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[Nikko25]

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Not surprised. They don't care about Franchise any more. They did so little to the mode they didnt even have a stream on it, the ONE improvement they announced doesn't even work. Franchise is untouched. Been the same mode for 5 years now.


I really love the show. Been playing it year round and here reading about it for almost 10 years now. For a game that's fans like to call it the best sports game it doesnt deserve that title anymore. It does not offer a remotely realistic Franchise mode. Contracts have not been accurate EVER. One of the biggest parts of todays game in real life is international scouting, in the show you pick these players in a 7 round draft with all the other prospects. You literally "scout" for 2 months do a little draft and that's it, no other way to get young talented players.


Don't even get me started on the damn "Your team can no longer afford the contract offered to..."

[boxers]

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That sucks. I was really hoping it was just limited to new contracts but hadn't considered the possibility of all the contracts deflating when they come up for renewal.

I saw that as well as arbitration system using old numbers. Arbitration numbers are lower than previous years contracts.

All of which affects the trade logic.

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[adamj2281]

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The FA thing I saw, although it was not as bad as stated, premier players (Gerrit Cole, Bumgarner, etc.) got very solid $20m+ contracts.

The arbitration thing I did not see at all, arbitration raises for my Braves players were pretty high (Folty/Gausman in the $10m range).

Note this is with the default rosters, I have not tried it with a carry-over Franchise file as of yet.

[tabarnes19_SDS]

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When I get home I want to carry over an osfm roster with last year default contracts as well as osfm with real contracts. To demonstrate differences in trade logic.

Of course would love if someone else did it. Unless this is patched the only way I can see any enjoyment in the game would be to edit the contracts back to old system.

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[tabarnes19_SDS]

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The FA thing I saw, although it was not as bad as stated, premier players (Gerrit Cole, Bumgarner, etc.) got very solid $20m+ contracts.



The arbitration thing I did not see at all, arbitration raises for my Braves players were pretty high (Folty/Gausman in the $10m range).



Note this is with the default rosters, I have not tried it with a carry-over Franchise file as of yet.

Those are all old system. It's the tier 2 guys. Didi getting 7 million in free agency. Less than current numbers.

Arbitration numbers should be near 20 mil for some players.

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[boxers]

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I'm in the process of doing a 5 year but wanted to give an update on what I'm seeing (now that I've used the live roster).

- some of the issue is related to front loading/back loading
- the game uses the first year of the contract instead of AAV when announcing a free agent signing
- many players are receiving backloaded contracts (e.g. Mookie was announced as signing a ~$19M/yr contract, when his contract actually climbed each year and ended close to $40M)
- arbitration numbers are better but tabarnes knows better than I do and I would presume a guy like Snell should be receiving more than $7M in arbitration

All in all, it's not a complete trainwreck as some of the issues are related to backloaded contracts and the game not using AAV. Unfortunately, there are still some significant issues. Will post a vid soon with results.

[boxers]

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Now I'm confused...

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Quick calculation tells me those numbers should add up to $279M? This happens with several players.

edit: I'm assuming not only does the game not look AAV but it displays the contract information based the first year of contract multiplied by the length of contract. This leads to contracts being misreported both by AAV and total value.

[BigOscar]

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Now I'm confused...

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Quick calculation tells me those numbers should add up to $279M? This happens with several players.

edit: I'm assuming not only does the game not look AAV but it displays the contract information based the first year of contract multiplied by the length of contract. This leads to contracts being misreported both by AAV and total value.

So it's also the back/front loading of contracts that is a bit broken as well? Terrific