MLB '19 Framerate drops/sutters help and discussion thread

[DukesofHazzard]

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I have a PS4 pro and a Samsung 55 inch SUHD tv from 2017 and I have boost mode turned off on my pro and I'm running the game on balanced and I haven't really seen much framerate drops. I do occasionally but not much.

[Blzer]

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I have a PS4 pro and a Samsung 55 inch SUHD tv from 2017 and I have boost mode turned off on my pro and I'm running the game on balanced and I haven't really seen much framerate drops. I do occasionally but not much.

I was thinking about disabling Boost Mode, but it specifically states it's kind of for the games that weren't optimized for the Pro beforehand, so I don't think it touches these games.

And Balanced mode will likely not be able to see anything in between or might not have any issues. Faster mode does in some stadiums, and pretty much with the dynamic camera as well.

[JasonIsGod]

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The Rockies home park is the worst I've seen for dropped frames during the pitching batting interface. I also noticed some problems in the Astros park as well.

I was playing at Fenway the other night and I started seeing dropped frames when trying to hit at some point but it seems to have corrected itself on it's own as now I'm not seeing it anymore.

Every other park I've played at has been flawless and the only times I'm seeing some dropped frames is when fielding but it's not too bad.

I play on a Pro using the faster option.

[Wrigleyville_16]

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I gotta imagine that with this game being SDS' baby that they'd update an optimize the hell out of it. I think back to what CDPR did with the Witcher 3 on consoles when it came to optimization, and hope SDS will put the work in as well. The frame rate issue has made me think about trading in my slim for a pro just to have it play a little smoother.

[asjdwf21]

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I gotta imagine that with this game being SDS' baby that they'd update an optimize the hell out of it. I think back to what CDPR did with the Witcher 3 on consoles when it came to optimization, and hope SDS will put the work in as well. The frame rate issue has made me think about trading in my slim for a pro just to have it play a little smoother.

The Witcher 3 is a great comparison. I bought it when it came out and quickly returned it due to lag and tiny text. Months later I bought it again and have over 200 hours into it.


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[Samoggi]

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I submitted a report to the show nation and received a “thank you we will let the team know” response.

There is a thread at the show nation talking about this issue with links to this thread. A Victor at SDS replied to post with a thanks we will let the team know.

That is the only response I’ve seen


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I also sent a message and got this response :
Frame Rate Issues
Victor_SDS
Hey there. I know it's been reported before and we are looking into it.

[potsey7]

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Can someone with technical expertise briefly explain what causes frame rate problems in video games and what is done to fix it?

[XxGamerXx]

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Can someone with technical expertise briefly explain what causes frame rate problems in video games and what is done to fix it?

Does not take much to know this, the hardware of the ps4 pro in terms of gpu and cpu is not powerful enough for what the devs are throwing at it

It has more to do with the cpu of the ps4 pro which is real weak as is the one on the xbox one x but slightly better

The GPU on the PRO is good but is bottlenecked by a weak cpu so when you have players and crowds and level of detail that goes into the game that is going to hit the cpu and gpu hard which will make it hard to keep frame rates steady so they drop and that is when you see screen tearing and judder

A customer cannot fix it as we are not on PC where if you have the same issues you can get a gsync monitor that will match the frames being rendered to the monitor refresh rate which makes it a smooth experience, no screen tearing and smooth gameplay even when you are getting frames from 60 to 50 and 45 etc etc

On hdtv the refresh rate on many is just 60hz and those tvs do not have gsycn and free sycn so when frames drop you see judder and screen tearing because having 35 fps on a 60hz panel is not a match

some have higher end tvs that have 120hz refresh rate but same deal applies except you lessen the input lag and smooth out frame times but that only applies to the xbox because sony does not allow 120hz output from ps4 pro

The devs can fix the issue but it will come at a cost of reduced graphics in some capacity to lessen the strain on the gpu and cpu which will make the frame rates steady

[elfdutch]

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Does not take much to know this, the hardware of the ps4 pro in terms of gpu and cpu is not powerful enough for what the devs are throwing at it

It has more to do with the cpu of the ps4 pro which is real weak as is the one on the xbox one x but slightly better

The GPU on the PRO is good but is bottlenecked by a weak cpu so when you have players and crowds and level of detail that goes into the game that is going to hit the cpu and gpu hard which will make it hard to keep frame rates steady so they drop and that is when you see screen tearing and judder

A customer cannot fix it as we are not on PC where if you have the same issues you can get a gsync monitor that will match the frames being rendered to the monitor refresh rate which makes it a smooth experience, no screen tearing and smooth gameplay even when you are getting frames from 60 to 50 and 45 etc etc

On hdtv the refresh rate on many is just 60hz and those tvs do not have gsycn and free sycn so when frames drop you see judder and screen tearing because having 35 fps on a 60hz panel is not a match

some have higher end tvs that have 120hz refresh rate but same deal applies except you lessen the input lag and smooth out frame times but that only applies to the xbox because sony does not allow 120hz output from ps4 pro

The devs can fix the issue but it will come at a cost of reduced graphics in some capacity to lessen the strain on the gpu and cpu which will make the frame rates steady

Interesting read, never knew this as I am by no means an expert.
I always wondered why in general mlb the show games had bad framerate (ok it improved over the years, but was never very good and got worse from 18 to 19).
I mean, the game is produced by Sony, and the console as well so i never understood the issue.

Reading this it seems the console is just not powerfull enough which is what developpers have to deal with.
Still does not make sense that i improved slightly every year up to 18, and is now a bit worse then 18.
Guess they chose other options at the cost of framerate.

[XxGamerXx]

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Interesting read, never knew this as I am by no means an expert.
I always wondered why in general mlb the show games had bad framerate (ok it improved over the years, but was never very good and got worse from 18 to 19).
I mean, the game is produced by Sony, and the console as well so i never understood the issue.

Reading this it seems the console is just not powerfull enough which is what developpers have to deal with.
Still does not make sense that i improved slightly every year up to 18, and is now a bit worse then 18.
Guess they chose other options at the cost of framerate.

You make a great point that since this is a sony exclusive you would think it would be close to perfect in terms of performance.

Usually the FPS issues are tied to multi plat titles as all of Sony exclusives to my recollection have no issues except the show

[Blzer]

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Reading this it seems the console is just not powerfull enough which is what developpers have to deal with.

This is a conundrum, though.

Let's take Rockstar, for example. Red Dead Redemption 2 is a stunningly beautiful game, no one will ever deny that. We simply cannot expect them to obtain 60 FPS with it, either. Now, the original Red Dead Redemption title came out on PS3, and let's just say it played at 30 FPS. So when we hear that RDR 2 was coming out to PS4, what might people think? Superior console, superior framerate, right? Not so fast, though. Superior console also means superior visual fidelity. They did everything they could to make any one single frame look astonishing. This comes at the cost however of still maintaining that 30 FPS.

Some developers would be willing to take the hit in graphics to achieve 60 FPS. The Show brings that out in 1080p with the amount of aliasing you see on screen, or with limited dirt textures or grass blades. Insomniac sadly never gave us a Ratchet & Clank game on PS4 that runs at 60 FPS, even after the Pro came out.

Anyway, I'm rambling here. All I'm saying is that even if PS5 comes out, you'll get a more powerful console, but they'll do other things visually to squeeze every bit out of that power, and it might not result in a higher framerate. Depends on the priorities of the developers at hand.

[XxGamerXx]

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This is a conundrum, though.

Let's take Rockstar, for example. Red Dead Redemption 2 is a stunningly beautiful game, no one will ever deny that. We simply cannot expect them to obtain 60 FPS with it, either. Now, the original Red Dead Redemption title came out on PS3, and let's just say it played at 30 FPS. So when we hear that RDR 2 was coming out to PS4, what might people think? Superior console, superior framerate, right? Not so fast, though. Superior console also means superior visual fidelity. They did everything they could to make any one single frame look astonishing. This comes at the cost however of still maintaining that 30 FPS.

Some developers would be willing to take the hit in graphics to achieve 60 FPS. The Show brings that out in 1080p with the amount of aliasing you see on screen, or with limited dirt textures or grass blades. Insomniac sadly never gave us a Ratchet & Clank game on PS4 that runs at 60 FPS, even after the Pro came out.

Anyway, I'm rambling here. All I'm saying is that even if PS5 comes out, you'll get a more powerful console, but they'll do other things visually to squeeze every bit out of that power, and it might not result in a higher framerate. Depends on the priorities of the developers at hand.

That is all true but the one difference next gen is that they will move to an actual leap in CPU which ps3 xbox 360 to ps4 and xbox one did not do

It kept the same jaguar chip with just an overclock

Next gen the ps5 and xbox x2 will have ryzen cpu which will bring more games to 60fps and I am sure that MLB the Show 21 or 20 depending on when the ps5 comes out will be able to easily hit 1440p 60fps and even on the 4k mode it might come close or even achieve it

[potsey7]

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The devs can fix the issue but it will come at a cost of reduced graphics in some capacity to lessen the strain on the gpu and cpu which will make the frame rates steady

This is what I was interested in. Have played games for years but never knew much about the technical things you guys talk about.

So is a game that is playing at 30 FPS one that is graphically not as good as one playing at 60 FPS? Or am I missing what FPS winds up influencing?

[JasonIsGod]

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The problem is 18 ran a lot better than 19 does and they both look the same.

[Blzer]

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This is what I was interested in. Have played games for years but never knew much about the technical things you guys talk about.

So is a game that is playing at 30 FPS one that is graphically not as good as one playing at 60 FPS? Or am I missing what FPS winds up influencing?

Depends on what you're referring to. First of all, you have to consider the game artists. Some just aren't as good. You also have to consider where they are throwing in all costs.

But a direct comparison would be The Show running in Faster vs. Sharper. The game looks better in Sharper, but runs more fluidly in Faster. So most all other things being equal when it comes to skill of the developers, games running in 30 FPS will look better than games in 60 FPS, but 60 FPS will likely matter more to many gamers out there to the point they'd prefer the graphical hit.

The problem is 18 ran a lot better than 19 does and they both look the same.

I think this year they have "sharpened" the look of the game more, because now there is a lot of aliasing in Faster that isn't present in Balanced or Sharper. They've probably applied more PBR on uniforms or something.