Another Year of the Show Completely Wasted

[KnightTemplar]

Re: Another Year of the Show Completely Wasted

He was never going to actually test.

He's gone from an abstract idea of seeing a "boost" to now having something tangible to blame his "issues" on.

He doesn't want to lose that.

I was just sort of shocked that he plays so little. I believe he said he plays at the highest level, which seems to be difficult to master just playing once a week. I guess we’ll know more later.

By the way, I’ve seen you criticize the game, even not play a new version one year. You’ve also helped a lot of people, as well as BCruise with the game. Appreciate that.

[Padgoi]

Re: Another Year of the Show Completely Wasted

Then how about being mature enough to stop blaming issues on a rating that you have no clue is actually the cause, until you have a chance to test it out?

How about saying, "hey I think that CLUTCH may be causing the issues I'm seeing. When I have time I'm going to test it out."

As for the time, I work full time, have a 4 year old son, and am the primary caretaker for my ailing Dad.

Because once again, as established earlier, before you decided your presence was needed in this thread like it is in every other thread, we established that I'm actually allowed to do that. You see, it's called a forum, a place where we not only praise the game but also air our grievances. And if you'd bothered to read the rest of the damn thread, you'd see that I hadn't thought about clutch being a factor until another, obviously much more productive member of this community, brought it up. You see, sometimes threads like this actually serve a purpose, contrary to the nonsense that you may conjure up in that one trick mind you've got. Sometimes discussions like this actually serve a purpose. So tell me, oh gracious one, how tf would I be able to test something before making the thread if I wasn't aware of it until another member of the community brought it up?

This is why you push people away and will continue to push people away. Anyone has anything negative to say and you quickly jump at them and defend the game. Threads like this actually serve a purpose. This thread actually evolved into a decent conversation until, once again, you decided to grace us with your idiotic insults and barbs. And now it's going downhill again. Why? Because you decided it was in your best interests to tell me not to make threads like this until testing things, ignoring the fact that I wouldn't have even known to test it had this thread not been created. All you care about is pushing and defending the game and now that we have a decent conversation about the clutch rating, you gotta come in and screw it up like you've done countless times before.

All I did was make a thread explaining how I'm upset with the game and how I feel it is inorganic. Then some of the greater members of this community brought up the fact that maybe it was the clutch rating that was causing me to see these comebacks. And the conversation took a great turn. And now you come in and muck it all up by saying I should've tested something I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW ABOUT until I made this thread.

I guess what I'm trying to say is, if you're going to continue screwing threads up, you probably should think twice. Some of us actually ARE trying to make the game better and not blindly defending every damn thing about it.

I've said my piece. Enjoy your day. And I hope your dad is OK.

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[KnightTemplar]

Re: Another Year of the Show Completely Wasted

This is why you push people away and will continue to push people away. Anyone has anything negative to say and you quickly jump at them and defend the game.



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That’s simply not true with him. You’re being very selective in your rant. Why don’t you put him on “ignore”? You could be half way thru a test game by now if your time is so taken up. You said you were done with him. Be done.

[Padgoi]

Re: Another Year of the Show Completely Wasted

That’s simply not true with him. You’re being very selective in your rant. Why don’t you put him on “ignore”? You could be half way thru a test game by now if your time is so taken up. You said you were done with him. Be done.

Good idea actually. Thanks. It's been done.
Also, can't play now, not home.

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[KnightTemplar]

Re: Another Year of the Show Completely Wasted

Good idea actually. Thanks. It's been done.
Also, can't play now, not home.

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I actually wasn’t trying to help you, so no thanks needed. Some things are self evident.

[Padgoi]

Re: Another Year of the Show Completely Wasted

I actually wasn’t trying to help you, so no thanks needed. Some things are self evident.

I wasn't actually trying to be nice to you, so no reply needed. Some things really are self evident.

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[Councilmann_Jamm]

Re: Another Year of the Show Completely Wasted

For what it's worth this is how I use clutch ratings for both batter and pitcher

50 - MLB
45 - Triple- A / Top 50 prospect
40 - Rest of minor league players


Never feel cheated in any game! Other than playing in Camden Yards....

[kehlis]

Re: Another Year of the Show Completely Wasted

What the hell happened? We went from a crappy conversation to a somewhat productive conversation back to **** for absolutely no reason other than ego.

He was never going to actually test.

Because once again, as established earlier, before you decided your presence was needed in this thread

Can you two each just each ignore each other?

Good god. I haven't seen crap like this since I was working with elementary age kids on a daily basis.

That’s simply not true with him. You’re being very selective in your rant. Why don’t you put him on “ignore”? You could be half way thru a test game by now if your time is so taken up. You said you were done with him. Be done.

This is just as bad. Not sure if you think you are above the rules or what.

The ignore feature works for you just as it does for others. I'll expect you to not respond to any of his posts in the future since you'll be taking your advice and putting him on ignore.



Caulfield went to the trouble to put together rosters to test this.

This thread will remain open for those who want to discuss that, and that only.

If you want to discuss other things, or troll others, I can assure you, it won't happen in this thread.

Big thanks to Caulfield for putting the work into getting test rosters out.

[No.27]

Re: Another Year of the Show Completely Wasted

In the vault for anyone who enjoys Play Now test exhibition contests: a default roster with Yankees & Orioles with all 40-man players clutch at zero. Roster Name - Clutch Testing. User Name - Caulfield 1982.

while rerating a players clutch, it can in the extreme change a players Overall by no more than 4 points. that may not be significant but clutch definitely plays a bigger part in the Show than may be thought. The Yankees on default roster were the #1 ranked team. Lower their clutch to zero, they are now ranked #10. I think that is significant. I think clutch may impact a game as much if not more than bunting, drag bunting, baserunning ability and baserunning aggressiveness. And while those aspects are greatly diminished in today's IRL MLB, in the Show they can still be used as powerful weaponry. It also looks like having everybody's clutch rated the same will favor hitting as clutch is a bigger part of a pitchers game than a batters. At least from my certain point of view.

I agree with the above statement and going back toward the hitters favour may well exacerbate the “problem”. Which I must say I’m not seeing using Bacons roster and his considered approach to the clutch rating. For anyone who gives Caulfields zero clutch trial a go and is not happy with the results Cycloniac in his True Sim Roster did a really good job of moderating the clutch rating for every player. The majority of players are rated around 50/60 with superstars and the like rated a touch higher. Might be good to do some testing in Franchise mode with his set.

https://forums.operationsports.com/f...-mlb-19-a.html

[BlackBetty15]

Re: Another Year of the Show Completely Wasted

You understand that "saber metrics* genius'" are the one's who claim clutch doesn't exist right?

Yea and I would say they are wrong. The numbers and statistical analysis they use help to predict an outcome. Now for arguments sake, you can operate like this and play matchups to hopefully play in your favor l. Now...clutch...Josh Hamilton...World Series against the Cardinals...Go ahead homerun against a lefty WITH a ruptured hernia. The percentages were waaaaay against him as a lefty was on the mound, he was hitting like crap all series, and yet...game on the line he came through just as he seems to always. Nelson Cruz the same way. It has to do with calm under chaos and I commend SCEA for trying to capture this. However it runs into the same crap EA does...to many ratings working against each other and therefore messing things up. It’s as simple as awareness, eye, and maybe ditch the “clutch” rating and have a rattle effect like NCAA did. That’s what clutch is...feeling like you been there a thousand times and doing what you have done over a million times. Not letting the moment rattle you. Again, my .02

[kehlis]

Re: Another Year of the Show Completely Wasted

Yea and I would say they are wrong.

That's cool, I didn't argue differently.

Me: I know nothing about saber metrics but I don't believe in clutch.

You: (Paraphrasing) "You don't need to be a saber metric genius to know that clutch exists."

Me: Telling you that the Saber Metrics folks are the ones saying clutch doesn't exist....


(Jayhawker posted some stories that actually illustrated that if you cared to read them)


I was only responding to your response to me, nothing more.

[BlackBetty15]

Re: Another Year of the Show Completely Wasted

That's cool, I didn't argue differently.

Me: I know nothing about saber metrics but I don't believe in clutch.

You: (Paraphrasing) "You don't need to be a saber metric genius to know that clutch exists."

Me: Telling you that the Saber Metrics folks are the ones saying clutch doesn't exist....


(Jayhawker posted some stories that actually illustrated that if you cared to read them)


I was only responding to your response to me, nothing more.

Oh I gotcha man. I come in peace lol I don’t get emotional over things I can’t control and sports games are just that. I applaud the attempt but they would have to serious strip away layers to get what they want. Sometimes I wish I could just have a 1 hour conference call with leads to just present the ratings mess they create within their own realm, or maybe I learn something? Who knows man...I am excited for the Xbox reveal in two years. Wonder if they will strip this game down and rebuild or literally follow maddens exact path.

[thekidisback]

Re: Another Year of the Show Completely Wasted

I only read up to page 11 in this thread but regarding the clutch rating, couldn't you just edit every single player to have zero clutch? Wouldn't that solve this so-called come back code boost whatever issue?

[coach422001]

Re: Another Year of the Show Completely Wasted

I only read up to page 11 in this thread but regarding the clutch rating, couldn't you just edit every single player to have zero clutch? Wouldn't that solve this so-called come back code boost whatever issue?

a few pages back from here Caulfield indicated he posted two rosters with clutch ratings all zeroed for people to test with.

[Neil33]

Re: Another Year of the Show Completely Wasted

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Absolutely correct. And again The Show is also how you approach the game. My approach is quite different than Padgoi’s. It’s apples to oranges.

Don’t get me wrong either. The game is not perfect and I would like to see continued refinement. But I don’t share the same opinion of the game as some that it is some horrible experience or that patches ruined the game.

Quite the opposite for me. MLB 19 is easily the greatest console baseball game I have ever played. I have not stopped playing since the game dropped.

Ditto! I cannot stop playing it this year.