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  • tessl
    All Star
    • Apr 2007
    • 5685

    #61
    Re: MLB The Show 20: Confirmation That Real Minor Leaguers are Coming?

    My guess is real minor league players will not be in the game but the number of minor league affiliates will expand.

    The reason I say that is Reggie Stocker. Reggie Stocker existed because Barry Bonds wasn't in the players union. Minor league players are under contract but are not in the players union.

    This will be a nice addition but 90% of minor league player never make it to the majors so the vast majority of those new players will be just filler for the minor league squad. I'm guessing the June draft will also be expanded beyond the current 7 rounds.

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    • BigOscar
      MVP
      • May 2016
      • 2971

      #62
      Re: MLB The Show 20: Confirmation That Real Minor Leaguers are Coming?

      Originally posted by TheDarkKnightRises
      Wait so are we getting full minors this year? I thought they would never do that.
      It's a bit unclear at the moment as we obviously can't actually have the full minors (there are far, far too many minor league affiliates to actually put them all on a console game) so it really is going to depend on what they've decided to mean by full minors.

      Could be they've got the licencing for minor league players, could mean they've added the Single A clubs, could mean something else. Guess we'll find out

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      • Caulfield
        Hall Of Fame
        • Apr 2011
        • 10986

        #63
        Re: MLB The Show 20: Confirmation That Real Minor Leaguers are Coming?

        so if the minor leaguers are all real in 20, OSFM, or whatever it's going by these days, should become OSAM (Alternative Minors) lol
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        • tessl
          All Star
          • Apr 2007
          • 5685

          #64
          Re: MLB The Show 20: Confirmation That Real Minor Leaguers are Coming?

          Originally posted by Caulfield
          so if the minor leaguers are all real in 20, OSFM, or whatever it's going by these days, should become OSAM (Alternative Minors) lol
          You are a long time player of the game. I'm sure you remember Reggie Stocker. Unless the issue of non-union members being unable to be in the game has been resolved I don't see "real" minor league players being in the game. If they were in the game attributes for most of them would be a wild guess.

          I think we get more minor league affiliates with generated fictional players - and that's fine with me.

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          • Caulfield
            Hall Of Fame
            • Apr 2011
            • 10986

            #65
            Re: MLB The Show 20: Confirmation That Real Minor Leaguers are Coming?

            Originally posted by tessl
            You are a long time player of the game. I'm sure you remember Reggie Stocker. Unless the issue of non-union members being unable to be in the game has been resolved I don't see "real" minor league players being in the game. If they were in the game attributes for most of them would be a wild guess.

            I think we get more minor league affiliates with generated fictional players - and that's fine with me.
            oh yes, definitely remember Stocker. infinitely better teammate than Bonds. its possible High A and Low A will be playable now, but with MLB wanting to kill off short-season teams, I dont see SDS bothering to unnecessarily add something that is terminal or could be mute in a couple years. and I believe it would be a hella lot easier for Sony to get minor leaguers than say, EA to get a contract with NCAA player. might even be as simple as basic legal language addded to standard minor leaguer contracts. that could be something MLB took care of for Sony in exchange for Sony being willing to drop the Show from being a PlayStation exclusive. I dont suggest it would be easy, just plausible.
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            • OneTonneBaby
              Rookie
              • Apr 2012
              • 170

              #66
              Re: MLB The Show 20: Confirmation That Real Minor Leaguers are Coming?

              Aside from sweeping Franchise changes (not going to happen this year), this would be the only thing that would make me 100% buy it. It would be huge to be able to play from day one/get accurate roster updates, etc...

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              • Mercury112491
                All Star
                • Mar 2007
                • 7426

                #67
                Re: MLB The Show 20: Confirmation That Real Minor Leaguers are Coming?

                Originally posted by Jerze2387
                Or they could just throw them all in DD to promote more stub spending instead of 12 different versions of each legend.



                Legends would just have 1 signature, the rest would be minor leaguers and major leaguers


                I just wish they’d depict the legends realistically. Like you know yhere will be a 99 overall Sheffield. I don’t want a 99 Sheff. I wanna play with Sheff the way he actually played. It’s like they have it in their head thag legends need to be better than every modern day player which is so stupid. There shouldn’t be 50 players better than Mike Trout in the game. Give me realistic legends PLEASE


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                • kehlis
                  Moderator
                  • Jul 2008
                  • 27738

                  #68
                  Re: MLB The Show 20: Confirmation That Real Minor Leaguers are Coming?

                  Originally posted by tessl
                  You are a long time player of the game. I'm sure you remember Reggie Stocker. Unless the issue of non-union members being unable to be in the game has been resolved I don't see "real" minor league players being in the game. If they were in the game attributes for most of them would be a wild guess.



                  I think we get more minor league affiliates with generated fictional players - and that's fine with me.

                  It’s never been an “issue.”

                  The likeness of MLB players being used has always been collectively bargained with the MLBPA.

                  Bonds, wasn’t part of the union (as you mentioned) but that isn’t why he wasn’t in the game. Had companies wanted to individually negotiate with him to be in the game, they could have.


                  Sony could easily have just found a way to collectively bargain with MiLB players.

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                  • MetsFan16
                    MVP
                    • Nov 2011
                    • 1416

                    #69
                    Re: MLB The Show 20: Confirmation That Real Minor Leaguers are Coming?

                    Originally posted by Culture Rot
                    OSFM will still be needed, regardless.


                    I think OSFM will be for equipment and stances. There’s no chance SCEA would go through film/pics to get accurate equipment and stances like OSFM does
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                    • tessl
                      All Star
                      • Apr 2007
                      • 5685

                      #70
                      Re: MLB The Show 20: Confirmation That Real Minor Leaguers are Coming?

                      Originally posted by Caulfield
                      oh yes, definitely remember Stocker. infinitely better teammate than Bonds. its possible High A and Low A will be playable now, but with MLB wanting to kill off short-season teams, I dont see SDS bothering to unnecessarily add something that is terminal or could be mute in a couple years. and I believe it would be a hella lot easier for Sony to get minor leaguers than say, EA to get a contract with NCAA player. might even be as simple as basic legal language addded to standard minor leaguer contracts. that could be something MLB took care of for Sony in exchange for Sony being willing to drop the Show from being a PlayStation exclusive. I dont suggest it would be easy, just plausible.
                      True - and on the topic of the Show no longer being a playstation exclusive I understand the profit motive but spreading developers over multiple platforms has the potential - I would say certainty - of less attention to improvements and bug fixing. Spreading developers too thin over multiple platforms can't be good for the game.

                      The reason the show has been the best baseball game ever is because they devoted 100% of their time to one game on one platform.

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                      • tessl
                        All Star
                        • Apr 2007
                        • 5685

                        #71
                        Re: MLB The Show 20: Confirmation That Real Minor Leaguers are Coming?

                        Originally posted by kehlis
                        It’s never been an “issue.”

                        The likeness of MLB players being used has always been collectively bargained with the MLBPA.

                        Bonds, wasn’t part of the union (as you mentioned) but that isn’t why he wasn’t in the game. Had companies wanted to individually negotiate with him to be in the game, they could have.


                        Sony could easily have just found a way to collectively bargain with MiLB players.
                        I disagree. Nobody will touch anything related to the NCAA for the same reason - there is no entity to bargain with. It wasn't just Bonds. Prior to the existence of the Show the players who crossed the picket line in 1995 were banned by the union from joining and were in the games at that time with fictional names.

                        https://mlb.nbcsports.com/2019/08/12...ine-in-1995/in High Heat Major League Baseball 1999, Braves reliever Kerry Lightenberg was dubbed “Terry Lyte.” Other code names included “Ron Mayday” (Ron Mahay), and “Shawn Spengler” (Shane Spencer).

                        The game I religiously played back in the day was MVP Baseball 2005. In that game, Barry Bonds — who was not part of the MLBPA for reasons unrelated to the work stoppage — went undercover as “Jon Dowd.” Lightenberg was dubbed “Scott Venema.” Mahay was “Neale Genereaux,” and Spencer was “Larry Reed.” Among other notables, Cory Lidle was “Alan Hughes,” Lou Merloni was “Paul Cruz,” and Damian Miller was “Roger Chamberlain.”

                        Minor league players are not a member of any collective bargaining entity and I suspect the owners would fight any attempt to collectively bargain with milb and it could cost San Diego Studios their license if they attempt to do so without the approval of MLB.

                        We will find out shortly when more details are released but I expect more minor league teams and players with the same generated fictional players. I'm fine with that because beginning in June of the first year of a franchise you start drafting generated fictional players to populate you minor leagues.
                        Last edited by tessl; 01-28-2020, 03:10 PM.

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                        • Therebelyell626
                          MVP
                          • Mar 2018
                          • 2892

                          #72
                          Re: MLB The Show 20: Confirmation That Real Minor Leaguers are Coming?

                          Originally posted by tessl
                          I disagree. Nobody will touch anything related to the NCAA for the same reason - there is no entity to bargain with. It wasn't just Bonds. Prior to the existence of the Show the players who crossed the picket line in 1995 were banned by the union from joining and were in the games at that time with fictional names.

                          https://mlb.nbcsports.com/2019/08/12...ine-in-1995/in High Heat Major League Baseball 1999, Braves reliever Kerry Lightenberg was dubbed “Terry Lyte.” Other code names included “Ron Mayday” (Ron Mahay), and “Shawn Spengler” (Shane Spencer).

                          The game I religiously played back in the day was MVP Baseball 2005. In that game, Barry Bonds — who was not part of the MLBPA for reasons unrelated to the work stoppage — went undercover as “Jon Dowd.” Lightenberg was dubbed “Scott Venema.” Mahay was “Neale Genereaux,” and Spencer was “Larry Reed.” Among other notables, Cory Lidle was “Alan Hughes,” Lou Merloni was “Paul Cruz,” and Damian Miller was “Roger Chamberlain.”

                          Minor league players are not a member of any collective bargaining entity and I suspect the owners would fight any attempt to collectively bargain with milb and it could cost San Diego Studios their license if they attempt to do so without the approval of MLB.

                          We will find out shortly when more details are released but I expect more minor league teams and players with the same generated fictional players. I'm fine with that because beginning in June of the first year of a franchise you start drafting generated fictional players to populate you minor leagues.
                          I have to respectfully disagree with you here. I get your point about the NCAA as that is a completely different beast. NCAA players are considered amateurs. Players drafted or signed to professional baseball teams are usually handed a signing bonus, and albeit small are technically paid a salary to play baseball. This by the very definition makes then “professional” athletes.

                          Also, SDS could have easily negotiate rights to real minor leaguers either directly through minor league baseball, or through the players themselves. EA sports NHL is a perfect example. They have real players from the CHL, SHL, Liiga, deutche league, chzech league, and Swiss league in their game. Non of the players from these leagues are members of the NHLPA, and in the case of the CHL players are as young as sixteen and not even allowed to technically sign a professional contract. Their parents have to. You could say that maybe EA sports negotiates a likeness rights deal with these players but I doubt NHL has the budget to negotiate with these 300 plus players individually. Most of these young players see it as an honor to be in the game and are most likely willing to be included for free.

                          Also, none of us really know the specifics of the new minor league/major league deal. There could very well be a likeness clause to the advantage of the minor league teams.

                          I am not saying real minor leaguers will definitely be in the game. All I’m saying is it is way more plausible them getting the rights to players who are already getting paid to play the professionally, and most definitely is not the same situation as NCAA which see their athletes as amateurs.

                          Edit: sorry for the spelling errors the auto correct on my phone when I use this sight is brutal
                          Last edited by Therebelyell626; 01-28-2020, 04:07 PM.

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                          • tessl
                            All Star
                            • Apr 2007
                            • 5685

                            #73
                            Re: MLB The Show 20: Confirmation That Real Minor Leaguers are Coming?

                            Originally posted by Therebelyell626
                            I have to respectfully disagree with you here. I get your point about the NCAA as that is a completely different beast. NCAA players are considered amateurs. Players drafted or signed to professional baseball teams are usually handed a signing bonus, and albeit small are technically paid a salary to play baseball. This by the very definition makes then “professional” athletes.

                            Also, SDS could have easily negotiate rights to real minor leaguers either directly through minor league baseball, or through the players themselves. EA sports NHL is a perfect example. They have real players from the CHL, SHL, Liiga, deutche league, chzech league, and Swiss league in their game. Non of the players from these leagues are members of the NHLPA, and in the case of the CHL players are as young as sixteen and not even allowed to technically sign a professional contract. Their parents have to. You could say that maybe EA sports negotiates a likeness rights deal with these players but I doubt NHL has the budget to negotiate with these 300 plus players individually. Most of these young players see it as an honor to be in the game and are most likely willing to be included for free.

                            Also, none of us really know the specifics of the new minor league/major league deal. There could very well be a likeness clause to the advantage of the minor league teams.

                            I am not saying real minor leaguers will definitely be in the game. All I’m saying is it is way more plausible them getting the rights to players who are already getting paid to play the professionally, and most definitely is not the same situation as NCAA which see their athletes as amateurs.

                            Edit: sorry for the spelling errors the auto correct on my phone when I use this sight is brutal
                            Interesting theories. If I'm right what do I win?

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                            • Caulfield
                              Hall Of Fame
                              • Apr 2011
                              • 10986

                              #74
                              Re: MLB The Show 20: Confirmation That Real Minor Leaguers are Coming?

                              I hope when the PS5 comes out, SDS goes all out with 30 more minor league parks, those dont even have to be real. wouldn't mind getting a couple extra thi year.
                              Originally posted by tessl
                              Interesting theories. If I'm right what do I win?
                              whatever's behind door #1.
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                              • Therebelyell626
                                MVP
                                • Mar 2018
                                • 2892

                                #75
                                Re: MLB The Show 20: Confirmation That Real Minor Leaguers are Coming?

                                Originally posted by tessl
                                Interesting theories. If I'm right what do I win?
                                Truth is I wouldn’t be surprised if you were right. In fact if I was a betting man I would bet that you are right. I am choosing to be optimistic. I don’t think SDS would have highlighted something as “full minors leagues” just to underwhelm everyone

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