Official MLB 20 the Show Trade Discussion Thread

[Kahler77]

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I was wondering when trading Major league guys for prospects is their a certain percentage of the value you guys use to not go past with the top prospect in the return package.
Or does this vary so much that it comes down to what you think a team would truthfully part with for a player with that players abilities?
Thanks for any and all help

[MrSerendipity]

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I was wondering when trading Major league guys for prospects is their a certain percentage of the value you guys use to not go past with the top prospect in the return package.

Or does this vary so much that it comes down to what you think a team would truthfully part with for a player with that players abilities?

Thanks for any and all help

I tend to work off of what returns make the most sense per team. Using anything to formulaic wouldn’t work as not every prospect makes sense for each team. I like to check out the farm system of the team receiving prospects before I determine anything.

[jkra0512]

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Would it take Jasson Dominguez attached to Stanton to move that contract?

Even with Dominguez attached to Stanton, you're still in the hole value-wise. We're talking a Kris Bryant-type value (WAR vs Contract)and then some.

I have Stanton, in his current state, at a -55.2 value and Dominguez comes in at 33 being the 54th-best prospect in the game, according to MLB.com.

Stanton's contract is a killer, and as MrSerendipity said, the Yankees aren't going to attach a potential generational talent to a trade to get out under a bad contract.

From Bard's calculations and from a realism standpoint, there's no realistic trade involving Stanton right now.

[bryanm1982]

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I am wanting to start a franchise with the Cardinals. Wanting Arenado but that would make the Cardinals line up RH heavy. Looking to do a 3 way deal with the Rockies and Braves. I got the numbers to work out but since Arenado is 28 value the generator so the generator wanted me the Rockies to give up more. I was only going to have them give up Arenado.

Braves receive:
Arenado from Rockies 28.8
Esteves from Rockies 11.5
Freeland from Rockies 16.9
Oberg from Rockies 13.8
Ponce De Leon from Cardinals 6.8
Giving up: 77.8
Receiving: 79.1
Difference: 1.3

Cardinals receive:
Austin Riley from Braves 33.7
Drew Waters from Braves 46.8
Mark Markakis from Braves -1.4
Giving up: 79.1
Receiving: 78.0
Difference: -1.1

Rockies receive:
Gorman from Cardinals 35.1
Liberator from Cardinals 29.8
Knizner from Cardinals 6.3
Giving up: 71.2
Receiving: 71.0
Difference: -0.2

Braves reasoning: They get their star 3B for the future with no player opt out. They receive some bullpen help and Freeland can stand for a change of scenery. Maybe he can make the rotation. I could also do the deal without Freeland, Oberg, Esteves but the numbers wouldn’t work. But I’d be okay with the Rockies getting more for Arenado.

Cardinals reasoning: They get their potential 3B now instead of waiting for Norman. Riley can platoon with Carpenter at 3B and fill in the outfield. They get Waters to be their outfielder of the future to replace Fowler. That way Bader can be a platoon with O’Neill or Lane. Markakis would be a needed left handed bat on the bench.

Rockies reasoning: They get out of the long term contract of Arenado who is not happy in Denver. They get their catcher, a future starter and their 3B of their future.

So what do you think of this trade? This deal probably would be cleaner with Waters not going to St. Louis.

[whit3142]

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Is there anything worthwhile that I can get for Seager or Gordon to aid in this Seattle rebuild?

[kenp86]

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I am wanting to start a franchise with the Cardinals. Wanting Arenado but that would make the Cardinals line up RH heavy. Looking to do a 3 way deal with the Rockies and Braves. I got the numbers to work out but since Arenado is 28 value the generator so the generator wanted me the Rockies to give up more. I was only going to have them give up Arenado.

Braves receive:
Arenado from Rockies 28.8
Esteves from Rockies 11.5
Freeland from Rockies 16.9
Oberg from Rockies 13.8
Ponce De Leon from Cardinals 6.8
Giving up: 77.8
Receiving: 79.1
Difference: 1.3

Cardinals receive:
Austin Riley from Braves 33.7
Drew Waters from Braves 46.8
Mark Markakis from Braves -1.4
Giving up: 79.1
Receiving: 78.0
Difference: -1.1

Rockies receive:
Gorman from Cardinals 35.1
Liberator from Cardinals 29.8
Knizner from Cardinals 6.3
Giving up: 71.2
Receiving: 71.0
Difference: -0.2

Braves reasoning: They get their star 3B for the future with no player opt out. They receive some bullpen help and Freeland can stand for a change of scenery. Maybe he can make the rotation. I could also do the deal without Freeland, Oberg, Esteves but the numbers wouldn’t work. But I’d be okay with the Rockies getting more for Arenado.

Cardinals reasoning: They get their potential 3B now instead of waiting for Norman. Riley can platoon with Carpenter at 3B and fill in the outfield. They get Waters to be their outfielder of the future to replace Fowler. That way Bader can be a platoon with O’Neill or Lane. Markakis would be a needed left handed bat on the bench.

Rockies reasoning: They get out of the long term contract of Arenado who is not happy in Denver. They get their catcher, a future starter and their 3B of their future.

So what do you think of this trade? This deal probably would be cleaner with Waters not going to St. Louis.

that makes zero sense for Colorado and get the worst package out of the 3 teams for giving up the beat player in the deal

[jkra0512]

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Is there anything worthwhile that I can get for Seager or Gordon to aid in this Seattle rebuild?

Both don't have a whole lot of value due to their contracts.

Gordon comes to 9.2 WAR value, but he's owed $13.8M with a club option for $14M in 2021. This knocks him into negative territory (-4.6). He's age 31 and his best asset (his legs) are only going to get worse from here on out coupled with his dwindling on-base numbers.

Seager comes to a 19.1 WAR value, but he's owed $38M over the next two years (club option for $15M in his age-34 season in 2022). He carries basically no value (0.2 value). You might find a 3B needy team at the deadline and unload him because of his pop from the left side and average defense.

You'll most likely need to attach a prospect to get any sort of value, but that kind of defeats the purpose of a rebuild. What position(s) are you looking for?

[bryanm1982]

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What if the Rockies give the Braves Arenado and the Rockies get Gorman, Liberatore, and Knizner. Cardinals get Riley and Waters.

[kenp86]

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What if the Rockies give the Braves Arenado and the Rockies get Gorman, Liberatore, and Knizner. Cardinals get Riley and Waters.

still a no go for me. Still giving up the beat player in the trade and not getting the better package of players. Wht wouldnt Colorado just trade Arenado to Atlanta for Riley, Pache/Waters and a top pitching prospect? Better than the return in your trade. Or trade him to St.Louis for Gorman, Carlson +

[MarkVI]

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I'm looking to bolster the Orioles farm system by making a move similar to the Giants trade for Zack Cozart and Will Wilson. For those who are unfamiliar, the Giants essentially traded cash considerations for Zack Cozart (bad contract negative value) and Will Wilson (high draft pick from 2019). Thought it was a cool way to acquire a prospect.

Obviously, I'll have to send at least one player to a team, unlike the Giants, but I thought it would be a creative way to add some talent while taking on a bad contract.

Any ideas? The veteran would need to be in the last year of an expensive contract (maybe 2 years). I was thinking if a team was looking to free up payroll for a trade deadline acquisition it could make some real-world sense. Not sure what current ML teams are close to their payroll budget limits.

[GR5Noles]

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I'm looking to bolster the Orioles farm system by making a move similar to the Giants trade for Zack Cozart and Will Wilson. For those who are unfamiliar, the Giants essentially traded cash considerations for Zack Cozart (bad contract negative value) and Will Wilson (high draft pick from 2019). Thought it was a cool way to acquire a prospect.

Obviously, I'll have to send at least one player to a team, unlike the Giants, but I thought it would be a creative way to add some talent while taking on a bad contract.

Any ideas? The veteran would need to be in the last year of an expensive contract (maybe 2 years). I was thinking if a team was looking to free up payroll for a trade deadline acquisition it could make some real-world sense. Not sure what current ML teams are close to their payroll budget limits.

maybe someone like Jordan Zimmerman? Justin Upton? Shin-Soo Choo?

[kinsmen7]

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I'm looking to bolster the Orioles farm system by making a move similar to the Giants trade for Zack Cozart and Will Wilson. For those who are unfamiliar, the Giants essentially traded cash considerations for Zack Cozart (bad contract negative value) and Will Wilson (high draft pick from 2019). Thought it was a cool way to acquire a prospect.

Obviously, I'll have to send at least one player to a team, unlike the Giants, but I thought it would be a creative way to add some talent while taking on a bad contract.

Any ideas? The veteran would need to be in the last year of an expensive contract (maybe 2 years). I was thinking if a team was looking to free up payroll for a trade deadline acquisition it could make some real-world sense. Not sure what current ML teams are close to their payroll budget limits.

Wil Myers from the Padres is a good option.

I based one around sending Caleb Smith to them to upgrade their rotation, and got back a solid haul for taking Myers contract.

Would you be willing to move John Means?

[MountUrCastle]

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I'm looking to bolster the Orioles farm system by making a move similar to the Giants trade for Zack Cozart and Will Wilson. For those who are unfamiliar, the Giants essentially traded cash considerations for Zack Cozart (bad contract negative value) and Will Wilson (high draft pick from 2019). Thought it was a cool way to acquire a prospect.

Obviously, I'll have to send at least one player to a team, unlike the Giants, but I thought it would be a creative way to add some talent while taking on a bad contract.

Any ideas? The veteran would need to be in the last year of an expensive contract (maybe 2 years). I was thinking if a team was looking to free up payroll for a trade deadline acquisition it could make some real-world sense. Not sure what current ML teams are close to their payroll budget limits.

Mariners Recieve: Chance Sisco
Orioles Recieve: 3B Kyle Seager, SP George Kirby, SP Justin Dunn

While I understand the Mariners are a rebuilding team, Mr Dipoto has shown a willingness to make trades to benefit his team regardless of the situation. The idea behind this being Rodriguez, Kelenic, White et al are close to the MLB to justify a signing in a future free agent class, like a starting pitcher.
The core piece in this is George Kirby, who fills a positional need for the Orioles and doesn't really hurt the Mariners to move.

[kinsmen7]

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Mariners Recieve: Chance Sisco
Orioles Recieve: 3B Kyle Seager, SP George Kirby, SP Justin Dunn

While I understand the Mariners are a rebuilding team, Mr Dipoto has shown a willingness to make trades to benefit his team regardless of the situation. The idea behind this being Rodriguez, Kelenic, White et al are close to the MLB to justify a signing in a future free agent class, like a starting pitcher.
The core piece in this is George Kirby, who fills a positional need for the Orioles and doesn't really hurt the Mariners to move.

This is a pretty big stretch, IMO. Reason number 1 being that the Mariners literally just traded away Narvaez, a 2.2 WAR catcher, and now they're flipping the script to acquire a replacement level guy (Who has some upside)?

The big thing here for me is that, yes, the Mariners would likely love to get out from that contract, but if the idea here is that "Everyone is close, so let's go spend on a pitcher in free agency!", then who the heck replaces the 2.8 WAR 3rd baseman that you're giving up two solid pitching prospects to get rid of?

The M's have shown a willingness multiple times throughout the years to inflate their payroll, and realistically, when these guys are close, they will again. They don't really seem like a team that's going to go out, especially after they've spent the last couple of years amassing prospect capital, and then start trading those prospects to get out of contracts.

[jkra0512]

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This is a pretty big stretch, IMO. Reason number 1 being that the Mariners literally just traded away Narvaez, a 2.2 WAR catcher, and now they're flipping the script to acquire a replacement level guy (Who has some upside)?

The big thing here for me is that, yes, the Mariners would likely love to get out from that contract, but if the idea here is that "Everyone is close, so let's go spend on a pitcher in free agency!", then who the heck replaces the 2.8 WAR 3rd baseman that you're giving up two solid pitching prospects to get rid of?

The M's have shown a willingness multiple times throughout the years to inflate their payroll, and realistically, when these guys are close, they will again. They don't really seem like a team that's going to go out, especially after they've spent the last couple of years amassing prospect capital, and then start trading those prospects to get out of contracts.

Yeah, I agree. The Orioles are making out here for sure, picking up two pitchers hovering around the 100-110 top prospects, plus two seasons of a decent 3B.

This also doesn't really help the Mariners now or in the future. Sisco is OK, but he's not worth the return here even with taking on a bad contract.