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  • MightyMaxxx13
    Rookie
    • Aug 2012
    • 407

    #271
    Re: Official MLB 20 the Show Trade Discussion Thread

    Originally posted by JWDixon120
    Need some help deciding a trade proposal so here’s my background:
    Using RidinRosters... 2020 season nearing end of April

    I’m sitting at 19-6 as Atlanta. Good for 4 games up in the NL East. The Braves are a solid squad this year, and through 25 games my pitching has been superb. My Team ERA is sitting just below the 3.00 mark. Offensively, we started off pretty slow, only scoring over 4 runs in a game once through 10 games. Luckily, we’ve since picked it up.

    The problem lies within the bottom of my lineup. My guys down there have been a little below serviceable level with the exception of a guy or two. I’m looking to upgrade my RF spot as right now I’m platooning Adam Duvall and Ender Inciarte who are doing fine as a platoon. However, I want another guy who can put some runs on the board with one swing.

    Here’s what I’m thinking.. I trade for an OF that has some years of control, and most likely let Ozuna walk this offseason since he’ll be asking for above a Qualifying Offer I’m sure.
    Then by next year I should have an outfield of Acuna, Trade Aquiree, Pache/Waters

    The player I’m looking into most at the moment is Kyle Schwarber. 26 YO, 1 yr/7m contract. Roughly 2 years of control left.

    Being it’s only nearing May, I won’t give player stats thus far since it’s such a small sample size.

    I mocked up a trade on Baseball Trade Values and this is what I got



    I’m thinking I may need to add one more guy in to make it totally fair. Some background on the two guys there look like this :
    Muller: High Velo 22 YO Minors SP Career 3.03 ERA 9.3 K/9 also an outstanding 0.5 HR/9
    Trey Harris: 24 YO Minors OF Career BA. .317/.366 Last year| .876 OPS (Also edited his potential Pre-Franchise from C to a B-)

    Again, I feel like I need one more guy in here to make it a fair deal. I’m thinking maybe Ynoa or Tarnok.

    Using the Player Value formula(if I did it right), Schwarber is sitting at a 9.4M value which I find low I believe.

    Thoughts?
    Clint Frazier could be had from my Yankees I would think ... he’s been subject of trade rumors for what seems like forever, and would have been a multi-year major leaguer by now if the team wasn’t so deep. He still has sky-high potential and is a Georgia native to boot. Would think he’d be cheaper than Schwarber as well.

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    • JWDixon120
      Rookie
      • Jul 2012
      • 802

      #272
      Re: Official MLB 20 the Show Trade Discussion Thread

      Originally posted by MightyMaxxx13
      Clint Frazier could be had from my Yankees I would think ... he’s been subject of trade rumors for what seems like forever, and would have been a multi-year major leaguer by now if the team wasn’t so deep. He still has sky-high potential and is a Georgia native to boot. Would think he’d be cheaper than Schwarber as well.


      It’s intriguing but not necessarily gonna fit the need I’m looking for. I agree he should definitely be playing somewhere, but for my squad, Im looking for a guy who is semi-proven. Also doesn’t help they have him rated so lowly :/.


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      • MightyMaxxx13
        Rookie
        • Aug 2012
        • 407

        #273
        Re: Official MLB 20 the Show Trade Discussion Thread

        Originally posted by JWDixon120
        It’s intriguing but not necessarily gonna fit the need I’m looking for. I agree he should definitely be playing somewhere, but for my squad, Im looking for a guy who is semi-proven. Also doesn’t help they have him rated so lowly :/.


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        Frazier is a tough sell in the NL as well... that defense is rough. The bat will be there though. Any team that isn’t comfortable stashing him in left will DH him.

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        • JWDixon120
          Rookie
          • Jul 2012
          • 802

          #274
          Re: Official MLB 20 the Show Trade Discussion Thread

          Originally posted by MightyMaxxx13
          Frazier is a tough sell in the NL as well... that defense is rough. The bat will be there though. Any team that isn’t comfortable stashing him in left will DH him.


          This is true as well. Really wish they would let you change franchise settings in the off-season. It’d be nice to toggle DH always after this year
          - Franchise Fidelity to Reality Roster out now! (MLB 25)
          - Creator of JWDixon's Franchise Spreadsheet, Contract Tool, Trade Calculator, Lineup Optimizer, (I need a hobby)
          - More coming soon, as always!

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          • movethechains11
            Pro
            • Mar 2012
            • 847

            #275
            Re: Official MLB 20 the Show Trade Discussion Thread

            Originally posted by JWDixon120
            This is true as well. Really wish they would let you change franchise settings in the off-season. It’d be nice to toggle DH always after this year
            I'm with you there. As an NL guy it's something I would like to add in franchise mode as I progress through but I don't want to start it that way. They should take a page out of 2k's book with the proposed rule changes in the offseasons.

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            • Councilmann_Jamm
              Pro
              • Feb 2016
              • 745

              #276
              Re: Official MLB 20 the Show Trade Discussion Thread

              Originally posted by dubplate
              I am using 30 team control and was able to purchase $24 million in funds for the Cubs, that is how it was done.

              Don’t forget, Bryant is a FA after this season in the game. I was already told Stott and Eflin were viable based on the trade calculator and a previous post in this thread. I actually wanted to hold onto Segura since he was hitting well and playing good defense, but I figured the Cubs could use him. Didn’t want them to have to eat all his salary, though, which is why I gave them all that cash.

              If this still seems unfair I’ll happily give them another prospect, but it won’t be Bohm or Howard.
              If you want fair, the thing to do is have the Cubs sign Bryant to a 1 Year deal in 2021 for 21 million, since you have 30-team control therefore give him the 2 years of ARB he has left with the Cubs.

              Simply put the Cubs aren't letting go of Kris Bryant for 1 extra year of Zach Eflin, #3 Spect (Best Piece) and Jean Segura. The Cubs want to build their farm with their trade pieces, Eflin and Segura do not fill that option, neither does taking in money.


              ______________________________________________

              FanGraphs has Bryant next two years WAR at 4.7 and 4.3. Here are his 4 different values using surplus value calculator are:

              Value - $105
              Discounted Value - $72
              Surplus - $66
              Discounted Surplus - $42



              I base my trades on Present Day Value of Surplus which would be $66


              If you want to do the 1 year of Bryant it's $51


              ______________________________________________

              Phillies Top 5 Prospect values

              Howard - $43
              Brohm - $28
              Stott - $10
              Garica - $6
              Morales - $4

              It's not going to be easy to get Kris Bryant..
              Last edited by Councilmann_Jamm; 04-13-2020, 05:02 PM.

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              • JWDixon120
                Rookie
                • Jul 2012
                • 802

                #277
                Re: Official MLB 20 the Show Trade Discussion Thread

                Originally posted by Councilmann_Jamm
                If you want fair, the thing to do is have the Cubs sign Bryant to a 1 Year deal in 2021 for 21 million, since you have 30-team control therefore give him the 2 years of ARB he has left with the Cubs.

                Simply put the Cubs aren't letting go of Kris Bryant for 1 extra year of Zach Eflin, #3 Spect (Best Piece) and Jean Segura. The Cubs want to build their farm with their trade pieces, Eflin and Segura do not fill that option, neither does taking in money.


                FanGraphs has Bryant next two years WAR at 4.7 and 4.3. Here are his 4 different values using surplus value calculator are:

                Value - $105
                Discounted Value - $72
                Surplus - $66
                Discounted Surplus - $42

                I base my trades on Present Day Value of Surplus which would be $66


                If you want to do the 1 year of Bryant it's $51



                Phillies Top 5 Prospect values

                Howard - $43
                Brohm - $28
                Stott - $10
                Garica - $6
                Morales - $4

                It's not going to be easy to get Kris Bryant..


                Yeah I’m gonna backpack on what’s said above. I understand it’s hard to truly judge what’s fair especially when you’re trying to benefit your own team. I think the above advice is most fair/realistic.

                Also councilmann, can you look at my trade from about 3 pages ago? I liked your input on the above trade and so far I’ve only had one opinion.
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                - Creator of JWDixon's Franchise Spreadsheet, Contract Tool, Trade Calculator, Lineup Optimizer, (I need a hobby)
                - More coming soon, as always!

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                • Councilmann_Jamm
                  Pro
                  • Feb 2016
                  • 745

                  #278
                  Re: Official MLB 20 the Show Trade Discussion Thread

                  Originally posted by JWDixon120
                  Need some help deciding a trade proposal so here’s my background:
                  Using RidinRosters... 2020 season nearing end of April

                  I’m sitting at 19-6 as Atlanta. Good for 4 games up in the NL East. The Braves are a solid squad this year, and through 25 games my pitching has been superb. My Team ERA is sitting just below the 3.00 mark. Offensively, we started off pretty slow, only scoring over 4 runs in a game once through 10 games. Luckily, we’ve since picked it up.

                  The problem lies within the bottom of my lineup. My guys down there have been a little below serviceable level with the exception of a guy or two. I’m looking to upgrade my RF spot as right now I’m platooning Adam Duvall and Ender Inciarte who are doing fine as a platoon. However, I want another guy who can put some runs on the board with one swing.

                  Here’s what I’m thinking.. I trade for an OF that has some years of control, and most likely let Ozuna walk this offseason since he’ll be asking for above a Qualifying Offer I’m sure.
                  Then by next year I should have an outfield of Acuna, Trade Aquiree, Pache/Waters

                  The player I’m looking into most at the moment is Kyle Schwarber. 26 YO, 1 yr/7m contract. Roughly 2 years of control left.

                  Being it’s only nearing May, I won’t give player stats thus far since it’s such a small sample size.

                  I mocked up a trade on Baseball Trade Values and this is what I got



                  I’m thinking I may need to add one more guy in to make it totally fair. Some background on the two guys there look like this :
                  Muller: High Velo 22 YO Minors SP Career 3.03 ERA 9.3 K/9 also an outstanding 0.5 HR/9
                  Trey Harris: 24 YO Minors OF Career BA. .317/.366 Last year| .876 OPS (Also edited his potential Pre-Franchise from C to a B-)

                  Again, I feel like I need one more guy in here to make it a fair deal. I’m thinking maybe Ynoa or Tarnok.

                  Using the Player Value formula(if I did it right), Schwarber is sitting at a 9.4M value which I find low I believe.

                  Thoughts?
                  Personally I don't see the Braves needing Schwarber at all. They have Pache and Wilson in the fold.

                  But alas here is my thoughts for a trade for Schwbar

                  FanGraphs avg WAR for 2020 is 2.6, so give or take some regression I made his 2021 WAR at 2.2

                  ______________________________________________

                  Present Day Value - $56
                  Discount Value - $38
                  Present Day Surplus- $39
                  Discounted Surplus - $26


                  ______________________________________________


                  I'd give up these three for Schawber and call it a day

                  Bryse Wilson - $15
                  Williams Conteras - $14
                  Kyle Muller - $4
                  Last edited by Councilmann_Jamm; 04-13-2020, 04:57 PM.

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                  • JWDixon120
                    Rookie
                    • Jul 2012
                    • 802

                    #279
                    Re: Official MLB 20 the Show Trade Discussion Thread

                    Originally posted by Councilmann_Jamm
                    Personally I don't see the Braves needing Schwarber at all. They have Pache and Wilson in the fold.

                    But alas here is my thoughts for a trade for Schwbar

                    FanGraphs avg WAR for 2020 is 2.6, so give or take some regression I made his 2021 WAR at 2.2

                    ______________________________________________

                    Present Day Value - $56
                    Discount Value - $38
                    Present Day Surplus- $39
                    Discounted Surplus - $26


                    ______________________________________________


                    I'd give up these three for Schawber and call it a day

                    Bryse Wilson - $15
                    Williams Conteras - $14
                    Kyle Muller - $4
                    I understand your point about Waters and Pache but they're still a year out and Ozuna will be a FA after this year and I don't have plans to resign him.
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                    • GR5Noles
                      MVP
                      • Aug 2010
                      • 1255

                      #280
                      Re: Official MLB 20 the Show Trade Discussion Thread

                      Originally posted by JWDixon120
                      I understand your point about Waters and Pache but they're still a year out and Ozuna will be a FA after this year and I don't have plans to resign him.
                      Pache is already on the 40-man and could certainly see a call up this season depending on his Triple-A performance. He's already a Gold Glove caliber center fielder, it's just a matter of how well the bat will play at the next level, but in my eyes the production won't be much worse than keeping Inciarte/Markakis in the lineup.

                      And by the time Ozuna hits FA next year, Waters should be ready to take over left field.

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                      • Councilmann_Jamm
                        Pro
                        • Feb 2016
                        • 745

                        #281
                        Re: Official MLB 20 the Show Trade Discussion Thread

                        Originally posted by JWDixon120
                        I understand your point about Waters and Pache but they're still a year out and Ozuna will be a FA after this year and I don't have plans to resign him.
                        It's your franchise do what you please. No misunderstanding at all.

                        I gave up my thoughts for the trade if you wanted to complete it or get additional ideas for yourself.

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                        • dubplate
                          MVP
                          • Dec 2002
                          • 3783

                          #282
                          Re: Official MLB 20 the Show Trade Discussion Thread

                          Originally posted by Councilmann_Jamm
                          If you want fair, the thing to do is have the Cubs sign Bryant to a 1 Year deal in 2021 for 21 million, since you have 30-team control therefore give him the 2 years of ARB he has left with the Cubs.

                          Simply put the Cubs aren't letting go of Kris Bryant for 1 extra year of Zach Eflin, #3 Spect (Best Piece) and Jean Segura. The Cubs want to build their farm with their trade pieces, Eflin and Segura do not fill that option, neither does taking in money.


                          ______________________________________________

                          FanGraphs has Bryant next two years WAR at 4.7 and 4.3. Here are his 4 different values using surplus value calculator are:

                          Value - $105
                          Discounted Value - $72
                          Surplus - $66
                          Discounted Surplus - $42



                          I base my trades on Present Day Value of Surplus which would be $66


                          If you want to do the 1 year of Bryant it's $51


                          ______________________________________________

                          Phillies Top 5 Prospect values

                          Howard - $43
                          Brohm - $28
                          Stott - $10
                          Garica - $6
                          Morales - $4

                          It's not going to be easy to get Kris Bryant..
                          Can you edit contracts during a franchise?

                          Looks like they can’t be edited during a franchise. Guess I’ll have to undo the trade, but the Cubs were given all that money and now there is no way to change that. What a pain in the ***.
                          Last edited by dubplate; 04-13-2020, 07:13 PM.

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                          • alston4659
                            Rookie
                            • Sep 2017
                            • 360

                            #283
                            Re: Official MLB 20 the Show Trade Discussion Thread

                            You can also just do what you want. It is your franchise after all.
                            Originally posted by dubplate
                            Can you edit contracts during a franchise?

                            Looks like they can’t be edited during a franchise. Guess I’ll have to undo the trade, but the Cubs were given all that money and now there is no way to change that. What a pain in the ***.
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                            • dubplate
                              MVP
                              • Dec 2002
                              • 3783

                              #284
                              Re: Official MLB 20 the Show Trade Discussion Thread

                              Well, I certainly don’t want to take advantage of the CPU. I already undid the trade, just can’t undo all the extra money Chicago got. Oh well.

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                              • Miffy23
                                Rookie
                                • Mar 2009
                                • 99

                                #285
                                Re: Official MLB 20 the Show Trade Discussion Thread

                                I am the Expos (rebranded from the Marlins) and I am looking at trading away Miguel Rojas, Matt Kemp, Jordan Yamamoto, Matt Joyce and Jesus Aguilar.

                                I may be inclined to trade Villar and Dickerson as well but would rather not at this point.

                                I am looking at Left handed relievers like:
                                Bos J Taylor 76 ovr
                                Phil J Alvarez 75 ovr
                                Phil R Saurez 74 ovr
                                SD J Castillo 74 ovr
                                TB J Alverado 79 ovr
                                TB C Poche 72 ovr
                                Tex B Martin 72 ovr

                                I would like to upgrade my 1B, RF and add a young starting pitcher. What guys do you think would work?

                                Thanks Nick

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