Official MLB 20 the Show Trade Discussion Thread

[BlueJays09]

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Here's my trade proposal...

Again, please keep in mind I always (as I think any of us should) greatly consider how my franchise is going and how my players are performing. This is definitely not the only factor, but it is undoubtedly a factor. How each team is performing, where they are in the season, how the players are performing, progressing, etc.

CUBS (42-28, first in NL Central)

Receive:

RHP Ken Giles 29-years old, free agent at end of season. 85 Overall rating.
Season stats: 1-3, 8.75 ERA, 26 SO, 21.0 IP, 2.00 WHIP -0.1 WAR (+9.6 WAR for career)

RHP Matt Shoemaker 33-years old, free agent at end of season. 71 Overall rating. He's been used both as a starter and a reliever by the Blue Jays in 2020.
Season stats: 1-3, 6.29 ERA, 48 SO, 68.2 IP, 1.76 WHIP. 0.0 WAR (10.2 WAR for career)

BLUE JAYS (27-41, 4th in AL East)

Receive:

SS Luis Verdugo 19-year old B potential prospect. Currently 51 overall rating.

RHP Tyler Chatwood 30-years old, free agent at end of season. 71 Overall rating.
Season stats: 3-2, 4.40 ERA, 1.38 WHIP, 45 SO, 71.2 IP 0.9 WAR (7.5 WAR for career)

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The big pieces in this trade are Giles and Verdugo. The Blue Jays offload Giles who is having a career worst season for a very young prospect. No teams are going to be giving up big talent for Giles at this point in the season (mid-June) for Giles who is playing horribly. The Jays are getting a possible MLB future shortstop (while giving up very little, in my opinion).

The Cubs are getting a guy that could possibly help them in the pen. Perhaps a change of scenery is just what Giles needs and that's what the Cubs are banking on. He still has very high K/9 potential and high velocity. He won't be the Cubs closer but could be used in a setup role which is exactly what the Cubs are needing.

Chatwood and Shoemaker are used as salary swaps here to make sure the deal goes through. Both are mediocre pitchers.

As always I'm interested in input but I'm ready to make this move today. I'm in a good place right now in my franchise to make this happen as I have a few days off in my season. Let me know what your thoughts are...

I guess as a Jays fan this makes sense if Giles is performing bad and there is no chance at the playoffs. In my chose he’s 10/10 in saves and has only allowed two runs. He’s been dominate and I’m competing. Guess it depends on how your franchise is going.


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[Gagnon39]

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I guess as a Jays fan this makes sense if Giles is performing bad and there is no chance at the playoffs. In my chose he’s 10/10 in saves and has only allowed two runs. He’s been dominate and I’m competing. Guess it depends on how your franchise is going.


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I always appreciate someone's opinion that has knowledge of the team I'm trying to trade with because I strive for as much realism as possible. If the CPU doesn't accept the trade that usually gives me a red flag, and in this case the Jay's weren't taking it. I've spent the better part of the day and I have one now that they'll accept. I just want to see what some of you all think about it before pulling the trigger.

This basically comes down to Giles for a decent Cubs prospect. I'm willing to give up one of just about any of my prospects minus a pitcher and just a few others (Miguel Amaya and Christopher Morel). Other than that, just about anyone is available to make this happen.

I don't mean to flood this thread but I'd really like to have this deal done before my next game. Again, consider as always that they Jays are not doing well at all and that Giles is having the worst year of his career (and is a free agent after next year so he's a rental).

I have to include Chatwood in this deal is seems to offset salary. Here's what the CPU will accept and I'm ready to pull the trigger on it if you guys think it would be acceptable.

CUBS RECEIVE:

RHP Ken Giles and RHP Jacob Waguespack

BLUE JAYS RECEIVE:

RHP Tyler Chatwood and SS Aramis Ademan

Waguespack: 25-years old, B Potential, 61 overall.
Ademan: 21-years old, B Potential, 67 overall.
So obviously Ademan is the more valuable prospect here. Younger, already more talented with a higher overall with the same potential.

The Jays have a slew of young prospects at pitching and it seemed like an area where they could give up one of their decent, but not great pitching prospects who is a bit older. He's 25 and has only pitched in 16 big league games, nothing spectacular. The only knock is Ademan is currently on the IL. He's set to return in 1-2 months from a fractured arm.

[ItsColdOutside]

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Just checking in on the value of a couple of guys I apparently can't play very well with lol, what's the value on Tyler O'Neill and is any deal out there for mikolas? Thanks for the help guys!

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[Gagnon39]

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Rumors are already circulating... haha.



The Cubs are reportedly close to a deal that would bring Blue Jays closer Ken Giles to the North Side. Giles, who is a free agent at the end of the year, has had a difficult season in 2020 but a change of scenery could be just what the doctor ordered for the hard-throwing pitcher. President of baseball operations Theo Epstein did not comment on the subject but multiple sources are reporting a deal could be done as early as today.

The Cubs bullpen has been an area of concern all year and it is not surprising that changes may be in store. Details of the trade were not finalized but could include a starting pitcher as well as a prospect being sent to Toronto in exchange for Giles.

[BlueJays09]

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I always appreciate someone's opinion that has knowledge of the team I'm trying to trade with because I strive for as much realism as possible. If the CPU doesn't accept the trade that usually gives me a red flag, and in this case the Jay's weren't taking it. I've spent the better part of the day and I have one now that they'll accept. I just want to see what some of you all think about it before pulling the trigger.

This basically comes down to Giles for a decent Cubs prospect. I'm willing to give up one of just about any of my prospects minus a pitcher and just a few others (Miguel Amaya and Christopher Morel). Other than that, just about anyone is available to make this happen.

I don't mean to flood this thread but I'd really like to have this deal done before my next game. Again, consider as always that they Jays are not doing well at all and that Giles is having the worst year of his career (and is a free agent after next year so he's a rental).

I have to include Chatwood in this deal is seems to offset salary. Here's what the CPU will accept and I'm ready to pull the trigger on it if you guys think it would be acceptable.

CUBS RECEIVE:

RHP Ken Giles and RHP Jacob Waguespack

BLUE JAYS RECEIVE:

RHP Tyler Chatwood and SS Aramis Ademan

Waguespack: 25-years old, B Potential, 61 overall.
Ademan: 21-years old, B Potential, 67 overall.
So obviously Ademan is the more valuable prospect here. Younger, already more talented with a higher overall with the same potential.

The Jays have a slew of young prospects at pitching and it seemed like an area where they could give up one of their decent, but not great pitching prospects who is a bit older. He's 25 and has only pitched in 16 big league games, nothing spectacular. The only knock is Ademan is currently on the IL. He's set to return in 1-2 months from a fractured arm.

I don’t think adding waguespack makes sense. Giles is 4.1, Ademan is around 3 on the trade calculate. Chatwood is a negative value (somewhere around -6). The Jays have a surplus of middle infielders. With Giles stats this year maybe just do 1-1? Maybe adding Chatwood for salary 2-1?


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[Gagnon39]

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I don’t think adding waguespack makes sense. Giles is 4.1, Ademan is around 3 on the trade calculate. Chatwood is a negative value (somewhere around -6). The Jays have a surplus of middle infielders. With Giles stats this year maybe just do 1-1? Maybe adding Chatwood for salary 2-1?


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What do you mean by 2-1 with adding salary?


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[BlueJays09]

Official MLB 20 the Show Trade Discussion Thread

Meaning Giles for Ademan + Chatwoods contract. Maybe include a lottery pick as well?

Edit: just saw your post on Armours thread. I like adding Almora. Gives it the seal of approval. We get a prospect to flip and two fill in options who play positions of need (SP and OF). I wouldn’t add Waguespack or Shoemaker coming back as we need SP depth.

3-1

Toronto gets: Almora Jr, Adelman, Chatwood
Cubs get Giles

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[Gagnon39]

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Meaning Giles for Ademan + Chatwoods contract. Maybe include a lottery pick as well?

Edit: just saw your post on Armours thread. I like adding Almora. Gives it the seal of approval. We get a prospect to flip and two fill in options who play positions of need (SP and OF). I wouldn’t add Waguespack or Shoemaker coming back as we need SP depth.

3-1

Toronto gets: Almora Jr, Adelman, Chatwood
Cubs get Giles

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If I’m giving Almora, I want the Waguespack. The Jays have a lot of pitching prospects with A and B potential. Giles is having his worst year ever, and I’m not willing to overpay for him.


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[BlueJays09]

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If I’m giving Almora, I want the Waguespack. The Jays have a lot of pitching prospects with A and B potential. Giles is having his worst year ever, and I’m not willing to overpay for him.


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Well according to the trade calculator on the front page you are underpaying with the 3-1. Adding waguespack adds more value to Toronto’s side. It’s a minor detail anyway and it’s your franchise! Enjoy Giles he’s lights out for me


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[Gagnon39]

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Well according to the trade calculator on the front page you are underpaying with the 3-1. Adding waguespack adds more value to Toronto’s side. It’s a minor detail anyway and it’s your franchise! Enjoy Giles he’s lights out for me


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What about Almora Jr., Chatwood and a different prospect, not that shortstop? Maybe an outfield prospect?

[Gagnon39]

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Jose Gutierrez, 21-year old left fielder, B potential and 56 overall rating at the moment.

[BlueJays09]

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What prospect are you thinking? Outfield is definitely more of a need?

Also, maybe you could help me. I am also looking for outfield help. What would the Jays have to give for just Almora. Both the Cubs and Jays are contending so it would have to be a need for need swap. I could move anything except a bullpen arm as that’s a massive weakness for me. You are more knowledgeable on the Cubs so your insight would be appreciated.


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[BlueJays09]

Official MLB 20 the Show Trade Discussion Thread

Jose Gutierrez, 21-year old left fielder, B potential and 56 overall rating at the moment.

I am not sure on him. He’s not on the trade calculator list and I haven’t heard of him so not sure how to value him vs Adelman

Edit: he’s not even a top 30 organizational prospect, so I would say that wouldn’t work for Giles.


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[Gagnon39]

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What prospect are you thinking? Outfield is definitely more of a need?

Also, maybe you could help me. I am also looking for outfield help. What would the Jays have to give for just Almora. Both the Cubs and Jays are contending so it would have to be a need for need swap. I could move anything except a bullpen arm as that’s a massive weakness for me. You are more knowledgeable on the Cubs so your insight would be appreciated.


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Fair enough on Gutierrez. The thing I'm not as well versed in is all of the trade calculations and values. I don't pay a ton of attention to that, but I'm not saying it doesn't hold value. I'm just saying I'm not as knowledgeable of how that works and how it places values on players. The problem I guess I have with it to some degree is that it's solely based on real life statistics, which is cool, but doesn't exactly reflect each of our individual franchises. Either way, like I've said before, this is probably one of my most enjoyed posts every year. I love the back-and-forth and feel as though this is my, "gm talks," prior to any trade.

The Cubs needs are many in regards to prospects. Their farm system is pretty depleted after the past few seasons of trying to compete. They've traded away guys like Eloy Jiminez, Gleyber Torres, Dylan Cease, and many others. So I'd say they're pretty open to any prospects, not just one position. However, pitching especially seems to be an area of need as they've had trouble developing home-grown talent. That's why I'd really like Waguespack in the deal I'm trying to pull. Not the Blue Jays top pitching prospect by any stretch of the imagination, but he's good.

How's Almora doing in your franchise?

[BlueJays09]

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Fair enough on Gutierrez. The thing I'm not as well versed in is all of the trade calculations and values. I don't pay a ton of attention to that, but I'm not saying it doesn't hold value. I'm just saying I'm not as knowledgeable of how that works and how it places values on players. The problem I guess I have with it to some degree is that it's solely based on real life statistics, which is cool, but doesn't exactly reflect each of our individual franchises. Either way, like I've said before, this is probably one of my most enjoyed posts every year. I love the back-and-forth and feel as though this is my, "gm talks," prior to any trade.

The Cubs needs are many in regards to prospects. Their farm system is pretty depleted after the past few seasons of trying to compete. They've traded away guys like Eloy Jiminez, Gleyber Torres, Dylan Cease, and many others. So I'd say they're pretty open to any prospects, not just one position. However, pitching especially seems to be an area of need as they've had trouble developing home-grown talent. That's why I'd really like Waguespack in the deal I'm trying to pull. Not the Blue Jays top pitching prospect by any stretch of the imagination, but he's good.

How's Almora doing in your franchise?

Seeing Almora’s stats in your game then maybe the trade makes sense with Waguespack and Adelman included. I could sign off if the Jays are our of contention.

I’ll post his stats after I finish this game! Waguespack for Almora might be an idea for me. McKinney has surprised me this year, but I’ve lost him and Biggio to injury this game alone! Might go for him as a 4th OF / Platoon starter to McKinney.


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