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  • knucklecutter
    Pro
    • Mar 2020
    • 608

    #121
    Re: What happened?! WAYYY to many HRs.

    Originally posted by BatsareBugs
    Isn't contact swing circle? X is regular swing and square is power swing.
    Yes that's true.
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    • Vercingetirex
      Rookie
      • Jun 2018
      • 250

      #122
      Re: What happened?! WAYYY to many HRs.

      Originally posted by BatsareBugs
      Isn't contact swing circle? X is regular swing and square is power swing.

      Yeah I meant regular swing (X)

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      • Unlucky 13
        MVP
        • Apr 2009
        • 1707

        #123
        Re: What happened?! WAYYY to many HRs.

        Well, the 1.05 update seems to have fixed my problem, at first glance. In my first game after installing the patch, I hit 7 home runs, in 48 degree weather with the wind blowing in. Multiple other deep fly outs. Sliders heavily in my favor. I nearly doubled my HR output for the entire season to that point. The visuals and sounds were all back to where I would expect them to be as well.

        I've bumped down the sliders all one notch toward default and we'll see how it plays the next few games.
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        • Gagnon39
          Windy City Sports Fan
          • Mar 2003
          • 8544

          #124
          Re: What happened?! WAYYY to many HRs.

          Through 18 games I lead the league in home runs with 44. That puts me on pace for 396 homers, shattering last year's record set by the Cleveland Indians. Obviously, a long way to go but I'd go as far to say that an NL team should not hold the all-time team home run record for a season being as how they basically have 8 batters as opposed to 9 through the majority of their games.
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          • tabarnes19_SDS
            Game Designer
            • Feb 2003
            • 3084

            #125
            Re: What happened?! WAYYY to many HRs.

            Originally posted by Gagnon39
            Through 18 games I lead the league in home runs with 44. That puts me on pace for 396 homers, shattering last year's record set by the Cleveland Indians. Obviously, a long way to go but I'd go as far to say that an NL team should not hold the all-time team home run record for a season being as how they basically have 8 batters as opposed to 9 through the majority of their games.
            I'm getting a ton of hr and giving up a ton.

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            • KnightTemplar
              MVP
              • Feb 2017
              • 3282

              #126
              Re: What happened?! WAYYY to many HRs.

              Originally posted by tabarnes19
              I'm getting a ton of hr and giving up a ton.

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              Found the answer for me. CPU power, timing, foul frequency -3 for each. I’m not a guy who likes messing with sliders, but it’s really done the trick for me.

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              • bronxbombers21325
                MVP
                • Mar 2012
                • 3058

                #127
                Re: What happened?! WAYYY to many HRs.

                I just gave up 6 HRs in a game to the Orioles...the Orioles............the O.R.I.O.L.E.S...........

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                • Incognito
                  Rookie
                  • Feb 2003
                  • 136

                  #128
                  Re: What happened?! WAYYY to many HRs.

                  This patch only addressed online gameplay, which is obviously the main focus. The frequent/easy home run issue is still there. A big problem is non to low-power guys are hitting home runs too easily. It feels like guys like Ender Inciate and Kolton Wong are as likely to go deep as real power threats. Even had a game where Jacob deGrom took Scherzer deep on a contact swing.

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                  • KnightTemplar
                    MVP
                    • Feb 2017
                    • 3282

                    #129
                    Re: What happened?! WAYYY to many HRs.

                    Originally posted by bronxbombers21325
                    I just gave up 6 HRs in a game to the Orioles...the Orioles............the O.R.I.O.L.E.S...........
                    The answer could be in the sliders. Test with CPU power and timing all the way down. I tested that and it almost neutered the CPU.

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                    • JaFFiTh
                      MVP
                      • Mar 2008
                      • 1684

                      #130
                      Re: What happened?! WAYYY to many HRs.

                      Originally posted by Gagnon39
                      Through 18 games I lead the league in home runs with 44. That puts me on pace for 396 homers, shattering last year's record set by the Cleveland Indians. Obviously, a long way to go but I'd go as far to say that an NL team should not hold the all-time team home run record for a season being as how they basically have 8 batters as opposed to 9 through the majority of their games.

                      You mean the Minnesota Twins

                      I’m seeing good amount of homeruns with Mike Lowe’s sliders. I’ve had high score game with maybe a couple homeruns. So I’m happy with that.


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                      • Brian SCEA
                        Senior AI Programmer - MLB: The Show
                        • Mar 2008
                        • 293

                        #131
                        Re: What happened?! WAYYY to many HRs.

                        I'll give some background info on MLB 2018 versus MLB 2019 single-player.

                        MLB patched baseball in 2019. No not the game, I mean real life:
                        2019 total HRs: 3298 (NL) + 3478 (AL) = 6776
                        2018 total HRs: 2685 (NL) + 2900 (AL) = 5585

                        This is a 21% increase in HRs, and it isn't a fluke.

                        Remember that Homeruns aren't truly hit by leagues are teams, they are hit by individual batters. Some batters hit a lot, some hit few, some like pitchers might hit zero year after year.

                        So with that in mind, I hope this analysis makes sense:
                        1) Was the 21% increase in HRs because individual hitters hit more HRs? Yes.
                        2) Should a batter who hits well in real life hit likewise in our game? Yes.
                        3) What will happen if in the game, the average batter got better at hitting home runs, like they did in real life? They will hit more home runs.

                        So you'll see that for many hitters, their power rating increased to reflect what they did in real life. Some batters got worse, as always happens. If you make a team of those hitters, it'll bring back memories of 2018.

                        No trickery, nothing artificial.

                        It is possible for MLB 2019 to simulate 2018 instead of 2019, but I don't normally hear that request for the game as a whole. Personally I like the lower offense of 2018 more but it would be odd and problematic if 2019 players played like 2018. So instead we give sliders to suit personal preference.

                        The power slider is one way (for just HRs), so is difficulty (for offense in general). You might try both - it's always possible that you also got better since 2018. While these methods do in fact work, in baseball you aren't going to know either way until about 5-10 games in. It's an odds thing so 95% of people who play 5-10 games will get a clear picture of offense, but you can have streaks either way. Since the game matches real life in this respect, I can't help with streaks other than to say they happen naturally.

                        When MLB patches their game, they are patching our game too. Even if we changed nothing else, as long as the players track their real life counter-parts this will happen. We could put in specific exemptions, at some cost, but I think it creates more problems than it solves. Providing sliders and difficulty is a better way, since each person has a different idea of what they want anyways.

                        Source:

                        Last edited by Brian SCEA; 03-28-2020, 01:57 PM.

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                        • bkrich83
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                          • Jul 2002
                          • 71577

                          #132
                          Re: What happened?! WAYYY to many HRs.

                          I have gotten the home run rate down to what I feel is a realistic rate with sliders. My slider set is pretty similar to Mike Lowe's set I think, so i believe the issue is fixable.

                          I'd start with Lowe's sliders and then adjust to your personal preferences/skills from there.
                          Last edited by bkrich83; 03-28-2020, 08:05 PM.
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                          • Armor and Sword
                            The Lama
                            • Sep 2010
                            • 21790

                            #133
                            Re: What happened?! WAYYY to many HRs.

                            Originally posted by Brian SCEA
                            I'll give some background info on MLB 2018 versus MLB 2019 single-player.

                            MLB patched baseball in 2019. No not the game, I mean real life:
                            2019 total HRs: 3298 (NL) + 3478 (AL) = 6776
                            2018 total HRs: 2685 (NL) + 2900 (AL) = 5585

                            This is a 21% increase in HRs, and it isn't a fluke.

                            Remember that Homeruns aren't truly hit by leagues are teams, they are hit by individual batters. Some batters hit a lot, some hit few, some like pitchers might hit zero year after year.

                            So with that in mind, I hope this analysis makes sense:
                            1) Was the 21% increase in HRs because individual hitters hit more HRs? Yes.
                            2) Should a batter who hits well in real life hit likewise in our game? Yes.
                            3) What will happen if in the game, the average batter got better at hitting home runs, like they did in real life? They will hit more home runs.

                            So you'll see that for many hitters, their power rating increased to reflect what they did in real life. Some batters got worse, as always happens. If you make a team of those hitters, it'll bring back memories of 2018.

                            No trickery, nothing artificial.

                            It is possible for MLB 2019 to simulate 2018 instead of 2019, but I don't normally hear that request for the game as a whole. Personally I like the lower offense of 2018 more but it would be odd and problematic if 2019 players played like 2018. So instead we give sliders to suit personal preference.

                            The power slider is one way (for just HRs), so is difficulty (for offense in general). You might try both - it's always possible that you also got better since 2018. While these methods do in fact work, in baseball you aren't going to know either way until about 5-10 games in. It's an odds thing so 95% of people who play 5-10 games will get a clear picture of offense, but you can have streaks either way. Since the game matches real life in this respect, I can't help with streaks other than to say they happen naturally.

                            When MLB patches their game, they are patching our game too. Even if we changed nothing else, as long as the players track their real life counter-parts this will happen. We could put in specific exemptions, at some cost, but I think it creates more problems than it solves. Providing sliders and difficulty is a better way, since each person has a different idea of what they want anyways.

                            Source:

                            https://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/2018/YT_2018.htm


                            Perfectly stated. And everyone does have their “own” ideas of what they want. The sliders and difficulty provided along with all the different control scheme options (Zone/Directional/Analog/meter/pulse/classic etc) allow us to truly customize the game to what we truly want.

                            There is no one size fits all. And The Show does the various sizes better than any sports game available on consoles.

                            One thing that is very common is some players simply can’t come to grips that they are playing on level too high for their skill set. That is a big thing. Look in the mirror. And figure out what level you really should be playing at.....use Dynamic Difficulty and lock into the right level for yourself before you go tinkering with sliders.
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                            • KnightTemplar
                              MVP
                              • Feb 2017
                              • 3282

                              #134
                              Re: What happened?! WAYYY to many HRs.

                              Originally posted by Armor and Sword

                              There is no one size fits all. And The Show does the various sizes better than any sports game available on consoles.

                              .
                              I'm not sure why there are gamers that say they won't mess with sliders. Out of the box the game probably suits.....no one, or very few. That's what sliders are for. That said, I've never had the need to touch them as AS/AS has suited me fine, however, this year I have noticed their are too many homeruns in the game for me. Far too many. Sliders adjusted fixed it.

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                              • kchuskey
                                Pro
                                • Sep 2006
                                • 556

                                #135
                                Re: What happened?! WAYYY to many HRs.

                                Originally posted by Brian SCEA
                                I'll give some background info on MLB 2018 versus MLB 2019 single-player.

                                MLB patched baseball in 2019. No not the game, I mean real life:
                                2019 total HRs: 3298 (NL) + 3478 (AL) = 6776
                                2018 total HRs: 2685 (NL) + 2900 (AL) = 5585

                                This is a 21% increase in HRs, and it isn't a fluke.

                                Remember that Homeruns aren't truly hit by leagues are teams, they are hit by individual batters. Some batters hit a lot, some hit few, some like pitchers might hit zero year after year.

                                So with that in mind, I hope this analysis makes sense:
                                1) Was the 21% increase in HRs because individual hitters hit more HRs? Yes.
                                2) Should a batter who hits well in real life hit likewise in our game? Yes.
                                3) What will happen if in the game, the average batter got better at hitting home runs, like they did in real life? They will hit more home runs.

                                So you'll see that for many hitters, their power rating increased to reflect what they did in real life. Some batters got worse, as always happens. If you make a team of those hitters, it'll bring back memories of 2018.

                                No trickery, nothing artificial.

                                It is possible for MLB 2019 to simulate 2018 instead of 2019, but I don't normally hear that request for the game as a whole. Personally I like the lower offense of 2018 more but it would be odd and problematic if 2019 players played like 2018. So instead we give sliders to suit personal preference.

                                The power slider is one way (for just HRs), so is difficulty (for offense in general). You might try both - it's always possible that you also got better since 2018. While these methods do in fact work, in baseball you aren't going to know either way until about 5-10 games in. It's an odds thing so 95% of people who play 5-10 games will get a clear picture of offense, but you can have streaks either way. Since the game matches real life in this respect, I can't help with streaks other than to say they happen naturally.

                                When MLB patches their game, they are patching our game too. Even if we changed nothing else, as long as the players track their real life counter-parts this will happen. We could put in specific exemptions, at some cost, but I think it creates more problems than it solves. Providing sliders and difficulty is a better way, since each person has a different idea of what they want anyways.

                                Source:

                                https://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/2018/YT_2018.htm



                                For me, it's not the total amount, or frequency of HR's that seems off, but it's who is hitting them. When I constantly see 38, and 40, power guys hitting multiple bombs a game, then that seems very unrealistic. But I'm not one that is opposed to changing sliders a bit. Just need to find that happy median, where occasionally you can get a surprise from a lower power guy. Just not for 2, and 3 homers a game. I remember the excitement I had last year, when I homered with Jarod Dyson. I never saw it again the rest of the year.That's what I'm after. Any adjustments, or recommendations, would be appreciated.
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