The Future of Franchise Mode in MLB The Show 21 and Beyond

[jahickory]

Re: The Future of Franchise Mode in MLB The Show 21 and Beyond

The people in charge for following the money. People are lame enough to buy the game then spend even more money on DD stuff. Why do they spend money on DD stuff? Because, they don't want to take the time to try to earn cards.


It's a must have now thing.


That's why Franchise mode is always pushed to the side. They don't see it as a priority because the majority of people don't play it. It's to time consuming for some and it's not instant gratification.



I'm not sure why they'd want to go the Madden route though. Probably money. Remember when Madden first got rid of franchise and turned it into connected careers? That's the feeling I'm getting with the March to October.


Everything that was awesome about Madden's franchise was taken out then slowly parts came back into connected careers, a "new" addition to the game year after year. But, it's still no where to what it was previously.


Sadly, the show is following this trend and it sucks.


Aside from the fact that they need to change the gameplay, especially the fielding. If anybody watched when they did the MLB players tournament and there were so many embarrassing fielding moments cause of the gameplay. That's all the players would talk about. So, if they didn't fix fielding issues, they aren't even listening to big leaugers. They won't listen to the community.

[Boedefeld]

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Remember when you could cut TV deals and sponsors for your stadium? Or fans being happy or unhappy with certain players on your field? Or having a small newspaper article detailing your last game? Or upgrading your aerobic room?

Yeah, MLB The Shows franchise mode is as barebones as Maddens but I never see anyone voicing their displeasure.

[jrnlgrn]

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People talk about how they think Franchise is bare-bones all the time around here. There's just not a 100 different threads talking about it all the time. The entire Madden game is a mess all around though and people spend 75% of their time "hate" playing it out of habit. The Show at the very least consistently brings solid gameplay and a franchise that works as intended... most of the time. Yeah it has issues and is missing features but I would say is enjoyable for most people.

[tabarnes19_SDS]

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People talk about how they think Franchise is bare-bones all the time around here. There's just not a 100 different threads talking about it all the time. The entire Madden game is a mess all around though and people spend 75% of their time "hate" playing it out of habit. The Show at the very least consistently brings solid gameplay and a franchise that works as intended... most of the time. Yeah it has issues and is missing features but I would say is enjoyable for most people.

Franchise has taken multiple steps backwards over the years. The game plays beautifully, but franchise has plenty of legacy bugs that make it a challenge to keep it realistic.

One bug that drives me nuts, and still has not been addressed in multiple years, is playoff eligibility. The logic is wrong and many times I am stuck going into the playoffs short handed because it will not let me add a player from my 40 man after I had an injury.

Salaries regress and trade logic is also tied to it. When they introduced "real" salaries all that was done was real values were added to initial roster. We had the ability to do that prior, but didn't because the logic was built on the SCEA scale. Since that change trade logic has been affected and teams do not value players correctly and salaries in subsequent years see a major reduction.

The budget process has taken a step back. It is convulted and makes no sense.

Roster logic and trade logic has not been touched in years. Through testing I have also found that trades are much less likely to occur if playing every day.

Injuries do not occur realistically on played games. Line drives hit pitchers and they shake it off.

Players are traded multiple times In a season and sometimes traded back to the original team. There is even sign and trades in the off-season. This is a violation of mlb cba rules.

Progression/regression needs tuning. Prospects do not progress correctly and ratings inflate in 4 years to the point where rosters are loaded with 80 plus overall starters who are not good. Many times you find starters in the bullpen at 80 overall and higher.

There is no connection to the franchise you are playing. The real world is surrounded by Twitter feeds and such. The best we have is a radio show. Rumors etc should be in a social media feed. The radio show should be a pregame or post-game broadcast.

"features" that have been added have never been expanded on or tweaked. Morale and quirks come to mind. For features that were to be a base they have never been built on.



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[CBoller1331]

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Remember when you could cut TV deals and sponsors for your stadium? Or fans being happy or unhappy with certain players on your field? Or having a small newspaper article detailing your last game? Or upgrading your aerobic room?

Yeah, MLB The Shows franchise mode is as barebones as Maddens but I never see anyone voicing their displeasure.

You must not spend much time around here lol. Things typically do not get as toxic as many of the Madden threads, but there are plenty who have been critical of Franchise mode on these forums. They usually are much more respectable about it and can at least appreciate the solid gameplay that The Show offers, but it is not as if people on the forum have been completely silent about the lack of attention to franchise

[jrnlgrn]

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Franchise has taken multiple steps backwards over the years. The game plays beautifully, but franchise has plenty of legacy bugs that make it a challenge to keep it realistic.

One bug that drives me nuts, and still has not been addressed in multiple years, is playoff eligibility. The logic is wrong and many times I am stuck going into the playoffs short handed because it will not let me add a player from my 40 man after I had an injury.

Salaries regress and trade logic is also tied to it. When they introduced "real" salaries all that was done was real values were added to initial roster. We had the ability to do that prior, but didn't because the logic was built on the SCEA scale. Since that change trade logic has been affected and teams do not value players correctly and salaries in subsequent years see a major reduction.

The budget process has taken a step back. It is convulted and makes no sense.

Roster logic and trade logic has not been touched in years. Through testing I have also found that trades are much less likely to occur if playing every day.

Injuries do not occur realistically on played games. Line drives hit pitchers and they shake it off.

Players are traded multiple times In a season and sometimes traded back to the original team. There is even sign and trades in the off-season. This is a violation of mlb cba rules.

Progression/regression needs tuning. Prospects do not progress correctly and ratings inflate in 4 years to the point where rosters are loaded with 80 plus overall starters who are not good. Many times you find starters in the bullpen at 80 overall and higher.

There is no connection to the franchise you are playing. The real world is surrounded by Twitter feeds and such. The best we have is a radio show. Rumors etc should be in a social media feed. The radio show should be a pregame or post-game broadcast.

"features" that have been added have never been expanded on or tweaked. Morale and quirks come to mind. For features that were to be a base they have never been built on.



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I don't disagree with any of what you said. I never said there weren't issues or things taken out of the game. I'm was talking about a possible reason for the overall reaction both communities have towards their respective franchise modes and the original comment asking why "I never see anyone voicing their displeasure."

Your post is evidence that people are displeased and disproves his point that no one talks about it. The only difference is you go to the madden section and there are multiple threads voicing there unhappiness where here it's usually contained within a few threads and occasionally a new one will pop up.

The market for The Show has to grow significantly and franchise would have to decline even more for a twitter hashtag movement to get going.

[LegendKillerOne]

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The people in charge for following the money. People are lame enough to buy the game then spend even more money on DD stuff. Why do they spend money on DD stuff? Because, they don't want to take the time to try to earn cards.


It's a must have now thing.


That's why Franchise mode is always pushed to the side. They don't see it as a priority because the majority of people don't play it. It's to time consuming for some and it's not instant gratification.



I'm not sure why they'd want to go the Madden route though. Probably money. Remember when Madden first got rid of franchise and turned it into connected careers? That's the feeling I'm getting with the March to October.


Everything that was awesome about Madden's franchise was taken out then slowly parts came back into connected careers, a "new" addition to the game year after year. But, it's still no where to what it was previously.


Sadly, the show is following this trend and it sucks.


Aside from the fact that they need to change the gameplay, especially the fielding. If anybody watched when they did the MLB players tournament and there were so many embarrassing fielding moments cause of the gameplay. That's all the players would talk about. So, if they didn't fix fielding issues, they aren't even listening to big leaugers. They won't listen to the community.

I disagree about you saying franchise mode is dead and nobody plays it. We all play it that is why we are in this thread. For some of us its the only reason we play the game.

[Caulfield]

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I disagree about you saying franchise mode is dead and nobody plays it. We all play it that is why we are in this thread. For some of us its the only reason we play the game.

yeah, it ain't dead yet & while it remains to be seen if it's even terminal or not,
it's definitely sick and in desperate need of some TLC

[Jhack99]

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yeah, it ain't dead yet & while it remains to be seen if it's even terminal or not,
it's definitely sick and in desperate need of some TLC

Some TLC, and a blood transfusion and maybe some new organs to go along with it.

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[Red_Ted_is_back]

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Franchise has taken multiple steps backwards over the years. The game plays beautifully, but franchise has plenty of legacy bugs that make it a challenge to keep it realistic.

One bug that drives me nuts, and still has not been addressed in multiple years, is playoff eligibility. The logic is wrong and many times I am stuck going into the playoffs short handed because it will not let me add a player from my 40 man after I had an injury.

Salaries regress and trade logic is also tied to it. When they introduced "real" salaries all that was done was real values were added to initial roster. We had the ability to do that prior, but didn't because the logic was built on the SCEA scale. Since that change trade logic has been affected and teams do not value players correctly and salaries in subsequent years see a major reduction.

The budget process has taken a step back. It is convulted and makes no sense.

Roster logic and trade logic has not been touched in years. Through testing I have also found that trades are much less likely to occur if playing every day.

Injuries do not occur realistically on played games. Line drives hit pitchers and they shake it off.

Players are traded multiple times In a season and sometimes traded back to the original team. There is even sign and trades in the off-season. This is a violation of mlb cba rules.

Progression/regression needs tuning. Prospects do not progress correctly and ratings inflate in 4 years to the point where rosters are loaded with 80 plus overall starters who are not good. Many times you find starters in the bullpen at 80 overall and higher.

There is no connection to the franchise you are playing. The real world is surrounded by Twitter feeds and such. The best we have is a radio show. Rumors etc should be in a social media feed. The radio show should be a pregame or post-game broadcast.

"features" that have been added have never been expanded on or tweaked. Morale and quirks come to mind. For features that were to be a base they have never been built on.



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Amen. Last two paragraphs especially. The social media feed should be in both RTTS and Franchise and actually useful. Presently the one in RTTS is a superficial thing that your last paragraph sums up perfectly. Notables - in the game until 17 I think. Gave us some semblance of engagement and immersion with our Franchise world. Removed from Franchise. Should have been put into the social media feed. Gone.

Post-game newspaper articles, in the game up until 11, I think. Gone.

Sadly, we have no immersion, despite a multitude of opportunities to draw us in being either removed or implemented superficially.


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[Boedefeld]

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People talk about how they think Franchise is bare-bones all the time around here. There's just not a 100 different threads talking about it all the time. The entire Madden game is a mess all around though and people spend 75% of their time "hate" playing it out of habit. The Show at the very least consistently brings solid gameplay and a franchise that works as intended... most of the time. Yeah it has issues and is missing features but I would say is enjoyable for most people.

The Shows gameplay is horrific. I’ve been playing this franchise since 2009 and the 09 version is way more enjoyable than any release in the PS4 era. The pitching animation alone still looks like absolute garbage and has the speed of a grandpa.

At least Madden looks and feels amazing. Nothing about The Show feels immersive anymore.

You must not spend much time around here lol. Things typically do not get as toxic as many of the Madden threads, but there are plenty who have been critical of Franchise mode on these forums. They usually are much more respectable about it and can at least appreciate the solid gameplay that The Show offers, but it is not as if people on the forum have been completely silent about the lack of attention to franchise

That is completely true. I rarely venture into these forums anymore, just to get a slider base set and after that all the toxicity gets on my nerves.

[Armor and Sword]

The Future of Franchise Mode in MLB The Show 21 and Beyond

The Shows gameplay is horrific. I’ve been playing this franchise since 2009 and the 09 version is way more enjoyable than any release in the PS4 era. The pitching animation alone still looks like absolute garbage and has the speed of a grandpa.

At least Madden looks and feels amazing. Nothing about The Show feels immersive anymore.



That is completely true. I rarely venture into these forums anymore, just to get a slider base set and after that all the toxicity gets on my nerves.

I stopped after the first sentence. That is simply a mind-boggling statement. But hey that is your opinion.

I did an exercise and have gone all the way back to even The Show 11 as we love to romanticize about older games all the time around here.

I still got great enjoyment out of The Show 11 and 12 on the PS3. 2009 is unplayable for me.

On the PS4 14 is basically a relic compared to even 15.

But once you get to 17 and beyond it is simply on a totally new level of realism.

Like many here I agree about losing the pace of play from the MLB 09 - 11 era, newspapers, notable/recap, who’s hot and who’s not screen inside the franchise UI. Phases was in hindsight a terrible design decision. The removal of the third theme another bad decision.

But make no mistake....IMO the gameplay on 20 is second to none for any console sports game ever made.

Madden? LMFAO. Ok man. And I really enjoy Madden 21. But come on man. No comparison in gameplay for their respective sport. LOL!!!


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[xxvii]

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I try to get fully immersed in the game, but it bummed me out when I noticed the broadcasters didnt mention once a trade I made for Evan White in my Pads chise... Be cool to hear about the details of the trade or have it slightly mentioned during the next game.

[eric7064]

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People talk about how they think Franchise is bare-bones all the time around here. There's just not a 100 different threads talking about it all the time. The entire Madden game is a mess all around though and people spend 75% of their time "hate" playing it out of habit. The Show at the very least consistently brings solid gameplay and a franchise that works as intended... most of the time. Yeah it has issues and is missing features but I would say is enjoyable for most people.

Again completely disagree. It's the opposite in regards to "work as intended".

Whether you like the infrastructure and progression in madden, it works. I'm in 2037 and dont have to mess around with other teams rosters. Or bump rookies ratings up. I can simply play and not worry about CPU

The Show does not work as intended the deeper you get into franchise. I just dont think many people get 5+ years in to see. I do, and there are tons of manual things I have to do around the league to keep it afloat.

[Armor and Sword]

The Future of Franchise Mode in MLB The Show 21 and Beyond

Again completely disagree. It's the opposite in regards to "work as intended".



Whether you like the infrastructure and progression in madden, it works. I'm in 2037 and dont have to mess around with other teams rosters. Or bump rookies ratings up. I can simply play and not worry about CPU



The Show does not work as intended the deeper you get into franchise. I just dont think many people get 5+ years in to see. I do, and there are tons of manual things I have to do around the league to keep it afloat.

Ok hold on now......I am in year 6 (2025) on Madden 21 and the CPU for several teams are brain dead in not only managing the cap but who they draft position wise and free agent decisions.

It is not functional as you describe in a “I do not have to worry about the CPU”

This is an area all sports games on the console have never really gotten totally right and Madden is absolutely no exception.

I am in year 5 of my Yankees franchise (2021) and moat teams are functioning just fine. I have seen some teams wreck themselves too.

It is prevalent on both The Show and Madden. Make no mistake.


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