MLB lockout

[KingOfLanglade]

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Families can go to ML games if they want to. The issue is making them want to.

Baseball is the one sport that is still economically feasible to take a family to relatively speaking. My wife, in-laws, and I went to Sox/Brewers and Giants/Brewers for $50 per person this summer. All four teams were in 1st place, and the weather was BEAUTIFUL!

The reason I bring this up is because I sat next to a teenager during the Sox/Brewers Game. He maybe looked up from his phone 5 times the whole game, and asked if it was over in the 7th inning.

Baseball may never recapture the nation, but it also doesn’t have to die with the next generation. Change should be embraced by those who claim to love the sport and all it has done for some of us.

[bryanm1982]

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They would never do this but the time between innings should be reduced. Local broadcasts are 2 minutes and 5 seconds. Cut that down to 90 seconds and you cut down 9 minutes there. They already do show split-screen commercials during mound visits or other dead ball times. So that will help offset the commercial money lost.

[ninertravel]

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I think the main problem that is happened in the last 5 years is the strikeout rate home runs and walks rather then 'balls in play'' where banning the shift is suppose to 'fix this' but a pull hitter is always gonna go that way regardless. the Ortiz of the world.

[aholbert32]

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They would never do this but the time between innings should be reduced. Local broadcasts are 2 minutes and 5 seconds. Cut that down to 90 seconds and you cut down 9 minutes there. They already do show split-screen commercials during mound visits or other dead ball times. So that will help offset the commercial money lost.

I dont think the players or union would agree to this. Split screen commercials generate less revenue. Less revenue for the TV networks equals smaller rights fees from TV networks in the next negotiation. Smaller rights fees equals less revenue to split amongst the teams and players. That equals lower salaries for the players.

[ninertravel]

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So now MLB are saying those 'games can be made up' if a deal is done tomorrow and season be pushed back just 1 week..

seriously... the threat didn't work so now they are trying 'we will give you 6 or 7 games back if you make a deal now'

Stop giving fans false hope here that there is a chance of a proper season!

[Fullmetalpanic7]

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Let's also not forget the players response to the threat of a shortened season was they wouldn't agree to expanded playoffs...

Honestly, both sides just sound like petulant children.

[lemarflacco]

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Let's also not forget the players response to the threat of a shortened season was they wouldn't agree to expanded playoffs...

Honestly, both sides just sound like petulant children.

Huh? Its negotiation. The playoff is the only leverage the players really have considered MLB already has a deal in place for the broadcast rights of these expanded playoffs.

[Jeffrey Smith]

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Huh? Its negotiation. The playoff is the only leverage the players really have considered MLB already has a deal in place for the broadcast rights of these expanded playoffs.

Yeah, I don’t like any of the back and forth being played out on social media by both sides but I do understand that it is all part of the process.

Just wish they had the same sense of urgency earlier on and had worked out a deal by now.


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[lemarflacco]

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Yeah, I don’t like any of the back and forth being played out on social media by both sides but I do understand that it is all part of the process.

Just wish they had the same sense of urgency earlier on and had worked out a deal by now.


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Yea and everything is literally tied to the CBT. The owners use this as a salary cap. I was looking back and basically only 3 teams a year, at most, have exceeded the CBT. Thats 90% that don't spend over this amount.

The cardinals had a payroll of 183 mil in 2016, 7 years ago. Inflation has increased along with values of these franchise but yet 20+ teams payrolls are still under the amount today.

11 teams last year (over 30 percent of the league was 100 mil under the tax. Another 10 were over 26 mil under the tax and only one over. These payrolls do not reflect the revenues of the game.

[bryanm1982]

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And I bet you if they do raise it, teams still won't go anywhere near that number. Or at least the same 3 teams will go near that number. Still going to be a top dollar. The owners could say lets raise it to $250. It doesn't mean teams will want or will go that high. And the smaller markets really can't complain that the Dodgers or Yankees are going to go that high cause they don't try to win anyway. LOL

[aholbert32]

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And I bet you if they do raise it, teams still won't go anywhere near that number. Or at least the same 3 teams will go near that number. Still going to be a top dollar. The owners could say lets raise it to $250. It doesn't mean teams will want or will go that high. And the smaller markets really can't complain that the Dodgers or Yankees are going to go that high cause they don't try to win anyway. LOL

If the players really care about young and midlevel players, they would be focusing solely on a salary floor.

[JayhawkerStL]

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Honestly, as long as The Show comes out, I seriously don't care what MLB and MLBPA do. We have the NBA and NHL playoffs coming up. My favorite Premier League team has been on a massive hot streak, although they got smashed Saturday.

Also, the pandemic is essentially over, so I will just spend more money on concerts.

I grew up as baseball as my number one sport, from the moment I went to my first baseball game and my dad took me to the Stan Musial stature outside of Busch Stadium. Honestly, in the 70's, it's what made me a real fan. The Cards sucked, but I followed Lou Brock's chase for the stolen base title and then 3000 hits daily.

What made baseball so much more than all the other sports, to me, was the stats. It illuminated strategy and retold history in ways that other sports mostly lacked. Well, technology has changed, and now all the sports are as smart as baseball in using tech and data to make smarter decisions both on and off the field.

If MLB and the MLBPA don't want to play, my options are so much better now than during any previous work stoppage, that I literally don't care. I'll play the game when it comes out and watch baseball if they ever get around to playing. But I'm not wasting my time worrying about leagues that aren't playing.

[aholbert32]

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Honestly, as long as The Show comes out, I seriously don't care what MLB and MLBPA do. We have the NBA and NHL playoffs coming up. My favorite Premier League team has been on a massive hot streak, although they got smashed Saturday.

Also, the pandemic is essentially over, so I will just spend more money on concerts.

I grew up as baseball as my number one sport, from the moment I went to my first baseball game and my dad took me to the Stan Musial stature outside of Busch Stadium. Honestly, in the 70's, it's what made me a real fan. The Cards sucked, but I followed Lou Brock's chase for the stolen base title and then 3000 hits daily.

What made baseball so much more than all the other sports, to me, was the stats. It illuminated strategy and retold history in ways that other sports mostly lacked. Well, technology has changed, and now all the sports are as smart as baseball in using tech and data to make smarter decisions both on and off the field.

If MLB and the MLBPA don't want to play, my options are so much better now than during any previous work stoppage, that I literally don't care. I'll play the game when it comes out and watch baseball if they ever get around to playing. But I'm not wasting my time worrying about leagues that aren't playing.

I kinda feel the same way. The NHL and NBA playoffs have me covered until June. Football starts back in August. I'm good.

I'll miss not going to a game this summer but we are really only talking about a 2 mos sports drought for me.

I dont think we have to worry about that. This reminds me of the last NBA lockout where the owners really wouldnt engage in good faith until they had to start reimbursing the TV networks. That date is May 1 for MLB so I'm confident we are only going to miss about a month of games at most.

[lemarflacco]

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And I bet you if they do raise it, teams still won't go anywhere near that number. Or at least the same 3 teams will go near that number. Still going to be a top dollar. The owners could say lets raise it to $250. It doesn't mean teams will want or will go that high. And the smaller markets really can't complain that the Dodgers or Yankees are going to go that high cause they don't try to win anyway. LOL

I disagree. That number does set the cap for a number of teams. Around 10 teams were right at the line or less than 10 mil below. And you kinda make the point. The Yankees didn't go over, They purposely mad e trade deadline deal giving up salary balance to make sure they stayed under the number.

Don't forget its a "tax". Once you go over you even more money in penalties. So a team may be willing to py 5 mil extra but they are not willing to pay the extra 5 plus the tax and then the added tax the next season if they are a repeat offender.

[lemarflacco]

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If the players really care about young and midlevel players, they would be focusing solely on a salary floor.

They have addressed service time manipulation and they wanted a large bonus for pre arb/arb players. So it seems like they are addressing it.

But how is arguing that the players a solely concerned with younger players?

ITs jus ridiculous , even with salary caps, they make these things to protect owners from themselves, Same reasons they limited years on nba contracts. Like just don't sign bad contracts and id like to say if you don't have enough money to tip , you can't afford the restaurant. Same should be with sports, If you don't have the money to spend more than 40 mil on your payroll, than you shouldn't be owning the team