MLB The Show 23 Franchise, MTO, Presentation and Commentary Feature Premiere Breakdown

[canes21]

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This is a strawman. Initially it was said by country boy that, "Opt out years in the middle of a contract are not in the game and likely won't be due to the complexity of the programming required for it to work."

Im sure this was gathered from the mlbts devs saying that it took them a whole cycle to get the new mlb rules/schedule in due to the complexity of the code.

The person that "talked to the ootp dev" said that graphics dont make it harder to add code to franchise. He is the ONLY person who has said that.

WE did not say graphics are the reason franchise can't closer resemble ootp's version. Im sure graphics are handle by devs working on art and are separate than a dev working franchise.

TA Barnes, is one of the guys heading franchise. Guy use to come to this board and do endless hours of testing, in franchise for free, to find bugs and things that should be added , etc. I am sure if something like options are edited, there is a reason. And not because "they don't care"


Can this not just exist in world where the initial code for franchise that is still being used from ages ago is harder to edit and expand on meanwhile they are not alotted the amount of time that is needed to completely rebuild the code from the ground up at this point which is probably what is needed?

Strawman? What? The irony. Here's some of the posts that led to the discussion.

ootp is a pure text sim so we can assume those things would be easier to implement.

Yeah, it's not a great comparison.

You literally said that OOTP being a text sim made it easier for things like opt out years in the middle of contracts easier to implement. That was challenged, rightfully so. You're continuing to backpedal and change your argument instead of just admitting you may have been wrong initially.

The point is, when they develop franchise mode, all of the off the field mechanics would be built in a very very very similar manner to how OOTP devs build their game and features. Having gameplay on the field like The Show does would have no impact on the coding for elements off the field. What that means is OOTP being a text sim does not make it any easier for them to add things like opt out years in the middle of contracts.

The simple reason things like that exists in OOTP is because that dev team aims for that kind of depth in their mode. SDS does not aim for that in The Show. That's their choice and they've built a successful game series having a more casual franchise experience while clearly having more of a focus on the gameplay on the field.

Your average franchise enjoyer probably does not know half the stuff lacking in The Show's franchise mode even exists which is likely why SDS doesn't care to add a lot of little things. What this game lacks is mostly by choice and nothing else. I'm sure their programmers are more than capable of adding opt out years in the middle of contracts, but the team simply doesn't have it as a big enough priority to put the resources towards. That's it.

[LegendKillerOne]

Re: MLB The Show 23 Franchise, MTO, Presentation and Commentary Feature Premiere Brea

Strawman? What? The irony. Here's some of the posts that led to the discussion.





You literally said that OOTP being a text sim made it easier for things like opt out years in the middle of contracts easier to implement. That was challenged, rightfully so. You're continuing to backpedal and change your argument instead of just admitting you may have been wrong initially.

The point is, when they develop franchise mode, all of the off the field mechanics would be built in a very very very similar manner to how OOTP devs build their game and features. Having gameplay on the field like The Show does would have no impact on the coding for elements off the field. What that means is OOTP being a text sim does not make it any easier for them to add things like opt out years in the middle of contracts.

The simple reason things like that exists in OOTP is because that dev team aims for that kind of depth in their mode. SDS does not aim for that in The Show. That's their choice and they've built a successful game series having a more casual franchise experience while clearly having more of a focus on the gameplay on the field.

Your average franchise enjoyer probably does not know half the stuff lacking in The Show's franchise mode even exists which is likely why SDS doesn't care to add a lot of little things. What this game lacks is mostly by choice and nothing else. I'm sure their programmers are more than capable of adding opt out years in the middle of contracts, but the team simply doesn't have it as a big enough priority to put the resources towards. That's it.

When they had said this originally and I went to the OOTP boards just to ask one of the devs I honestly was just curious of how it works more then anything. I never meant for it to become such a hot topic. I was honestly just trying to see if it was more difficult. I was originally just looking after reading something country had said

[djflock]

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When they had said this originally and I went to the OOTP boards just to ask one of the devs I honestly was just curious of how it works more then anything. I never meant for it to become such a hot topic. I was honestly just trying to see if it was more difficult. I was originally just looking after reading something country had said

IT still makes ZERO sense. How would a dev on OOTP be familiar with MLBTS source code>?

[canes21]

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IT still makes ZERO sense. How would a dev on OOTP be familiar with MLBTS source code>?

He doesn't need to be familiar with their source code. It's simple logic. What would The Show having on-field gameplay do that would make a programmer's life harder when implementing off the field features in franchise mode?

[djflock]

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He doesn't need to be familiar with their source code. It's simple logic. What would The Show having on-field gameplay do that would make a programmer's life harder when implementing off the field features in franchise mode?

So you're arguing the process is the same for any baseball video game to add mid contract options along with building the logic for the cpu to use this feature properly? As if every franchise mode in every game is built from the same code base.

[LegendKillerOne]

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So you're arguing the process is the same for any baseball video game to add mid contract options along with building the logic for the cpu to use this feature properly? As if every franchise mode in every game is built from the same code base.

I think what he is saying is if you know how to write video game code you would be able to do it for any video game. There are not separate college courses for baseball code, football code, pc code, console code. Code is code

[djflock]

Re: MLB The Show 23 Franchise, MTO, Presentation and Commentary Feature Premiere Brea

I think what he is saying is if you know how to write video game code you would be able to do it for any video game. There are not separate college courses for baseball code, football code, pc code, console code. Code is code

Wrong about the code part as well. You have a lot of research to do. "Code" is not just "Code". There are many different coding languages and you can learn one without knowing the other. They all can have different functions.

Javascript is not the same as Swift which is not he same as python which is not the same as c++.

I am not a dev but I work loosely with devs from time to time as a project manager and at the least, I can tell you every "source" code is different.

There are times where the code is too convoluted and very difficult to add too, (especially a new dev coming to the project) and you may have to rebuild the code .

You cannot copy and past the code from ootp to mlbts . If an ootp dev wanted to work on mlb's code, they would first need to get up to speed with the current code before they could figure it out.

[kehlis]

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Okay - everyone get's their last public comment/rebuttal on this since it's completely off topic. After that, if you want to continue to discuss this, take it to PM's please.

[LegendKillerOne]

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Wrong about the code part as well. You have a lot of research to do. "Code" is not just "Code". There are many different coding languages and you can learn one without knowing the other. They all can have different functions.

Javascript is not the same as Swift which is not he same as python which is not the same as c++.

I am not a dev but I work loosely with devs from time to time as a project manager and at the least, I can tell you every "source" code is different.

There are times where the code is too convoluted and very difficult to add too, (especially a new dev coming to the project) and you may have to rebuild the code .

You cannot copy and past the code from ootp to mlbts . If an ootp dev wanted to work on mlb's code, they would first need to get up to speed with the current code before they could figure it out.

You are not really getting what I am saying and that is all good. AS Kehlis stated we get one final comment on it so this will be it for me.

The whole conversation and point of it got way off topic. Many moons ago someone mentioned a reason they thought MLB the show did not have opt outs in the contracts in game. Made it sound difficult. I personally have no idea how difficult so I asked someone. Someone in the field of game making. They said it was not to difficult but that they are certain that MLB the show has biggest fish to fry basically with their resources. That was really all that was to it. Does not matter at the end of the day as mlb the show does not have it.

So with that said as pointed out we need to get back on track

Excited for Friday, looking forward to the game. and Let's Go Mets

[Caulfield]

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probably one of THE very first things I want to do Friday is see how many more first and last names were added to the database since Boog's Show debut last year.
is that really something that has to be done with Boog actually going to San Diego?
it seems like Vasgersian left the Padres early on in his Show tenure and even after he left, the database built up quickly, and in a large quantity.
so hopefully Boog won't need to visit the Studio to increase his commentary nsmes called number.
and with the stadium PA remaining the same, they can just readd his old lines instead of having to take the time and trouble to rerecord them.
anywho, 2 days left and a lot of questions will be answered

[LegendKillerOne]

Re: MLB The Show 23 Franchise, MTO, Presentation and Commentary Feature Premiere Brea

probably one of THE very first things I want to do Friday is see how many more first and last names were added to the database since Boog's Show debut last year.
is that really something that has to be done with Boog actually going to San Diego?
it seems like Vasgersian left the Padres early on in his Show tenure and even after he left, the database built up quickly, and in a large quantity.
so hopefully Boog won't need to visit the Studio to increase his commentary nsmes called number.
and with the stadium PA remaining the same, they can just readd his old lines instead of having to take the time and trouble to rerecord them.
anywho, 2 days left and a lot of questions will be answered

Do you recall what year Vin Scully stopped doing voice for the show ? Or am I thinking of the wrong game? The dude has such a magical voice.

[Caulfield]

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Do you recall what year Vin Scully stopped doing voice for the show ? Or am I thinking of the wrong game? The dude has such a magical voice.

I wanna say 989's MLB2005?
seems like Vasgersian first year was the first year of the rebrand, with Show 06.
and Soup Campbell bridged Scully and Vasgersian together, being each guys color guy for years

[ninertravel]

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first thing I am gonna do tomorrow is the boring job of overwriting all the legends with CAPs and moving them back to the free agents to fill it up haha. then create the 2 japan players which I have videos of ready from 22.

If I have all those CAP ready I can start my franchise and edit missing players in any time then.. that's how I always spend the early access. it is like Xmas Eve for me today (just a shame I am not getting a midnight release tonight like other years and gotta wait till 3pm tomorrow) but that is all good put in for 2 days off work next week to make up for it.

[LegendKillerOne]

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first thing I am gonna do tomorrow is the boring job of overwriting all the legends with CAPs and moving them back to the free agents to fill it up haha. then create the 2 japan players which I have videos of ready from 22.

If I have all those CAP ready I can start my franchise and edit missing players in any time then.. that's how I always spend the early access. it is like Xmas Eve for me today (just a shame I am not getting a midnight release tonight like other years and gotta wait till 3pm tomorrow) but that is all good put in for 2 days off work next week to make up for it.

I so want to start my franchise right away but I am going to try and fight the urge to wait for the official Senga and Yoshida. I am assuming they will auto be in the first roster update.

[ninertravel]

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I so want to start my franchise right away but I am going to try and fight the urge to wait for the official Senga and Yoshida. I am assuming they will auto be in the first roster update.

yeah probably mid April, like Seiya Suzuki was, I can't wait that long when the MLB season has started haha.

the one that has me worried is if Tatis is missing that will be a longer wait if so.