AI Bullpen Logic

[DallasRocks]

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Thanks, I was expecting it. Still a bummer.


Does anyone of you have a link to how to manage the CPU bullpen in a all team control franchise? I remember, you should put the player with the lowest stamina into the LRP slot and shouldn´t use the second SU spot. But what about the CP? Should it be the real CP?

And is there a difference between simulated games and games where you actually face the CPU? Should you then change the Bullpen, when facing a team?

This right here is why they only care about DD and continue to not care about franchise for years. Fanboys will make excuses and “you only have to do x y and x to solve the issue.” No you shouldn’t have to do a dang thing. This has been an issue for years and they don’t care. I’m not trying to be a ***** bc I have logged thousands of hours over the years and loved the games but man last year and this years version is so stale it can’t be denied, not to mention graphics and minimal features, upgrades this year. It’s a shame bc I keep looking for an excuse to get the game but can’t find one

[Ghost Of The Year]

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This right here is why they only care about DD and continue to not care about franchise for years. Fanboys will make excuses and “you only have to do x y and x to solve the issue.” No you shouldn’t have to do a dang thing. This has been an issue for years and they don’t care. I’m not trying to be a ***** bc I have logged thousands of hours over the years and loved the games but man last year and this years version is so stale it can’t be denied, not to mention graphics and minimal features, upgrades this year. It’s a shame bc I keep looking for an excuse to get the game but can’t find one

All video games have limitations, what kills me are the things that can't be solved, like players with the wrong amount of MiLB options, or fake coaches. If I were so lucky to have a work-around, I'd be ecstatic. But alas. I know I shouldn't have to do these things but until there's another way (Excluding not playing anymore; the last person I'm going to punish is myself), there will be some work-arounds that I will do, some I refuse to do, like 30 team control. That I *shouldn't have* to do them is irrelevant. Its the worst cliche there is when it comes to video games: It is what it is.

[Kevin_D]

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Even though it’s decision making, they still have to test it with all of the other features of gameplay vs OOTP where it’s just a simple decision making tool. It’s still long overdue for a fix, but I don’t think it’s just that easy to update the logic and be done with it.

They haven’t changed anything in like 15 years lol. Stop making excuses for them

[Ghost Of The Year]

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Even though it’s decision making, they still have to test it with all of the other features of gameplay vs OOTP where it’s just a simple decision making tool. It’s still long overdue for a fix, but I don’t think it’s just that easy to update the logic and be done with it.

They haven’t changed anything in like 15 years lol. Stop making excuses for them

Excuses shouldn't be made and neither should exaggerations. The problem is where one person sees it as an excuse, there will be another person who sees it as a reason. And no, they are not the same thing.

[MiracleMet718]

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I fail to see how I was making excuses. Just trying to explain why it might not be updated yet. I never said we should accept it as it definitely needs to be improved.

[bilbobeuli]

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They haven’t changed anything in like 15 years lol. Stop making excuses for them

But haven't you heard?! We should be grateful for everything that SDS is doing, because many users in here are soooo happy with the game! You cannot criticize anything, have more respect for these devs!!!


It's crazy how little effort developers put into these games nowadays and still make bank. It's the state of gaming I suppose.

[Ghost Of The Year]

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But haven't you heard?! We should be grateful for everything that SDS is doing, because many users in here are soooo happy with the game! You cannot criticize anything, have more respect for these devs!!!


It's crazy how little effort developers put into these games nowadays and still make bank. It's the state of gaming I suppose.

You don't have to be grateful. What I don't get is why anyone would think its okay to criticise a video game on a forum but can't take it as good as they give when someone else critiques their review. It's a forum, there will never be 100% harmony where we gather around and sing Kumbaya. Anyone who does expect that probably doesn't need to be let out alone in genpop without holding they mama hand.

[ML]

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Unfortunately in my mind there's no reason that would be acceptable as to why this is still in the game. This is somehow worse than madden's inability to utilize formations correctly (3-4 glitch). I'm not going through everyone's bullpen and rotation 162 times a season to make sure its correct.

Don't advertise improved AI logic or w/e they continue to roll out every year when this gets overlooked. The SDS guys have been on these forums and still are, albeit silently because nobody plays nice. There's no way they aren't aware of this. If this is because of old code or whatever the "reason" is, fix it already! Use some of that extra online money or from still pushing the game on outdated consoles to get it taken care of! It's not like you're losing sales to a legitimate contender! SMH

Put this game on PC already and let those who care for more than stockpiling 115 OVR rated player on their online roster tweak the game from under the hood. Modded Madden is arguably the best sports game on the market right now and that's because of the guys who do it for the love of the game, not the fat cats.

Wildly disappointing from a studio that I used to hold to such high standards. What a fall from grace we've seen over the past decade. Way to take their foot off the gas...

[tgreer]

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Thanks, I was expecting it. Still a bummer.


Does anyone of you have a link to how to manage the CPU bullpen in a all team control franchise? I remember, you should put the player with the lowest stamina into the LRP slot and shouldn´t use the second SU spot. But what about the CP? Should it be the real CP?

And is there a difference between simulated games and games where you actually face the CPU? Should you then change the Bullpen, when facing a team?

Page 2 in this thread DarthRambo's post is the way I have had it setup the last two years for played games and it works pretty good

[sportsgamingguy2023]

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Unfortunately in my mind there's no reason that would be acceptable as to why this is still in the game. This is somehow worse than madden's inability to utilize formations correctly (3-4 glitch). I'm not going through everyone's bullpen and rotation 162 times a season to make sure its correct.

Don't advertise improved AI logic or w/e they continue to roll out every year when this gets overlooked. The SDS guys have been on these forums and still are, albeit silently because nobody plays nice. There's no way they aren't aware of this. If this is because of old code or whatever the "reason" is, fix it already! Use some of that extra online money or from still pushing the game on outdated consoles to get it taken care of! It's not like you're losing sales to a legitimate contender! SMH

Put this game on PC already and let those who care for more than stockpiling 115 OVR rated player on their online roster tweak the game from under the hood. Modded Madden is arguably the best sports game on the market right now and that's because of the guys who do it for the love of the game, not the fat cats.

Wildly disappointing from a studio that I used to hold to such high standards. What a fall from grace we've seen over the past decade. Way to take their foot off the gas...

Great post. Agreed on all counts. What a shame.

[Ragnar84]

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SDS MLBTS24 decisions: fix ai, bullpen logic or add a new sim screen, add more Derek meter storylines or add female ball players

[djflock]

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SDS MLBTS24 decisions: fix ai, bullpen logic or add a new sim screen, add more Derek meter storylines or add female ball players

Im a huge critic of SDS and this outdate roster/bullpen logic or better options for us to manage it but... kinda ignorant to say that adding a female player is the reason that these things weren't updated

WHY? lol well because the 6 years prior to females being the game , we had the same terrible bullpen/lineup logic

[Ghost Of The Year]

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SDS MLBTS24 decisions: fix ai, bullpen logic or add a new sim screen, add more Derek meter storylines or add female ball players

Since those decisions already made, MLBTS25 decisions:
Fix Bullpen A.I. logic , add unicorns to create-a-stadium props , add Jazz Chisholm Storylines , or add robot umps. Whatever Sony decide, no ragrets.

[ninertravel]

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Page 2 in this thread DarthRambo's post is the way I have had it setup the last two years for played games and it works pretty good

It helps with the setup guys being used better but nothing solves the LR problem if coming in every single time a pitcher. Can’t make it through 5, in fact it’s sometimes the 6th

Manually do it helps but this is how bad the AI is.. they ignore pitchers you warmed up for them and being in their LR anyway!!!! So they bring in a cold LR.. it really ruins games. Unless you change controllers switch over each out and babysit the cpu so it doesn’t make a bonehead choice it can’t be fixed. and it’s the same god 24??? Wow I’m more and more justifying not buying it this year and it’s sad.

[DonkeyJote]

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I tested quite a bit, and the way I found that gave the best results:

LR: 4th best RP
LR: 5th best RP
LR: 6th best RP
MR: Best RP
MR: 2nd best RP
MR: 3rd best RP
MR: worst RP
SU: empty*
SU: empty*
CL: Closer*

*If you want to do a closer by committee thing, you can leave CL and the 4th MR empty, and put a lefty and righty at SU

Don't have anyone with high Stamina at LR. But this means that when the CPU goes to the LR too often, it's at least spread out among three guys. The CPU will also go to a MR in normal SU situations in addition to the normal MR situations, so they get more work; but the 4th one gets the fewest innings of the bullpen, by quite a bit. But that's pretty manageable because who that last guy is will change based on injuries. SU pitchers just don't pitch enough, especially if there are two (and a closer).

In played games, I like this too because the CPU will use more varied guys, and a lot of teams don't really have a dedicated 8th inning guy like SU is used anymore.

That said, it'd be nice if bullpen logic worked to a degree that we didn't always have to look for workarounds

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