Watching early release videos of scouting and the draft

[tessl]

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I feel the complete opposite here tbh.

Every franchise I’ve ever had long term needs Draft Class editing to reduce the potentials. Prospects in this game never flame out. They almost always hit their potential mark.

That + base roster having so many B and A potentials completely shatters any realism.

On ‘23, I’ve done a 15 year sim to test if they adjusted progression or regression (they have not)

In 2023, using the base roster, there are 30 90+ OVR Players

In 2028, there are 60+ 90 OVR players

In 2038, there are 75+ 90 OVR players.


It gets to the point where you have 84 OVR Pitchers still in AAA because rotations are so loaded.


Luckily you can use custom rosters that reduce these potentials to help with this issue, but Draft Classes still must be edited.

It’s unfortunate that they are not Customizable. That feature should have been added years ago.

Does pitcher stamina increase? An ongoing problem for years has been starting pitchers generated with stamina too low to be a legit starting pitcher and it either stays the same or decreases.

[JWDixon120]

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Does pitcher stamina increase? An ongoing problem for years has been starting pitchers generated with stamina too low to be a legit starting pitcher and it either stays the same or decreases.

Stamina only decreases.

Which, after extensive testing, max stamina needs to be around 85 in order to get realistic IP totals. Guys like Sandy need to be at 85 instead of 99.

[Funkycorm]

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I tested your system out a few weeks back. My only question or concern with the system, is that it seems only high OVR players are good enough to get 85+ potentials.

From my testing, guys who were already 67+ OVR would get 85+ potential and it seemed impossible for those 18 YO High Schoolers to crack 80 POT since they come in at OVR 55-60.

I’m thinking of maybe adding an age modifier?


Edit: I’ve made a modifier on my little spreadsheet and it seems to work well.

That is actually the other thing I have been toying around with for a long time. As players only tend to go up 3-4 overall a year. I have gone back and forth on what I do so I never clearly set it out as I could never settle on a consistent system.

What I have been leaning toward but not finalized it this:

If their overall is less than 60 then overall would be potential minus x number if potential is over 80 and based on age.


Minimum overall would also be 60. Max it can be is 65

18 years old: overall is potential minus 24
19 years old: overall is potential minus 21
20 years old: overall is potential minus 18
21 years old: overall is potential minus 17
22 years old: overall is potential minus 16


If their overall is less than the above difference, I don't change it.

For potential under 80, I am still following my original formulas.

I am still working on some of the if/then of it, and I haven't been 100 percent consistent with it as I am still trying to find a balance. That's why I haven't put it out there yet with my changes.

I would still pair it with my other edits.

I will likely start testing with the new draft class generation when I get the game. Probably tomorrow but I am off this upcoming weekend so will do some deep diving into edits then.

[tessl]

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Stamina only decreases.

Which, after extensive testing, max stamina needs to be around 85 in order to get realistic IP totals. Guys like Sandy need to be at 85 instead of 99.

The videos I've seen of scouting show current stamina much lower than potential stamina. You're saying they still haven't fixed this?

[JWDixon120]

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The videos I've seen of scouting show current stamina much lower than potential stamina. You're saying they still haven't fixed this?

I’m 99% sure stamina only decreases. Let me boot up a save real quick and test. I’ll respond shortly.

[JWDixon120]

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I’m 99% sure stamina only decreases. Let me boot up a save real quick and test. I’ll respond shortly.

I’ve attached 3 photos of Pitching Prospects at the end of the year.

Just like last year, Stamina, Velo, and Break never progress.

[tessl]

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I’ve attached 3 photos of Pitching Prospects at the end of the year.

Just like last year, Stamina, Velo, and Break never progress.

In that case I see a change but no major improvement. That's been an issue for many years and after spending time to "fix" the draft they didn't fix this major problem. There aren't many prospects in the 80's stamina and if they aren't in the 80's they are a 4 or 5 inning pitcher.

I stick with my original thought - I'd have preferred y2y saves. Slim chance they will patch this since they have known about it for years and done nothing.

[ripwalk]

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I’ve attached 3 photos of Pitching Prospects at the end of the year.

Just like last year, Stamina, Velo, and Break never progress.

I think I'm equally concerned with what this player silhouette thing is on prospects... I had thought game generated caps had their game generated faces on their player cards?

[JWDixon120]

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I think I'm equally concerned with what this player silhouette thing is on prospects... I had thought game generated caps had their game generated faces on their player cards?

They used to. Not sure if they plan on addressing this in a patch.

[KGIY94]

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I’ve attached 3 photos of Pitching Prospects at the end of the year.

Just like last year, Stamina, Velo, and Break never progress.

How long have these stats been locked? If you're going to provide a training regimen that is supposed to work on these three attributes but they don't move at all, then it's just broken. IRL how many pitchers throw the same velocity at 18, 25, 35, and 40?

[KGIY94]

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This is far from the truth. Most drafted players reach their potential. When morale was still impacting overall, you would have players 80+ overall sitting in the minors. The last few years it has improved some with tweaks to progression and regression, but editing helps a lot as this problem of overloaded systems still happens.

Having a good editing process like I do and starting with a roster with potentials not inflated are keys to a successful long term franchise.

Is it perfect that we have to edit? No. But your statement is false.

I would so ask how do you know that these players don't become legitimate MLB players when drafted? You have said the draft updates are meaningless because no one ever reaches that point.

Do a test sim for 10-15 years and see what the league looks like. I think you would be very surprised how many viable players there are and how inflated the league is overall wise.

I find that the mean overalls are super inflated with guys who reach 90 by the time they're like 32. The game is pretty bad at regenerating the high-end guys, though, except closers for some reason.

I also feel like minor league progression was nerfed a half decade ago so there are hardly any early bloomers. Most guys just gain 3-4 points in all their attributes every year regardless of minor league performance, and it feels like half of the precious A-potential guys don't become viable players until they're 28.

[Funkycorm]

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I find that the mean overalls are super inflated with guys who reach 90 by the time they're like 32. The game is pretty bad at regenerating the high-end guys, though, except closers for some reason.

I also feel like minor league progression was nerfed a half decade ago so there are hardly any early bloomers. Most guys just gain 3-4 points in all their attributes every year regardless of minor league performance, and it feels like half of the precious A-potential guys don't become viable players until they're 28.

That is definitely why I do age edits as an essential edit to all of the draft classes each year. I got tired of seeing 28 year old rookie of the years and no one reaching their potential. I do many other edits, but age is an essential one.

Now mind you I haven't tested anything in 23 yet, so I don't know how the changes to class generation are going to impact my edits.

I also do some more in season edits but have never really shared those as it is more of a feel for balance thing.

[tessl]

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Now that more people have the game can anybody else confirm that pitching stamina is still messed up and doesn't increase?

[Therebelyell626]

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Now that more people have the game can anybody else confirm that pitching stamina is still messed up and doesn't increase?

I don’t have the game but I’d Be shocked if it changed. Pitcher stamina hasn’t been able to increase since the beginning of the PS4 era. Tbh I doubt it ever will. SDS needs to complete rework franchise mode and just accept the fact that people aren’t falling over themselves to play MTO. They need to just completely scrap the old franchise code and build it back up while diverting resources from MTO back to reworking franchise. Because if they just continue to try and paste over old s*%# code, it’s never going to improve. They said it in the stream, and I honestly do believe that no change is “a small ask” due to the wonky code they are working with that is multiple generations old.

By splitting resources between MTO and franchise right now they are basically doing what in political circles is called “splitting the ticket”. They need to commit to one and get rid of the other. Plus the only reason I think MTO even has an audience is because they got rid of standard season mode a few years ago

[JWDixon120]

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Now that more people have the game can anybody else confirm that pitching stamina is still messed up and doesn't increase?

It does not increase.