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  • kehlis
    Moderator
    • Jul 2008
    • 27738

    #31
    I'm gonna say it & it might ruffle some feathers...

    Let’s get this back on track.

    And for the record - the R word used in the above post is never acceptable here and generally results in an instant ban from me.


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    Last edited by kehlis; 06-02-2023, 09:25 AM.

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    • forme95
      MVP
      • Nov 2013
      • 3118

      #32
      Re: I'm gonna say it & it might ruffle some feathers...

      In my opinion, I really think its the programming. Gamers that play may not see it as much as someone like me who has been mostly playing manage mode and can see the programming tendencies a little clearer. Something is definitely different under the hood. Now it could be trying to figure out the new rules and getting programming to balance to it. It could be that it is just leaning to (how to word it) less in depth gamers that want WOW homeruns, strikeouts, BIG game things, awesome comebacks (not comeback codes so relax the panties), and things that happen occasionally in baseball happen routinely in MLBTS.
      Really wish sports games played to ratings!
      Only thing SIM about sports games now, are the team name and players
      CFB 25 The absolute GOAT!!!
      MLB 23 FOREVER 20 is better, 23 just for Guardians
      Madden get rid of the extras (SS/XF, HFA, media, scenarios, game plan) or turn them down considerably.

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      • Skippy85410
        Banned
        • Aug 2019
        • 243

        #33
        Re: I'm gonna say it & it might ruffle some feathers...

        Originally posted by CgyFlames
        If you are using slider modifications and claiming scripting it’s worth considering whether you’re the one who broke the game. Sliders should be considered “use at your own risk”. A certain user base wants customization, but the game they designed you to play is default sliders.

        And before someone says it, it’s not realistic to ask them to test the 1000’s of possible slider combinations.

        I won’t believe this until someone provides hard data on default sliders. Any kind of “it happens a lot to me” or “this happened in my last game” is anecdotal and thus not real evidence at all.


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        Isn't this reasoning the whole point of playing on dynamic difficulty? So the game can adjust to your skill level using default sliders? Just about everyone who plays with slider adjustments uses a set difficulty no lower than all-star. Maybe they just want a set skill level that best fits them with only a few minor tweaks to sliders. That's what I do and haven't noticed any 'predictability'.

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        • Ghost Of The Year
          Life's been good so far.
          • Mar 2014
          • 6352

          #34
          Re: I'm gonna say it & it might ruffle some feathers...

          Originally posted by Skippy85410
          Isn't this reasoning the whole point of playing on dynamic difficulty? So the game can adjust to your skill level using default sliders? Just about everyone who plays with slider adjustments uses a set difficulty no lower than all-star. Maybe they just want a set skill level that best fits them with only a few minor tweaks to sliders. That's what I do and haven't noticed any 'predictability'.
          I have used Dynamic off and on over the years, but sliders like Starter Stamina and Reliever Stamina still need lowered. I also lower Fielder Reaction , Fielder Speed and Baserunner Speed.
          T-BONE.

          Talking about things nobody cares.

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          • GAMEBREAKER85
            Rookie
            • Jun 2014
            • 377

            #35
            Re: I'm gonna say it & it might ruffle some feathers...

            I don't think sliders control the intelligence of the game on The Show. I think they control the physical dynamics (abilities/speed of play etc.) I think the mental intelligence of the engine is controlled via difficulty you choose i.e. Legend, Hall of Fame etc.

            Look at the slider options - which ones control how the computer "thinks"?

            Contact/Power/Foul/Solid are all timing mechanisms built into the physical engine. They are not going to control randomness or "bugs" or conspiracy theories that some of us have right now about how the game is acting in certain situations. NO ONE HERE can honestly say they think the computer hits the same with less than 2 outs than they do with 2 outs. When you get 2 outs there is some type of enhanced chance of giving up runs and if you can admit this then you are admitting there are things "under the hood" that correlate w/ "bugs" or "conspiracy theories". Last Year's game did the same thing with 2 outs.

            Control/Consistency are PRE-Meditated before the game starts. Whether being on a hot/cold/NO streak (base ratings). You know in the first inning if your starter is on or off. I use meter, so if I throw a perfect fastball and it basically bullseyes where I put my cursor I know the guy is pretty much onto or playing above his ratings. If I throw a perfect pitch and it does the gravity bounce towards the middle of the zone or goes array - he is off. The great thing is, this control and consistency can be different for each of his pitches. You cannot argue this is not decided before the game. Now as you tire or get into trouble with runners on (same with relievers) you will get different outcomes but sliders only enhance/diminish the rate or extremes in which the game has already dictated your pitcher or cpu's pitcher will operate around his ratings.

            Stamina - obvious one here.

            So outside of CPU Manager Hook, Pickoffs, what sliders are going to change the way the game is played via making the game not operate like it was intended to? They obviously changed the gameplay from last year's game and some of us are trying to get last year's homerun happy version to this years' enigma to balance out. There are many complaining about the same issues, just go check the threads - there is a reason we all are frustrated over too many cpu Ks, nerfed power (w/out sliders), and some other issues.

            All the sliders do is control the physical abilities of players. Saying by changing sliders you are messing up the way the game was intended to play doesn't sit well with me; I'm not sure I agree with it. If you/re like me, I'm trying to get it as close to a real life sim as possible. Whose to say "we" don't do a better job at seeing what the game is not doing well than some guys who have a job b/c they know how to write code? The game is so close to being great for me, but I cannot get over the hump. Human stick skills do come into play - I get it's a video game; but there's a reason some of us see the same issues and we don't even know each other's real names.

            Disclaimer: I win more games than I lose, it's how the games are being decided that have me on the hunt for a solution.
            Last edited by GAMEBREAKER85; 06-02-2023, 02:22 PM.

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            • reyes the roof
              Hall Of Fame
              • Mar 2009
              • 11526

              #36
              Re: I'm gonna say it & it might ruffle some feathers...

              I do find it a little suspicious how my bullpen minus Edwin Diaz is comprised of mostly guys with ratings in the upper 60s or lower 70s yet they’re so much more reliable than Diaz who has a 92 rating

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              • jcar0725
                "ADAPT OR DIE"
                • Aug 2010
                • 3818

                #37
                Re: I'm gonna say it & it might ruffle some feathers...

                Originally posted by reyes the roof
                I do find it a little suspicious how my bullpen minus Edwin Diaz is comprised of mostly guys with ratings in the upper 60s or lower 70s yet they’re so much more reliable than Diaz who has a 92 rating
                I just had a shut down save with Clase, so it looks like he may have just been in a slump and is coming out of it now. So, maybe just a down period for Diaz.
                JUUUUUUUST A BIT OUTSIDE

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                • bkrich83
                  Has Been
                  • Jul 2002
                  • 71577

                  #38
                  Re: I'm gonna say it & it might ruffle some feathers...

                  Originally posted by reyes the roof
                  I do find it a little suspicious how my bullpen minus Edwin Diaz is comprised of mostly guys with ratings in the upper 60s or lower 70s yet they’re so much more reliable than Diaz who has a 92 rating
                  In my experience when up in a tight game in later innings the CPU gets much more aggressive at the plate and you really need to work spots off the plate. That and I believe the Clutch ratings and pitcher confidence effects are magnified.

                  Thus far I'm 22 of 25 in Save Opps with Hader, who has an ERA of about 1.95.
                  Last edited by bkrich83; 06-02-2023, 04:19 PM.
                  Tracking my NCAA Coach Career

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                  • reyes the roof
                    Hall Of Fame
                    • Mar 2009
                    • 11526

                    #39
                    Re: I'm gonna say it & it might ruffle some feathers...

                    Originally posted by jcar0725
                    I just had a shut down save with Clase, so it looks like he may have just been in a slump and is coming out of it now. So, maybe just a down period for Diaz.
                    It’s been a season long issue, I just strung 2 or 3 saves in a row with him and thought I finally snapped out of it but then I blew another before I made my original post. Right now he’s got a 2-6 record with an era around 4 and about ten blown saves. I just found out about two weeks ago that using the schedule to pitch next inning option causes lowered confidence and I had been using that all season so I just think I’m past the point of no return with the confidence and that’s why his pitches end up nowhere near where I want them. Hopefully next season he’s back to normal

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                    • SmashMan
                      All Star
                      • Dec 2004
                      • 9710

                      #40
                      Re: I'm gonna say it & it might ruffle some feathers...

                      Originally posted by reyes the roof
                      I just found out about two weeks ago that using the schedule to pitch next inning option causes lowered confidence and I had been using that all season
                      It does what?!

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                      • bcruise
                        Hall Of Fame
                        • Mar 2004
                        • 23274

                        #41
                        Re: I'm gonna say it & it might ruffle some feathers...

                        Originally posted by SmashMan
                        It does what?!
                        Legacy bug. Treats a pitcher as coming in cold, which results in an instant energy/confidence drop as soon as they enter the game no matter what their warmup status was. Although this may be an unfamiliar situation for most here, it's the reason pitchers can come into one of Diamond Dynasty's 3 inning games at their "max" allowed energy (which is around 50% in those games for relievers) and they'll start with a yellow bar and all the accuracy/performance penalties associated with it. But it affects pitchers in full 9 inning games the same way.

                        It's prevented by making your pitching changes on the bullpen screen. Usually the quick menu works too, but I'd just rather play it safe.

                        It's an old, old bug, probably been happening as long as the schedule to pitch option has existed - I don't know if it ever worked right.

                        I was going to stay out of this thread, but since this topic came up I believe this could be the reason for some of the bullpen woes people experience (not all - sometimes it really is just baseball)
                        Last edited by bcruise; 06-02-2023, 04:59 PM.

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                        • reyes the roof
                          Hall Of Fame
                          • Mar 2009
                          • 11526

                          #42
                          Re: I'm gonna say it & it might ruffle some feathers...

                          Originally posted by SmashMan
                          It does what?!
                          Using the schedule to pitch next inning option has the same effect as bringing a pitcher in without warming up.

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                          • jcar0725
                            "ADAPT OR DIE"
                            • Aug 2010
                            • 3818

                            #43
                            Re: I'm gonna say it & it might ruffle some feathers...

                            Well that's interesting if that's true. I actually have pitcher warm up turned off anyway I've had it that way for years, in case I forget to warm up a RP or CP .
                            JUUUUUUUST A BIT OUTSIDE

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                            • bcruise
                              Hall Of Fame
                              • Mar 2004
                              • 23274

                              #44
                              Re: I'm gonna say it & it might ruffle some feathers...

                              Originally posted by jcar0725
                              Well that's interesting if that's true. I actually have pitcher warm up turned off anyway I've had it that way for years, in case I forget to warm up a RP or CP .
                              This is different - it has nothing to do with that 8 pitch warmup option. You can have that on or off and this will still ding the guy you're bringing in (though throwing strikes in the warmup can help the confidence rebound a bit from that bug, it won't bring back the lost energy)
                              Last edited by bcruise; 06-02-2023, 05:08 PM.

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                              • jcar0725
                                "ADAPT OR DIE"
                                • Aug 2010
                                • 3818

                                #45
                                Re: I'm gonna say it & it might ruffle some feathers...

                                Originally posted by bcruise
                                This is different - it has nothing to do with that 8 pitch warmup option. You can have that on or off and this will still ding the guy you're bringing in.
                                Ah okay got it.
                                JUUUUUUUST A BIT OUTSIDE

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