Draft Discussion - Video of latest draft results

[tessl]

Re: Draft Discussion - Video of latest draft results

This makes no sense and has to be trolling at this point. There are both human and CPU sliders and the CPU gameplay (not decision making) is impacted by those slider changes. Sounds like you just don’t understand how sliders work then.

Also since you are worried about cheating, having “actual progression” would be cheating because there would be no randomness in the draft. You as the human team can always select the players with the highest progression ratings and not leave any left for the CPU and know that you’ll always have the best prospects. Makes absolutely no sense to have progression always pan out.

It's very simple to comprehend. Not sure why you find it so complicated. When the CPU sets lineups, rotations, trades and draft picks the CPU has no idea what you did to sliders.

Do you comprehend?

[Funkycorm]

Re: Draft Discussion - Video of latest draft results

The game assumes pitcher stamina will increase significantly. It never does. Never.

In the video you posted 5 teams wasted their first round pick on a SP will will never be a SP because his stamina is too low and it won't progress in the way the CPU assumes it will when they draft the player in the first round. Not sure why you focus on overall instead of attributes. When a batter steps into the batter's box in manage mode the outcome of the plate appearance is determined by attributes not overall.

It's broken. In order to have a functioning franchise given only 7 draft picks per year for each team the players need to progress. They aren't.

I do want to thank you again for posting the video and would ask when you buy mlbts25 to please post another draft video like this one. This was fantastic and informative.

It's very simple to comprehend. Not sure why you find it so complicated. When the CPU sets lineups, rotations, trades and draft picks the CPU has no idea what you did to sliders.

Do you comprehend?

Players are progressing. I showed that with my numbers. But yes, the lack of stamina increase over the course of seasons is frustrating. But it can grow. I have seen small increases in stamina. But I am done sharing this as this whole thing has become exhausting.

I think the point with sliders is we all know that sliders (outside of the trade and maybe injury slider) do not impact roster management by the CPU. So if this is the scenario and it only affects gameplay, why not adjust the sliders to alleviate the issues you are having. Adjusting user and CPU sliders the same impacts gameplay only. And for the record, each increase of the stamina slider probably allows 10 more pitches to be thrown. And you can adjust starter and reliever separately as well as CPU manager hook. Use the sliders to your advantage to improve your experience.

[JWDixon120]

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I think we can all agree we’d love to see a 2K-esque slider system for progression/regression, sim engine etc. haha


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[tessl]

Re: Draft Discussion - Video of latest draft results

Because "actual progression" does not always match "scouted progression" in real life. Go look at the top prospect list is from 5-10 years ago and compare how many guys did not develop like scouts thought they would. Top prospect lists are always a mixed bag of hits and misses. If the system in MLB the show always got every player right then it wouldn't be realistic.

I don't think anyone is opposed to improvements to the draft - they are just disagreeing that the system is "broken" like you keeping saying.

I'll attempt to explain although it is increasingly apparent I'm wasting my time.

MLB the Show has 7 rounds to the draft and no separate international draft. MLB has 20 rounds I'll post a link to the players signed for each team in the international draft.

https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories/2024-mlb-international-signings-tracker/

Notice for example Boston signed 42 players in the 2024 international draft. In MLB the show the international signings are rolled into the draft along with American players and you only get 7 per team.

With the extremely limited number of players in the MLB the Show draft compared to real MLB the game needs to have better players in the draft in order to sustain a functioning franchise. Not just a little better. A lot better. Either that or replicate the 20 draft picks and international signings.

42 + 20 = 62. MLB the Show = 7.

In the draft video I posted which inspired the op to post his video one team had 4 picks and drafted 4 RP. That's all they get for the year. Instead of 50 or 60 players they get 4 relief pitchers.

MLB teams can have the vast majority of their draft picks and international signs flop and still have enough good players. Can't have that in mlbts because you will have AA the Show instead of MLB the Show in 10 years.

Are you able to comprehend?

[countryboy]

Re: Draft Discussion - Video of latest draft results

I'll attempt to explain although it is increasingly apparent I'm wasting my time.

MLB the Show has 7 rounds to the draft and no separate international draft. MLB has 20 rounds I'll post a link to the players signed for each team in the international draft.

https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories/2024-mlb-international-signings-tracker/

Notice for example Boston signed 42 players in the 2024 international draft. In MLB the show the international signings are rolled into the draft along with American players and you only get 7 per team.

With the extremely limited number of players in the MLB the Show draft compared to real MLB the game needs to have better players in the draft in order to sustain a functioning franchise. Not just a little better. A lot better. Either that or replicate the 20 draft picks and international signings.

42 + 20 = 62. MLB the Show = 7.

In the draft video I posted which inspired the op to post his video one team had 4 picks and drafted 4 RP. That's all they get for the year. Instead of 50 or 60 players they get 4 relief pitchers.

MLB teams can have the vast majority of their draft picks and international signs flop and still have enough good players. Can't have that in mlbts because you will have AA the Show instead of MLB the Show in 10 years.

Are you able to comprehend?

Oh the irony

[MiracleMet718]

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It's very simple to comprehend. Not sure why you find it so complicated. When the CPU sets lineups, rotations, trades and draft picks the CPU has no idea what you did to sliders.

Do you comprehend?

I know what you are saying, it still doesn’t make sense. The sliders impact all players so why does that matter? I could understand if slider changes impacted some players and then I would agree with you. But all the sliders do is slightly tweak the gameplay to either raise or lower aspect of the gameplay for all players. The roster construction and trades have nothing to do with anything because it’s all based on the player attributes, which aren’t changing with sliders. So the CPU decisions are going to be the same no matter what the sliders are.

In regards to your draft conversation, I completely agree that they need more round so we have more realistic amount of prospects being gems/busts. Where we differ is that I find there are too many prospects who pan out over time (if you wait enough years into a franchise), where as you as saying not enough are quality due to actual progression not matching the scouted progression.

As others have shown here, players do progress over time however scouted progression is not supposed to always match actual progression, so there is nothing to fix since it’s working as intended. To your point about not having enough good players, the drafted players do become good enough players, however it may take 4-7 seasons for that to happen, which is in line for average prospects that make it to MLB (usually in their age 24-26 season).

We all understand what you are saying and don’t even disagree to some of the points you are saying, specifically the point about pitcher stamina not progressing and it hurting drafted SP stamina. But when you start talking about sliders and draft progression being broken when it’s not and keep repeating that it’s broken even after it’s been explain why it’s not broken, it means you either don’t understand how it’s supposed to work or more likely don’t like how it works in the game.

[Ghost Of The Year]

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I know what you are saying, it still doesn’t make sense. The sliders impact all players so why does that matter? I could understand if slider changes impacted some players and then I would agree with you. But all the sliders do is slightly tweak the gameplay to either raise or lower aspect of the gameplay for all players. The roster construction and trades have nothing to do with anything because it’s all based on the player attributes, which aren’t changing with sliders. So the CPU decisions are going to be the same no matter what the sliders are.

I think the only time the cpu is at a real disadvantage is when you drop difficulty level all the way down to beginner. So Sony should leave sliders in the game but fix their game where it only needs one default veteran level. No HOF, no Legend, definitely no rookie or beginner, thats for sure cheating.

:googlyeyes:

[Funkycorm]

Re: Draft Discussion - Video of latest draft results

I know what you are saying, it still doesn’t make sense. The sliders impact all players so why does that matter? I could understand if slider changes impacted some players and then I would agree with you. But all the sliders do is slightly tweak the gameplay to either raise or lower aspect of the gameplay for all players. The roster construction and trades have nothing to do with anything because it’s all based on the player attributes, which aren’t changing with sliders. So the CPU decisions are going to be the same no matter what the sliders are.

In regards to your draft conversation, I completely agree that they need more round so we have more realistic amount of prospects being gems/busts. Where we differ is that I find there are too many prospects who pan out over time (if you wait enough years into a franchise), where as you as saying not enough are quality due to actual progression not matching the scouted progression.

As others have shown here, players do progress over time however scouted progression is not supposed to always match actual progression, so there is nothing to fix since it’s working as intended. To your point about not having enough good players, the drafted players do become good enough players, however it may take 4-7 seasons for that to happen, which is in line for average prospects that make it to MLB (usually in their age 24-26 season).

We all understand what you are saying and don’t even disagree to some of the points you are saying, specifically the point about pitcher stamina not progressing and it hurting drafted SP stamina. But when you start talking about sliders and draft progression being broken when it’s not and keep repeating that it’s broken even after it’s been explain why it’s not broken, it means you either don’t understand how it’s supposed to work or more likely don’t like how it works in the game.

Oh absolutely too many players turn out good. I have been studying the progression and potentials in this game since MLB 17 and honestly potentials have had to be toned down in draft classes for a long time. It is better now but still needs a bit of toning down.

I am honestly confused how someone thinks this system is fully broken. I think it needs to be improved. Especially prospect generation for C, 1B, and 3B.

[Funkycorm]

Re: Draft Discussion - Video of latest draft results

We absolutely need 125 player rosters and more rounds in the draft.

[CBoller1331]

Re: Draft Discussion - Video of latest draft results

I'll attempt to explain although it is increasingly apparent I'm wasting my time.

MLB the Show has 7 rounds to the draft and no separate international draft. MLB has 20 rounds I'll post a link to the players signed for each team in the international draft.

https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories/2024-mlb-international-signings-tracker/

Notice for example Boston signed 42 players in the 2024 international draft. In MLB the show the international signings are rolled into the draft along with American players and you only get 7 per team.

With the extremely limited number of players in the MLB the Show draft compared to real MLB the game needs to have better players in the draft in order to sustain a functioning franchise. Not just a little better. A lot better. Either that or replicate the 20 draft picks and international signings.

42 + 20 = 62. MLB the Show = 7.

In the draft video I posted which inspired the op to post his video one team had 4 picks and drafted 4 RP. That's all they get for the year. Instead of 50 or 60 players they get 4 relief pitchers.

MLB teams can have the vast majority of their draft picks and international signs flop and still have enough good players. Can't have that in mlbts because you will have AA the Show instead of MLB the Show in 10 years.

Are you able to comprehend?

I agree that we need more rounds and/or an international free agency period to get more new players into the player pool each year - I think we will need expanded rosters before that happens.

However, that is not the point you have been arguing throughout this whole ordeal, so please spare me the condescending "Are you able to comprehend?" when you haven't articulated a valid point until now

[IndianSummer]

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Sheesh……some folks might need to work some of this out in therapy.

[pbie]

Re: Draft Discussion - Video of latest draft results

I'm still playing The Show 21, so the 20/80 scale is still present during scouting. Does anyone know what value corresponds to 'average' (50)?
For example, if a prospect is projected to have average or 50 power, what would his power rating be if we assume the scout is correct.
Also, would the average values be the same for all the rating categories?

[Funkycorm]

Re: Draft Discussion - Video of latest draft results

I'm still playing The Show 21, so the 20/80 scale is still present during scouting. Does anyone know what value corresponds to 'average' (50)?
For example, if a prospect is projected to have average or 50 power, what would his power rating be if we assume the scout is correct.
Also, would the average values be the same for all the rating categories?

For most individual attributes, the average is around 62.

[tessl]

Re: Draft Discussion - Video of latest draft results

I know what you are saying, it still doesn’t make sense. The sliders impact all players so why does that matter? I could understand if slider changes impacted some players and then I would agree with you. But all the sliders do is slightly tweak the gameplay to either raise or lower aspect of the gameplay for all players. The roster construction and trades have nothing to do with anything because it’s all based on the player attributes, which aren’t changing with sliders. So the CPU decisions are going to be the same no matter what the sliders are.

In regards to your draft conversation, I completely agree that they need more round so we have more realistic amount of prospects being gems/busts. Where we differ is that I find there are too many prospects who pan out over time (if you wait enough years into a franchise), where as you as saying not enough are quality due to actual progression not matching the scouted progression.

As others have shown here, players do progress over time however scouted progression is not supposed to always match actual progression, so there is nothing to fix since it’s working as intended. To your point about not having enough good players, the drafted players do become good enough players, however it may take 4-7 seasons for that to happen, which is in line for average prospects that make it to MLB (usually in their age 24-26 season).

We all understand what you are saying and don’t even disagree to some of the points you are saying, specifically the point about pitcher stamina not progressing and it hurting drafted SP stamina. But when you start talking about sliders and draft progression being broken when it’s not and keep repeating that it’s broken even after it’s been explain why it’s not broken, it means you either don’t understand how it’s supposed to work or more likely don’t like how it works in the game.

In the video posted by the op 5 first round draft picks were wasted on SP who will never be SP because their stamina is too low. OP did not show the scouted progression but I guarantee it showed stamina would significantly increase when in fact it only decreases over time. If you bump the slider for stamina then pitchers currently with 80's stamina become Warren Spahn with 20+ complete games and you can't get to the bullpen.

I'll quit. Nobody gets it including the developers.

For the OP or anybody else when you get mlbts25 please post another draft video so I can see whether they have changed it. Thank you very much.

[MiracleMet718]

Re: Draft Discussion - Video of latest draft results

In the video posted by the op 5 first round draft picks were wasted on SP who will never be SP because their stamina is too low. OP did not show the scouted progression but I guarantee it showed stamina would significantly increase when in fact it only decreases over time. If you bump the slider for stamina then pitchers currently with 80's stamina become Warren Spahn with 20+ complete games and you can't get to the bullpen.

I'll quit. Nobody gets it including the developers.

For the OP or anybody else when you get mlbts25 please post another draft video so I can see whether they have changed it. Thank you very much.

No need to quit, this actually explained it the best out of all of your posts. I wish you would’ve just used the example first and saved us some back and forth.

As I said before, I completely agree with the SP and speed attributes needing to have progression fixed. The slider for stamina doesn’t impact as much as you’d think, especially if you adjust the CPU Hook slider to offset it, but I 100% agree that stamina needs to be fixed. Either start with higher stamina attributes or allow them to progress over time, especially as a pitchers gets through the early years of the minors.