Draft Discussion - Video of latest draft results

[tessl]

Re: Draft Discussion - Video of latest draft results

I feel like the “broken” “too low” stamina may actually be by design. For played games and for real players to have higher OVR the devs give players higher stamina out of the box. But when simming this leads to more complete games and more players with 200+ innings being pitched than is the current norm. However, since 99% of the people who go multiple years deep into franchise are simming they don’t need to have starters with high stamina. Having starters with lower stamina may actually lead to more “realistic” stats. I’m mostly just being devils advocate here, but my point is: just because something doesn’t work the way I think it should work doesn’t mean it’s broken.

If you want a sim play ootp. This has fantastic on field graphics. It's not a sim.

[tessl]

Re: Draft Discussion - Video of latest draft results

Also, and this is Purely anecdotal, but the most recent pitcher is was scouting had scouted current stamina of between 70-92 and projected of between 72-94 so that’s actually only a 2 point projected progression

Watch the video again. 5 first round picks had poor stamina. Not projected - actual stamina. Cardinals first round pick had 59 stamina. That's only a small part of the problem. The other is players with D potential first round who won't progress. I detailed every first round pick and the problems with most of them.

[CBoller1331]

Re: Draft Discussion - Video of latest draft results

I think this thread has run its course (probably did a long time ago)

[Funkycorm]

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If you want a sim play ootp. This has fantastic on field graphics. It's not a sim.

Okay. Seriously... You can't tell another player how to play the game... It is not cool...

[SmashMan]

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Okay. Seriously... You can't tell another player how to play the game... It is not cool...

At this point it's either trolling for attention or someone with an incredible sense of entitlement.

[countryboy]

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Watch the video again. 5 first round picks had poor stamina. Not projected - actual stamina. Cardinals first round pick had 59 stamina. That's only a small part of the problem. The other is players with D potential first round who won't progress. I detailed every first round pick and the problems with most of them.

What video are you talking about?

First, I'm the Cardinals. I didn't draft a SP in the first round with a 59 stamina and D potential.

Next, 2 of the 30 picks in the first round has a D potential rating. That is beauty of the draft in that sometimes you miss, and sometimes like the Dodgers (last pick 20 year old closer with 92 potential) you hit and find a hidden gem. There are no guarantees, nor should there be, on how a prospect is going to develop.

Finally, D potential rating players do develop. I've seen it numerous times over the course of franchise play and even seen some D potential players progress so well that their potential rating increases to a C. I've also seen potential ratings decline due to players playing poorly.

[0blong00]

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I don’t know why I engaged.

[Jeffrey Smith]

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I don’t know why I engaged.

You’re getting married?

Congrats!!!

[IndianSummer]

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Amazing how you can walk away from the forums for a bit and when you return you really didn’t miss much.
Same folks just new complaints.

[tessl]

Re: Draft Discussion - Video of latest draft results

What video are you talking about?

First, I'm the Cardinals. I didn't draft a SP in the first round with a 59 stamina and D potential.

Next, 2 of the 30 picks in the first round has a D potential rating. That is beauty of the draft in that sometimes you miss, and sometimes like the Dodgers (last pick 20 year old closer with 92 potential) you hit and find a hidden gem. There are no guarantees, nor should there be, on how a prospect is going to develop.

Finally, D potential rating players do develop. I've seen it numerous times over the course of franchise play and even seen some D potential players progress so well that their potential rating increases to a C. I've also seen potential ratings decline due to players playing poorly.

This video which preceded and apparently inspired you video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4zgCFeEr2I

In you video Pirates drafted a SP with 57 stamina didn't they?

I would greatly appreciate a month from now simming to the draft and posting a similar video. This was informative because they changed nothing from 23 to 24. Perhaps 25 will be the year or as I strongly suspect the developer use sim stats instead of playing the game they sell and therefore don't see a problem because the sim engine and game engine are not the same.

[Funkycorm]

Re: Draft Discussion - Video of latest draft results

Some interesting information that will contribute to this topic.

In Cycloniac's roster thread, someone shared a video where a YouTuber talked to the SDS devs about progression and regression.

Though progression and regression were not changed this year, some interesting information was confirmed.

-Regression starts at age 31

-So natural progression then was essentially confirmed to happen until the age of 30.

-Stats play a role in this system.

-A higher potential for 31+ year olds can slow regression.


Now some of this we knew and assumed but it is interesting to have it confirmed. And this does have ramifications on this conversation.


This essentially shows us that an 18 year old drafted would progress until age 30. This means that a draft pick can get 9-12 years of progression. Something to keep in mind as we assess draft classes.

[tessl]

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I'll piggyback on countryboy's thread. Hope he doesn't mind. A couple people wanted me to sim ahead and see results.

It appears from the Ant Ortiz video that progression hasn't changed and there was no mention in the franchise deep dive about any changes to player quality in the draft. Therefore I expect 25 to replicate these results. I simmed my mlbts23 franchise to the end of 2035. Filtered for a few relevant attributes and then compared the end of 2035 to the beginning of 2023.

I chose vs rhp because 70% of MLB plate appearance are vs rhp and I didn't want to do too much although I could if someone wants to see it I suppose.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuYwJO9C8LQ

2035

con/r power/r 80+ = 2 drafted players
con/r vision/r 80+ = 12 drafted players
con/r 80 vision/r 70 = 34 drafted players
Stamina 80 h/9 70 = 14 pitchers

2023

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9yldmHfpjs

con/r power/r 80+ = 13
con/r vision/r 80+ = 13
con/r 80 vision/r 70 = 29
Stamina 80 h/9 70 = 54

Line drive hitters about the same. 13 vs 12 and 29 vs 34.
Power hitters 13 vs 2 significant decline.
Quality starting pitchers 54 vs 14 significant decline.

[LegendKillerOne]

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I'll piggyback on countryboy's thread. Hope he doesn't mind. A couple people wanted me to sim ahead and see results.

It appears from the Ant Ortiz video that progression hasn't changed and there was no mention in the franchise deep dive about any changes to player quality in the draft. Therefore I expect 25 to replicate these results. I simmed my mlbts23 franchise to the end of 2035. Filtered for a few relevant attributes and then compared the end of 2035 to the beginning of 2023.

I chose vs rhp because 70% of MLB plate appearance are vs rhp and I didn't want to do too much although I could if someone wants to see it I suppose.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuYwJO9C8LQ

2035

con/r power/r 80+ = 2 drafted players
con/r vision/r 80+ = 12 drafted players
con/r 80 vision/r 70 = 34 drafted players
Stamina 80 h/9 70 = 14 pitchers

2023

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9yldmHfpjs

con/r power/r 80+ = 13
con/r vision/r 80+ = 13
con/r 80 vision/r 70 = 29
Stamina 80 h/9 70 = 54

Line drive hitters about the same. 13 vs 12 and 29 vs 34.
Power hitters 13 vs 2 significant decline.
Quality starting pitchers 54 vs 14 significant decline.

Good information. I think with the game model the way it is built certain things are just going to be the way they going to be. Whether that is the draft results, bullpen issues. It might be where to fix those things they need to completly scrap what is under the hood and start over which might not be something they want to do until the next system cycle since this one is in the back half now.

[Funkycorm]

Re: Draft Discussion - Video of latest draft results

I'll piggyback on countryboy's thread. Hope he doesn't mind. A couple people wanted me to sim ahead and see results.

It appears from the Ant Ortiz video that progression hasn't changed and there was no mention in the franchise deep dive about any changes to player quality in the draft. Therefore I expect 25 to replicate these results. I simmed my mlbts23 franchise to the end of 2035. Filtered for a few relevant attributes and then compared the end of 2035 to the beginning of 2023.

I chose vs rhp because 70% of MLB plate appearance are vs rhp and I didn't want to do too much although I could if someone wants to see it I suppose.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuYwJO9C8LQ

2035

con/r power/r 80+ = 2 drafted players
con/r vision/r 80+ = 12 drafted players
con/r 80 vision/r 70 = 34 drafted players
Stamina 80 h/9 70 = 14 pitchers

2023

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9yldmHfpjs

con/r power/r 80+ = 13
con/r vision/r 80+ = 13
con/r 80 vision/r 70 = 29
Stamina 80 h/9 70 = 54

Line drive hitters about the same. 13 vs 12 and 29 vs 34.
Power hitters 13 vs 2 significant decline.
Quality starting pitchers 54 vs 14 significant decline.

Using the arbitrary attribute ratings you selected here.

In my 2034 file:

Contact R/Power R (80/80): 14
Contact R/Vision (80/80): 21
Contact R/Vision (80/70): 39
Stamina/H9 (80/70): 49

My numbers are much different which does show some RNG.

My arbitrary rating numbers would be lower than yours.

Also, more L handed hitters have these 80 ratings. You didn't include the contact L and power L, which actually boosted my numbers above even more if I were to include them. An 80 in these attribute ratings is considered to be all Star caliber. Going down to 75 for these numbers will likely show a lot of above average player attributes as well and give a much better overview of the health of the franchise.

Note these numbers are even with lowering potential of draft picks every season to keep inflation of ratings in line and to help the CPU better manage their rosters.

Just sharing so there is more than one set of numbers. If we get more to share, we can find a better average for these.

[MiracleMet718]

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In order to find some level of comfortable data, you have to run like 25-30 ( ideally 50 if you could) franchises and then see the mix and max for both and average out the findings. Simming one franchise run over 15 years isn’t going to give you all of the possibilities of the dice roll.