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Re: SDS ban hammer thousdans for exploit
According to the man they have been watching you :I have been banned and I have never even been on the community market website ever. I have as some previous posters used bronze players for feed missions which if their system allows I feel is fair game. If they didn't want people doing that they should have limited the amount of bronze players to a number of feed uses. I also have bought a few rookie flashbacks and sold them back on the market for a nice return a few times but I thought flipping cards was perfectly acceptable so I'm very confused as to what got me banned as well. Needless to say I am very frustrated/ disappointed in SCEA.
I do get what they are trying to do here but I am proof that users have been wrongfully banned. This gets resolved or this is the last show game I ever buy. 
I'm not a Twitter guy, anybody have an email to reach them at so I can try and figure out what exactly I'm accused of doing wrong? Thanks
The accounts in question were investigated for weeks and banned accordingly. This has nothing to do with playing the market, flipping cards, hoarding cards, playing the Yeti's, Missions glitch, system in standby mode etc. It was a deliberate action that resulted in the user acquiring (sometimes) tens of millions of stubs giving them an unfair advantage and compromising our legitimate player base.
So if they were watching all these people for weeks why not send a friendly message, we on to you stop it...Comment
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Re: SDS ban hammer thousdans for exploit
I've gone through a bunch of the stuff on TSN forums and can't find anybody who was banned for bunt %. After Victor_SDS posted about cheating in BR (regarding DOS attacks) a few people misinterpreted his comments to include bunt cheese and "refusal to throw strikes" as cheating. Victor_SDS didn't address the misinformation and it definitely was spreading.
I was starting to wonder if maybe there were a variety of ban types going on at once, but Victor_SDS posted in one "why was I banned" thread:
"There was an exploit related to cancelling transactions on the marketplace. If someone took advantage of this exploit egregiously, their ID would have been flagged and banned. Flipping cards on the market is not an offense. Buying and quick selling is not an offense. It had more process than just cancelling an order."
The OP stopped posting after that.
You make a good point about "the threshold for cheating". It goes back to the false positives issue, since someone could theoretically do this accidentally. Cancel an order on your PC, swap to the PS4, notice the order is still there, decide you must have mis-clicked, but it was really a huge server lag? You might not notice that you got your 40 stubs refunded twice. SDS probably has the system calibrated to err on the side of double-refunding when the system gets confused, because they'd rather generate some free stubs than have to take the customer service calls. That'd throw a clear false positive. Well, what if that happened twice? Three times? At what point does it stop being random, and starts being a pattern of deliberate behaviour?
They could have gone zero-tolerance; inadvertent theft is still theft, the onus is on the user to notice and report the extra stubs. That's a bad experience for, potentially, a lot of people. As they move the tolerance up, fewer false positives happen but it also allows more false negatives (actual cheaters that escape the ban wave). They clearly attempted to set a very liberal threshold, such that if only the worst cheaters were punished, there ought not be any legit users accidentally flagged. (Whether they succeeded in that goal is a separate discussion.)
Here's an analogy you may enjoy: Cory Doctorow, discussing airport security theatre, suggests, what if there were a device that could detect terrorists and shoot them in the head if they tried to board an airplane? Would you use it? Now - what if that device detected 100% of terrorists, but it flagged one innocent passenger out of every ten thousand, and killed them as well? Would you still use it? One in 100,000? What rate of false positives would you find acceptable?Comment
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Re: SDS ban hammer thousdans for exploit
You probably wouldn't have noticed 40 stubs here and there. But when people are making millions of stubs doing this I'm not buying I didn't notice it excuse.Comment
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Yeah yeah, that's what I'm saying - they got the guys that made hundreds of thousands of stubs, and the 40-stub guys should be untouched. What about the guy that did it once to see if it would work? Maybe he should get banned, I dunno.
Dad who shares an account with his son says, "hey - why do we have an extra 10k stubs?" followed by "that's wrong, don't do it again". Maybe they should get banned. I'm not being facetious; I'm prepared to concede the argument either way. I'm glad I don't have to make that decision.
The issue is complicated, though, because the devs can't see the behaviours. They can only see the data. Dataset A looks like cheating, dataset B looks like an accident, dataset C... could go either way. How confident does SDS need to be that dataset C is a cheater ban their account? The lower the confidence, the more cheaters get banned... and the more non-cheaters get banned as well.Comment
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I really don't understand why people are trying to use their transaction history as proof of their innocence. If the exploit involves canceling orders, what would a list of completed orders prove?
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I would think that they should be able to calculate how many stubs a player has earned from transactions, from playing games, how much they've spent buying stubs, how many stubs they received with pre-order editions, et cetera and compare that to how many stubs the player earned in total to see what, if any, difference there is.Comment
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I still think this is a blunder from a PR perspective. If they have been monitoring people for weeks and notice certain accounts making a little extra here and there, then give them a slap on the wrist message. If the behavior persist then ban the account. This random post with a lot of ambiguity about no-no's the day before massive bans, and with no time to correct past actions or behavior, was a little chicken ****. Then not taking the time to answer the user questions with specifics is even more unprofessional. They obviously look the data up to give the generic you did the exploit x times for $x.xx to make the top 1%, so call them out and give the examples. Finally I think there should be a general email that anyone can send an inquiry to see if they are in the 99% or done some other action worth banning, might not get an immediate response but eventually.
I'm not touching the pandora box of killing terrorist...Comment
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Garbage in garbage out.
They serendipitously removed a bad spending habit from me and I should thank them, but I resent being accused of cheating.
They can keep my account banned from now until kingdom come.Comment
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Re: SDS ban hammer thousdans for exploit
Why should users get a slap on the wrist for exploiting the game? If someone is cheating and knowingly exploiting the game. You shouldn't get a warning or a second chance. You took that risk. Deal with the consequences. (Not saying you, saying anyone caught)
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The important words there are "knowingly."
I have been banned and I never took any action designed to get me free stubs. For one thing, just like last year, I am able to steadily collect cards and complete my sets just by playing the market. And my transaction history will show I spend hundreds of hours on the game doing just that.
I cannot accept that you would believe that if there were a few transactions here and there that triggered the glitch that I did so on purpose.
Again, I am certain you will find two groups of players caught up in this:
Group 1:
Cancelled queue of buy orders from computer that contained both buys and sells;
The buy orders were set at the current market price;
The queue was not re-set and then re-deleted after this happened - in other words, this "glitch" would only appear randomly for these people within their history.
These are not intentional cheaters.
Group 2:
Cancelled queue of buy orders from computer that contained only buy orders;
Buy orders were for well above market price (meaning, they were not intending them to actually go through);
The queue was re-set and then re-deleted, and so on - accumulating stubs over and over.
These are the cheaters.
Both groups would be marked by the sweep.
Many people on these forums and others (and many who we know in real life, etc.) are heavy traders and have the profile of Group 1 - yet without any chance to find out what exactly triggered the ban, and without knowing the methodology (or even that the actual data was further analyzed to determine which Group the player belongs in) we cannot be confident of the result.
As of now, I am certain most of the banned posters are simply high-volume traders and a small percentage are straight cheaters.
So, you are saying to all those that were caught "deal with it, you deserve it," when it is clear a number of people swept up in this were not cheating.
Just saying SDS can do whatever they want per the TOC doesn't mean that what they are doing is valid. In this case, they have not been transparent as to what they have detected and how they can be sure they have filtered out Group 1's from being banned. Instead, they (at least per Ramone) simply say, "we are 100% sure" yet they do not elaborate one bit on why they are so sure. And again, these people who claim they are 100% sure are the same people that developed the game with many bugs (not complaining) and many glitches - including stubs and card giveaway glitches. I don't believe SDS has earned the right to simply say, "It is - because we say so."Last edited by oski96; 06-28-2016, 11:56 PM.Comment
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Re: SDS ban hammer thousdans for exploit
I play the market aggressively. On phone, computer and in game. I have not been banned. So I'm sure it's not just certain ways I have deleted orders compared to how others have. I have posted 20 order At a time. And deleted them instantly. Or flipped cards while in game from my phone. Tons of people claiming to have done nothing wrong. But have been banned. So obviously there is something different then the way my friends and I have all used the market opposed to how you and the other "innocent claimers" may have done.
But to my original post. If you knowingly did it. Deal with it. For you or anyone else who may actually be innocent. I hope justice prevails. But the TOC covers there *** to do as they will. If you feel like you have been wronged. Do the smart thing. Boycott the product.
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