Top 5 Center Fielders in MLB09 The Show

[JoeRyan33]

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So he is the better player because he is the better contact hitter.

Gotcha.

"contact hitter" Josh Hamilton, you're confusing yourself.

[OSUFan_88]

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You can use anecdotes all day...

Hamilton rakes at a higher clip, and plays better D. End of.

Okay, so he hits for average and has a better range factor.

Gotcha.

[TeixeiraFanatic]

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Please refer to the stats. They're there for a reason.

Okay then.

Last year Hamilton had 32 home-runs and 130 RBI batting 3rd on a team with Michael Young and Ian Kinsler in front of him having a .339 and .375 OBS respectively while playing at Texas for half of his games.

Sizemore hit 33 home-runs and 90 RBI batting lead-off and playing at Progressive Field for half of his games.

Are you happy?

[JoeRyan33]

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Okay, so he hits for average and has a better range factor.

Gotcha.

You forgot his superior slugging percentage and the old "lighttower power" that the scouts drool over... but then we're not going with the anecdotal and opinions here.

Oh, Hamilton's arm is better too. Let's not short change the lad.

[JoeRyan33]

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Okay then.

Last year Hamilton had 32 home-runs and 130 RBI batting 3rd on a team with Michael Young and Ian Kinsler in front of him having a .339 and .375 OBS respectively while playing at Texas for half of his games.

Sizemore hit 33 home-runs and 90 RBI batting lead-off and playing at Progressive Field for half of his games.

Are you happy?

RBIs are a BS stat. Hamilton had more of those, but I'd never use it to argue a point.

[TeixeiraFanatic]

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How are RBI a BS stat exactly?

[PsychoBulk]

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No Grandy is a shame but those who understand the game realise these ratings really arent the be all and end all.

[Double Deuce]

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How are RBI a BS stat exactly?

Because they're highly based on what players AROUND the player in question are doing.

Say A-Rod gets 120 RBI this year in the middle of that Yankee lineup. Now say he got traded to the Padres before the season. How many RBI would he have then? A lot less. Because the players around him will not be on base nearly as often for him to drive in.

That's why RBI is generally not a strong stat to hang your argument on.

[JoeRyan33]

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How are RBI a BS stat exactly?

They're subjective, therefore useless for this discussion.

[TeixeiraFanatic]

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Because they're highly based on what players AROUND the player in question are doing.

Say A-Rod gets 120 RBI this year in the middle of that Yankee lineup. Now say he got traded to the Padres before the season. How many RBI would he have then? A lot less. Because the players around him will not be on base nearly as often for him to drive in.

That's why RBI is generally not a strong stat to hang your argument on.

Well i was kinda going after that trying to point out that if Hamilton was traded to the Indians he would have a lot less RBI. He has a great hitting team around him, something Sizemore doesn't necessarily have but still drives in 90 RBI while batting lead-off.

[Brewhaha]

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They're subjective, therefore useless for this discussion.

RBIs are subjective?

[Jamal G.]

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Holy sh*t, I completely forgot about Nate. He carried my fantasy team last year. Good call out.

Not only was Nate McLouth the worst defensive center fielder in baseball, but he posted a .257/.331/.437 vital line from June 1st throughout the end of the season.

[TeixeiraFanatic]

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Not only was Nate McLouth the worst defensive center fielder in baseball, but he posted a .257/.331/.437 vital line from June 1st throughout the end of the season.

How is having a .997 fielding percentage make you the worst defensive center fielder in baseball?

[uraz3r0]

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How is having a .997 fielding percentage make you the worst defensive center fielder in baseball?

Because that statistic supports playing lazy defense, only playing balls that you for sure can catch.

I personally think Sizemore is better because of his defense and speed. As a hitter he's not far from Hamilton.

[JoeRyan33]

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Well i was kinda going after that trying to point out that if Hamilton was traded to the Indians he would have a lot less RBI. He has a great hitting team around him, something Sizemore doesn't necessarily have but still drives in 90 RBI while batting lead-off.

It's better than RBIs aren't mentioned. To say he wouldn't do A or B on the Indians is all fluff.

The fact is that Hamilton has come into the game after being away and inactive for a number of years and raked at a higher clip than Sizemore. There's no arguing with what he has done with the bat, which in all seriousness, accounts for the greatest part of the game.

Defensively, he has a higher range factor. I take those defensive stats with a grain of salt, as I don't think they quite measure defensive ability or performance as well as your more traditional approaches. So, if you want to go by opinions, Hamilton's an excellent fielder with a hose.

As a base runner, Hamilton's probably not as good.

If you want to pull up the old sabermetric favorite of RC27, Hamilton topped all AL centerfielders last year.