Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

**Segagendude** · 03-09-2009, 02:35 PM

re: Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

Originally posted by Trinity120

nice explanation, thanks! but when by just tapping it Zambrano has pitch 6 inning, only allowed 2 hits, 1 walk and 8 strikeouts... i think i'll just tap x lol... holding it and knowing when to release will get confusing and too much thinking involved haha

Have you tried other lesser known pitchers with Classic? Betcha you'll see less then steller results.......Zambrano's a beast in this game. Try an unknown rookie.........hehe.

**boblight24** · 03-09-2009, 09:36 PM

re: Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

Up 6-3 in Houston, bottom of the 7th. I just hit back to back HRs with Loney and Manny and scored another in the top of the 7th. I double switch my most confident and rested reliever and in about 2 minutes it's 9-6 Astros. I am throwing low and away and all of sudden we've got homers (by ABoone) going the opposite way, Berkman (who is a monster) hits a low and away changeup about 470 feet. I finally just quit and the final score was 11-9 Astros. I don't know what else to do. I am using Trinity120's sliders and just can't hold leads no matter what and it's starting to annoy.

**Ryan1021** · 03-09-2009, 11:46 PM

re: Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

Originally posted by boblight24

Up 6-3 in Houston, bottom of the 7th. I just hit back to back HRs with Loney and Manny and scored another in the top of the 7th. I double switch my most confident and rested reliever and in about 2 minutes it's 9-6 Astros. I am throwing low and away and all of sudden we've got homers (by ABoone) going the opposite way, Berkman (who is a monster) hits a low and away changeup about 470 feet. I finally just quit and the final score was 11-9 Astros. I don't know what else to do. I am using Trinity120's sliders and just can't hold leads no matter what and it's starting to annoy.

The ai can get to be pretty ridiculous at times. Similar situation have happened to me before. The way I figure the ai knows what pitch you are throwing every time. Depending on the difficulty and their score in the game determines how much they want to humor you and pretend they don't. It is the same concept with football games when the ai knows when you are running and when you are passing regardless of what formation you are in and the number of audibles you call.

**Segagendude** · 03-10-2009, 02:19 AM

re: Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

Originally posted by Ryan1021

The ai can get to be pretty ridiculous at times. Similar situation have happened to me before. The way I figure the ai knows what pitch you are throwing every time. Depending on the difficulty and their score in the game determines how much they want to humor you and pretend they don't. It is the same concept with football games when the ai knows when you are running and when you are passing regardless of what formation you are in and the number of audibles you call.

I'm starting to see this as well......

Granted, I'm playing as the Tribe in Veteran Season mode, but twice I've had big leads: 5-1, and 7-3, respectfully, only to lose both: 6-5, and 8-7, between innings 8 and 9.
I regret saying this, and flame me if you must, but if this isn't corrected in a patch, I may be returning the game and going back to 08. When is a lead safe? 19-1??? Runs are hard enough for me to get.
And I can throw the "perfect" sliders, curves, whatever and it doesn't matter, the other teams are teeing off on me, even after I bring in my closers.
Frustrating.......
Tried Trinity's sliders, but now back to default, BTW.

**thaSLAB** · 03-10-2009, 04:01 AM

re: Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

OK, I hate to say it, but I am seeing this now... some of the things I saw in 5 games today were ridiculous. Im not sure what to think. IMO something is going on with the difficulty levels.

**DarthRambo** · 03-10-2009, 04:23 AM

re: Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

i knew it wasnt just me! ive changed my sliders some and reposted for those interested... will edit few things i lowered tmrw. but i still see leads late vanish at times. the biggest problem is not the runs scored, but usually they're un earned runs! its like they decide to make an error at the worst time, and almost always leads to runs!

another thing thats really bothering is why do on key big double play balls, the guy throwing to 1st drops the ball constantly??!!? its sooo frustrating, ive seen jeter drop it, rollins drop it... among many others.. it all starts and leads to this amazing 2 out rallies...

another thing the gm does is ur fielder will bobble grounders b4 getting control of it. sometimes runner is safe at first and/or stops u from turning a double play! its pretty ridiculous if u ask me, especially the amount of dropped balls by 2b and ss when attempting to turn one.

i feel like im so close tho to not fixing it, but learning how to play around it. its weird cuz ive never gotten a blown save, when they come back late its 7th or 8th innings. but i think the reliever stamina bar is broke... i dont even pay attention to it now. i will bring one in just to get 1 guy out now sometimes.

**Segagendude** · 03-10-2009, 04:42 AM

!!!

Okay, I'm closer to returning this game than before!

It happened again!!!

Tribe up, 8-3, against Detroit.
Bottom of the eighth, I bring in a warmed-up Kobayashi.
he gives up three singles to load the bases! Then, I bring in Betencourt. Two more singles, plus a fielding error by Peralta.
8-5 now.....
Finally get out of the eighth.
Detroit's home half of the ninth inning.....I bring in
Wood.......

Single............double....then a three run HR!!!!!

8-8 now...........I simmed to the end, because my blood pressure was rising from anger.
Final box score-----Detroit 9, CLE 8.

I still haven't won a game, and this one was promising.

I really think this is going back, folks. I can't take this comeback stuff anymore.

Graphically, the game is outstanding. But that wears off quickly when this $&@*$ happens!

Oh, and before anyone says it, I've already bumped down the level AGAIN to Rookie, and this still happened.

**DarthRambo** · 03-10-2009, 10:13 AM

re: Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

i wonder if the AI comeback feature is backwards?? meaning if u turned it on, it would actually be off. anyone try this?

**HustlinOwl** · 03-10-2009, 10:14 AM

re: Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

Originally posted by Trinity120

i wonder if the AI comeback feature is backwards?? meaning if u turned it on, it would actually be off. anyone try this?

I tried and not the case at all.

**magoo1967** · 03-10-2009, 11:44 AM

re: Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

There is definitely some kind of BS come back AI going on even with the setting turned OFF. Every game I play, no matter how much I'm leading by, no matter who's pitching, no matter what...the CPU ALWAYS stages a late inning comeback. I could be pitching a 1 or 2 hitter through 8 innings, bring in Mariano Rivera in the 9th (or anybody for that matter), he will get the first one or two guys out then suddenly the absurdity kicks in, hit-hit-error-hit-hit, blown call, etc. I realize that this happens in real baseball on occasion, but it is happening 98% of the time with one of the best closers in history, not very realistic at all. Sometimes I purposely try to throw the ball 2 feet outside and magically the CPU makes perfect contact, or the perfect double play grounder that always seems to get dropped, or if not there is a throwing error that ruins the DP (and all runners are now conveniently in scoring position), pitches taken by the CPU that are in the strike zone are repeatedly called balls, tags by my defense that clearly show on the replay that were made for an out, are called safe. It seems that suddenly the CPU gets to make 6 outs instead of 3. I've tried adjusting sliders like crazy, changing difficulty levels, but nothing works. I really want to love this game, but so far this nonsense along with the broken CPU roster control is completely ruining it for me. Every day I play, I go in with a positive outlook, "today will be different, I'm going to have a well played fun game" and inevitably this s*** starts happening and I just want to throw the disc in the garbage.

**Speedy** · 03-10-2009, 11:54 AM

re: Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

How many threads are going to be started about CPU comeback logic?

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...d-ai-game.html

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...chup-mode.html

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...en-anyone.html

**DarthRambo** · 03-10-2009, 12:22 PM

re: Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

Maybe until a patch comes out to fix it? lol

The dropped double play grounders and throwing errors kills it for me more than anything

**bcruise** · 03-10-2009, 12:24 PM

re: Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

Originally posted by WakeUnc2321

How many threads are going to be started about CPU comeback logic?

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...d-ai-game.html

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...chup-mode.html

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...en-anyone.html

It's all over the impressions thread too.

**ChicagoSparty** · 03-10-2009, 12:30 PM

re: Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

Originally posted by WakeUnc2321

How many threads are going to be started about CPU comeback logic?

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...d-ai-game.html

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...chup-mode.html

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...en-anyone.html

Some of the stuff I have seen happen is a bit curious. Though I freely admit that given the sample size, it could just be coincidental, it's a little disconcerting that so many people are seeing the exact same type of thing happen.

**wsu_gb23** · 03-10-2009, 12:35 PM

re: Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

I think people need to get over it. It's called baseball....if you give up runs, take your pitcher out, he's probably tired. If there are errors, maybe your team is young and commits a lot of errors. I really do not want SCEA to take the sim out of baseball to please a few people who cannot stand losing a game or two.

Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

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