Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

[eyeamg0dly]

Re: Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

Why would I keep him in the game? Maybe my bullpen is bad? Maybe it only took me 58 pitches. Maybe I just want to pitch a complete game with him. These type of arbitrary questions "why would i leave him in" that people ask on hear make no sense to me. There is no rule in baseball that says you have to take a pitcher out with a big lead. And honestly, it seems like you believe, for some reason i cannot understand, they i should be punished for leaving this guy in? Is that what you are saying here? Are you telling me because you wouldn't do it, it's not the right thing to do? I'm sure this is the point where you tell me that sometimes if you leave pitchers in to long they meltdown and blah blah blah. Your right, but surely you know that for everytime this happens, there are about 5 times it doesn't, and the guy gives up maybe 1 or 2 runs in the 8th and 9th and gets a cg win.

relax i was just wondering why anyone would leave their starter in the for that situation. i don't pretend to know everything about baseball so i just wanted to know why i should do the same thing.

Also, to add to this rant, has anyone else noticed how when you get to the last inning, no matter how the game has played out, u end up facing the 3,4,5 guys in a game? I started noticing this awhile back, and lately the things i've seen the cpu do to get me to have to face Manny and Kemp in the 9th are ridiculous. I can usually punch them out because I have finally figured out pitching on this game, but it is still pretty funny that no matter what happened in innings 1-8, i always have to face a teams best two hitters in the 9th a large percentage of the time.

that was from your previous post, it sounded like you were having an issue with the middle of the lineup coming up a "large percentage of the time" , so my question is why do you let it happen? don't take this stuff personal, but if others are having this same problem then we should, as a community, try to discuss how we can avoid these kind of situations, and help improve our gameplay decisions.

i simply just don't buy the whole "i am not in control and lose games to the ai" thing.

i used my example vs the rays as how you can take control of that situation without actually using your ability to play the game, but rather picking your fights. i choose to pick on bartlett in that situation not because i wasn't afraid to pitch to him, but because i can shut the door on the rays in the bottom of the 9th without a chance to comeback. it worked out perfectly, but had a very good chance to backfire on me. i was willing to take the risk because i had confidence in my bullpen as well as confidence in my lineup in the top of the 9th to bring me back in the game if it went sour.

[Chef Matt]

Re: Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

I was playing on legend with "The Perfect Sliders", meter pitching.

One other thing I've seen though is that in late innings I'll throw a 2 strike pitch COMPLETELY in the strike zone, not even nipping the corner, but completely on it and it gets called a ball. This is mind numbingly frustrating.

It's funny but whenever I saw this I KNEW what was coming. And it seemed there was no way to stop it.

[Mr. Fascinating]

Re: Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

I think the reason might be because when people go up by 10 runs they tend to put their worst pitcher in and they get smacked (I'm looking at you Lenny DiNardo)

[Whitesox]

Re: Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

You do not have to send a coach to the mound or intentionally walk or hit and run or steal bases or swing at the first strike you see, etc. to win baseball games.

No, you don't have to, however some of it is highly recommended. Especially bringing out the pitching coach, or intentionally walking people in the right situation. You don't have to do anything...

[livnlegn]

Re: Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

No, you don't have to, however some of it is highly recommended. Especially bringing out the pitching coach, or intentionally walking people in the right situation. You don't have to do anything...

I disagree with that. I think intentionally walking anyone is a bad move. I also think sending out a pitching coach is theoretically a good move, but in reality it does almost nothing (unless you are asking if the pitcher can go longer).

Anyway, sorry. I shouldn't have dug this thread up. Carry on.

[Phoenixmgs]

Re: Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

Hey for those not experiencing the CPU BS, what do you have your pitch speed at?

I started playing season mode again, and I lowered pitch speed to -1 or 4/10 to get more doubles and it worked. I have also noticed the CPU just doesn't seem THAT good at the plate anymore, I'm able to get them to hit a lot more weaker hit balls than before and a lot more stikeouts. Same exact sliders I was using before but I dropped pitch speed one notch.

My theory is that there are more available video frames to hit the ball when you lower pitch speed, which leads to greater hit variety. Say, there is something like 15 frames available to hit the ball at default pitch speed. Now, with pitch speed one notch lower, you now have say 20 frames to hit the ball. It makes sense as the ball is visually coming to home plate slower, you should have some extra time (frames) to swing bat when the ball is in the hitting zone. Now, instead of the CPU crushing so many pitches, they are now hitting the ball solid somewhere instead of knocking the cover off of it. So, instead of making contact with the ball within those 2 or 3 frames where the ball would be crushed, they are making contact just outside of those key frames.

I still definitely think there is some kind of rubberbanding effect for BOTH sides as I'm able to hit a little too easily when I'm down.

[Whitesox]

Re: Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

I use Dr.Urses sliders.

If it does exist, it doesn't happen to me enough for me to question it. I just chalk it up to it being a regular blown save, because they happen all of the time.

[Guffers]

Re: Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

I had the CPU come back on me like a beast last night in my Triple A allstar game. I was up 6-2 going into the bottom of the 8th. I subbed in my warmed up set up guy and he preceded to get smashed no matter what I did. After two hits I had guys in the bullpen and switched up pitchers as soon as I gave away two runs. The next pitcher gave up another few hits for another two runs and the game was tied just like that. I bring in my closer early and manage to get the last out.

Then in the bottom of the 9th the CPU got a runner on first via an infield single. I keep my discipline and continue to pitch to the corners and vary speed and location etc. It didn't matter though as they managed a 2 run homer from a 3-2 palm ball.

I was insanely frustrated as I had scrapped together my 4 run lead through singles, small ball and the occasional double. Then in these two innings it felt like the game slipped completely out of my hands and the CPU bulldozed their way back into it within around 10 pitches.

But.....this is baseball! This can happen at any stage. If we want our sports games to be sim then we need to make the concession that we are going to lose sometimes! It makes the victories all that much more satisfying. Just like in real sport. If we felt totally in control all of the time then we would simply crush the AI within weeks of having the game and it would become stunningly boring.

I think that maybe some of us just need to learn to take the loss and learn from it.

If I didn't see games like this every now and then I would feel like there was something wrong with the game. Yes I was frustrated because I felt like I was playing smart and doing all the right things and still losing. But isnt that what real teams feel on occasion? I have the same experience with NHL 09 where some games I play smart defense, get of tons of great shots and still lose 5-0. Its just the way the dice roll in sport sometimes. Personally I wouldn't have it any other way.

So if the SCEA devs ever read this by any chance...please don't feel you have to dumb down the game because of all of the ranting about comeback AI on here. There are a huge group of us who absolutely love that the CPU is deadly and able to beat you, even when you have a good game. It may be frustrating but without that frustration every now and then I would not be so elated when I pull off a huge win. Like the 10-4 drubbing I handed out in my Major League Allstar game yesterday!!

Three months into playing this game and it still dominates my conciousness when I'm day dreaming at work or driving around. I feel that anything can happen when I boot up a game in my franchise and dig in. In my mind this game is truly a sports gaming landmark title. So...thank you to the SCEA team. Thank you for the brilliant game that I feel I will be playing right up until MLB 2010.

[teddyberrz]

Re: Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

Thank you Sony for this unplayable piece of junk.

[Whitesox]

Re: Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

Thank you Sony for this unplayable piece of junk.

Woah there. Got any reasons for that?

[teddyberrz]

Re: Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

Who wants to play a game where you could be winning 99-0 and lose 100-99?? Computer always finds a way to screw you, no matter what. I`m totally sick of wasting my time knowing what to expect everytime I play. You always know it`s coming, it`s just a question of when and how.

[Whitesox]

Re: Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

Maybe that's why. Maybe it's because people go into the game expecting to lose. Oh well, hope you enjoy "better" sports games.

[livnlegn]

Re: Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

Let me attempt to redirect his concerns.

Has anyone ever won a game 1-0?

I ask because, obviously, I haven't and I just want to know what others are experiencing.

[Whitesox]

Re: Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

Yes, and I think I have a box score too. I will look in a few minutes.

[livnlegn]

Re: Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

K. If I can stomach it, I'm going to attempt to track some of this info in my own franchise.

Because, I don't know, call it a sample size fluke but in low scoring games the teams seem to mirror one another. If I go up big, they will definitely play catch up but usually lose. If they go up anything, I will usually lose. And that is my fault.

What I'm going to look into is when the computer scores and how often.

I don't claim that this argument is definitively one way or the other.

Remember what Socrates said. Keep in mind that if you are sure, you are mistaken.