Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

[eyeamg0dly]

Re: Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

I think the thing with breaking balls is that throwing good effective breaking balls means throwing them low in the zone/below the zone. Problem is the CPU barely swings at balls below the zone, the CPU does once in a great while. Therefore, you have too small of a zone to throw a breaking ball to get a positive result of some kind (get an out or strike, or build pitch confidence). It seems like one of the primary reasons to throw a breaking ball is to throw off the batter's timing so you can get them on a fastball. In real life throwing a good splitter, curve, slider, etc. in the dirt is a legit strikeout pitch, I've NEVER seen the CPU chase a ball in the dirt.

i have to agree with you, i to have never seen the cpu chase a ball in the dirt either, but i do get them to chase below the strike zone, just not extremely low out of the zone.

[carolo59]

Re: Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

Man, that shows you how intense this game is if you're afraid to throw a curveball in a video game, . That's what I love about it. Also in that thread you can't be afraid to walk guys. What I mean about that, if you're pitching to Pujols in a bad situation and he walks....well, that might be good. I can't, for the life of me, get Brian McCann out in this game, lol. He eats me up. Just one of those things. (well, I can get him out, but he's gonna get his hits and RBIs off of my pitchers).

Take those sliders for the CPU all the way down. Just try it, then work off of that. If you need to raise them because you're starting to get it...then do it, but the sliders do work.

Jimbo u are right on about being scared to throw a curveball in a video game, specially in MLB 09, thats INTENSE, this gm is intense. My thing is learning how to pitch, and get my timing dn, before i even try HOF or Legend. I curenntly play on As, but i went back down to Vet, with default sliders except Cpu HRs and pw hits Maxed. And pitch speed at 8. The comeback thing in this game is when u think u thrown that pitch that well get u out of a jam, and u missed your spot, thats when u been over and watch that pitch heading for the cheap seats., thats baseball. Hop.

[jim416]

Re: Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

Hey Hop,

Miss our on line games, but I didn't download the patch as I didn't want to mess up my franchise. Maybe next year.

[Whitesox]

Re: Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

Just had a game where the Giants had lead off hits in both the 8th and 9th inning.

Got double plays in both innings as well.

I think that if you go into a game with the mindset that the team is going to comeback on you, then more than likely it will happen.

Maybe positive thinking should be practiced from time to time.

This needs to be put on a golden plaque.

[Whitesox]

Re: Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

Yes, but my point is that pitchers throw what they are good at throwing and not what batters are bad at hitting. Unless they are marginal pitchers.

No, this is wrong. The goal of the pitcher is to get the batter out. If the batter is good at hitting a certain pitch in a certain area, then a smart pitcher would not throw it there, because he is begging for trouble.

This is just common sense...

Also, everything on the screen when you press select would be availible to the players. That is what a scout is for

[livnlegn]

Re: Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

No, this is wrong. The goal of the pitcher is to get the batter out. If the batter is good at hitting a certain pitch in a certain area, then a smart pitcher would not throw it there, because he is begging for trouble.

This is just common sense...

Also, everything on the screen when you press select would be availible to the players. That is what a scout is for

Maybe, in a video game, it's "common sense"-- like hitting Bowser in the stomach on level 6 of Super Mario Brothers.

If you let a batter dictate your pitch selection and location, then you are pitching on their terms. I pitch with a philosophy about how to get certain hitters out. They show you in one or two pitches how that is going to happen. Call it a different approach, I guess.

Most of what I see here is video game advice, not pitching advice. That's cool, it's a video game website. But why not just enable the catcher signs and let the computer beat itself?

[Whitesox]

Re: Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

Maybe, in a video game, it's "common sense"-- like hitting Bowser in the stomach on level 6 of Super Mario Brothers.

If you let a batter dictate your pitch selection and location, then you are pitching on their terms. I pitch with a philosophy about how to get certain hitters out. They show you in one or two pitches how that is going to happen. Call it a different approach, I guess.

Most of what I see here is video game advice, not pitching advice. That's cool, it's a video game website. But why not just enable the catcher signs and let the computer beat itself?

Not quite sure what you're trying to say here...

If you throw it where the batter has a hard time hitting it, he will have a hard time hitting it, it doesn't matter whose "terms" you are on.

If you throw a pitch you are good at throwing in a place where he can hit better, the he will have a better chance of hitting it.

However, a pitcher is usually very good at throwing every pitch that he throws during a game. That is why he is a professional and makes millions upon millions of dollars.

[malek05]

Re: Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

Tim Lincecum pitches the same way for 200 innings. It doesn't seem to hurt him much. I don't think he looks at hot and cold zones either. In fact, if you pitch and look at hot and cold zones, they might as well put a computer on the mound in your place, because you can't pitch.

Co-sign. If your pitching was good enough to get you a 7-1 lead going into the 8th, why on earth would you change it?

And the "cpu adapting to you" doesn't hold weight either. What, the batters were baffled the first two times, but in the last few innings EVERY batter figures it out and EVERY batter is able to get good contact on EVERY pitch that you throw? And this just happes to coincide with the last few innings of the game?

At some point in every game the cpu is going to go on a tear and get hits on anything that you throw in the strikezone. All you can do is try to throw pitches on the corner, pitch for contact, shift your defense, and mound visits. But this will happen, virtually every game.

People keep posting this crap about "well i didn't lose and i won the game 6-4" cpu comeback is not about winning or losing, it's about the cpu doing cheap things to keep the game close. I definitely believe in cpu comeback, but i've only lost a handful of games because of it. I've won games 10-6....where the cpu scored 6 lame runs in the bottome of the 9th.

And perhaps someone, preferably a dev, could answer this quesion. Why does the cpu, on any level, never swing at ptiches in the dirt? Can someone post a video of them doing this, if I am wrong? In every game of real life baseball two or three guys will strike out on junk thats rolling in the dirt before it crosses the plate, yet I have never seen the computer swing at a dirt pitch once, and i throw plenty, i've even played exhibition games where all i did was throw ptiches in the dirt and never got the cpu to swing at one?

Also, to add to this rant, has anyone else noticed how when you get to the last inning, no matter how the game has played out, u end up facing the 3,4,5 guys in a game? I started noticing this awhile back, and lately the things i've seen the cpu do to get me to have to face Manny and Kemp in the 9th are ridiculous. I can usually punch them out because I have finally figured out pitching on this game, but it is still pretty funny that no matter what happened in innings 1-8, i always have to face a teams best two hitters in the 9th a large percentage of the time.

[jim416]

Re: Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

Co-sign. If your pitching was good enough to get you a 7-1 lead going into the 8th, why on earth would you change it?

He was comparing real life to a video game, lol.

People keep posting this crap about "well i didn't lose and i won the game 6-4" cpu comeback is not about winning or losing, it's about the cpu doing cheap things to keep the game close.

Sorry, it isn't "crap".

Also, to add to this rant, has anyone else noticed how when you get to the last inning, no matter how the game has played out, u end up facing the 3,4,5 guys in a game?

This is not true either, lol. Sorry you get that though.

[Whitesox]

Re: Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

Also, to add to this rant, has anyone else noticed how when you get to the last inning, no matter how the game has played out, u end up facing the 3,4,5 guys in a game? I started noticing this awhile back, and lately the things i've seen the cpu do to get me to have to face Manny and Kemp in the 9th are ridiculous. I can usually punch them out because I have finally figured out pitching on this game, but it is still pretty funny that no matter what happened in innings 1-8, i always have to face a teams best two hitters in the 9th a large percentage of the time.

This is absolutely insane.

[livnlegn]

Re: Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

Not quite sure what you're trying to say here...

If you throw it where the batter has a hard time hitting it, he will have a hard time hitting it, it doesn't matter whose "terms" you are on.

If you throw a pitch you are good at throwing in a place where he can hit better, the he will have a better chance of hitting it.

However, a pitcher is usually very good at throwing every pitch that he throws during a game. That is why he is a professional and makes millions upon millions of dollars.

If you don't pitch to your strengths, you are giving up your strengths. If you believe that Roy Halladay cares where someone wants the ball, you're wrong. He only cares about where he wants to put the ball and where he can put the ball with consistency.

Now do you start Chris Young with a fastball? No. Sure, certain hitters are fastball hitters and certain hitters are breaking ball hitters, etc. Throw a guy two pitches, file it away and pitch accordingly. Hot and cold zones are a joke, except to cheat out a win in a video game.

Heck, even Dustin Pedroia, when asked about the claim that the commercial makes (he can't hit the high, inside heat), has said "That's what they say".

As far as comparing real life to a game, everyone is always on board with doing it until the it is criticism. Then they want to redraw the landscape and pretend that it was never their claim.

Maybe I do expect too much from a video game. Maybe I've left and came back and what were always the shortcomings of AI and video games in general are more apparent to me.

It's no worries... at least I'll have a blu-ray player.

[eyeamg0dly]

Re: Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

Co-sign. If your pitching was good enough to get you a 7-1 lead going into the 8th, why on earth would you change it?

And the "cpu adapting to you" doesn't hold weight either. What, the batters were baffled the first two times, but in the last few innings EVERY batter figures it out and EVERY batter is able to get good contact on EVERY pitch that you throw? And this just happes to coincide with the last few innings of the game?

im going to throw this question right back at you. with a 7-1 lead going into the 8th. why would you even keep him in the game? there is no chance for a shutout, so why would you risk injuring your pitcher or giving up the lead? im pretty sure he is going to have to pitch again on another day, so why not save what little stam is left for just that? you should already have your setup man warmed and subbed in and your closer started to warm up just in case they come back within a few runs.

as far as the "cpu adapting to you", like in the game, im pretty sure IRL they keep track of what pitches you have thrown through out the game. I am also positive that previous batters are giving feedback on whats going on as well as the manager giving input on what to look for, that is called managing the game, it is something you have to do as well.

if you feel that the 3,4,5 always rolls over in the 9th, then why are you letting it happen?? do you not plan ahead? when you are facing the strength of the lineup in the late innings, do you have a strategy?

im going to give you a situation i was in recently, bottom of the 8th the lineup starts over. its the ALDS vs the Rays at tampa, im using my chisox. I am up in this game 6-4 and there is a good chance the rays will rally here in the 8th if i let them. crawford gets on base with a double. upton grounds out and moves crawford to 3rd. longoria is at the plate, i intentionally walk him and put him on first. i pitch around pena trying to get a double play, he does not bite and is walked on 6 pitches. so bases are loaded, 1 out and burrel at the plate. he has already hit a HR in the game so im kinda weary about pitching to him, my confidence is down after walking pena so i bring out the mound visit. my closer jenks is already warm.

my question here for you, is what would you have done in this situation?

what did i do? i pitched around burrel. why? because id rather risk walking in a run then give up extra bases and have the game tied or give up the lead. by pitching around i still have a chance to get a double play to end the inning. i walked burrel and crawford scores from 3rd. the situation now is 6-5, bases loaded 1 out in the bottom of the 8th. now is not the time to panic, my pitcher (dj carrasco) confidence is gone again, but i have jenks ready to go, so i bring him in and go for the 5 out close. next batter, i beleive was bartlett rolls a double play and im out of the inning with the lead still. i warm up dotel just in case they tie the game in the bottom of the 9th, but jenks is clutch and gets 2 strikeouts and a ground out to end the game.

i ran the situations through my head and came up with a winner, in the past before i really thought how to play my games, i guarentee i would have given up the lead in that situation and lost that game. by walking the strength of that lineup, i was able to get the situation back into my favor even at the cost of sacrificing a run.

[jim416]

Re: Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

As far as comparing real life to a game, everyone is always on board with doing it until the it is criticism. Then they want to redraw the landscape and pretend that it was never their claim.

Uh, the fact remains it IS a video game and a pretty danged good one. This was reopened to help out guys having some problems, not for esoteric reasons.

Anyway, I'm signing out. Anyone want some help, give me a holler PM.

[Whitesox]

Re: Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

Hot and cold zones are a joke, except to cheat out a win in a video game.

How do you figure? I don't see how this is cheating, as it is there in real life too.

As far as comparing real life to a game, everyone is always on board with doing it until the it is criticism. Then they want to redraw the landscape and pretend that it was never their claim.

I compare The Show to the real game all the time, and I don't withdraw anything. I could care less, as long as you have a point, which you don't (debatable, I know..)

The game is "The most realistic" not real

It's no worries... at least I'll have a blu-ray player.

Enjoy!

[malek05]

Re: Too many two out inning rallies by AI!! (Comeback AI Discussion)

im going to throw this question right back at you. with a 7-1 lead going into the 8th. why would you even keep him in the game? there is no chance for a shutout, so why would you risk injuring your pitcher or giving up the lead? im pretty sure he is going to have to pitch again on another day, so why not save what little stam is left for just that? you should already have your setup man warmed and subbed in and your closer started to warm up just in case they come back within a few runs.

as far as the "cpu adapting to you", like in the game, im pretty sure IRL they keep track of what pitches you have thrown through out the game. I am also positive that previous batters are giving feedback on whats going on as well as the manager giving input on what to look for, that is called managing the game, it is something you have to do as well.

if you feel that the 3,4,5 always rolls over in the 9th, then why are you letting it happen?? do you not plan ahead? when you are facing the strength of the lineup in the late innings, do you have a strategy?

im going to give you a situation i was in recently, bottom of the 8th the lineup starts over. its the ALDS vs the Rays at tampa, im using my chisox. I am up in this game 6-4 and there is a good chance the rays will rally here in the 8th if i let them. crawford gets on base with a double. upton grounds out and moves crawford to 3rd. longoria is at the plate, i intentionally walk him and put him on first. i pitch around pena trying to get a double play, he does not bite and is walked on 6 pitches. so bases are loaded, 1 out and burrel at the plate. he has already hit a HR in the game so im kinda weary about pitching to him, my confidence is down after walking pena so i bring out the mound visit. my closer jenks is already warm.

my question here for you, is what would you have done in this situation?

what did i do? i pitched around burrel. why? because id rather risk walking in a run then give up extra bases and have the game tied or give up the lead. by pitching around i still have a chance to get a double play to end the inning. i walked burrel and crawford scores from 3rd. the situation now is 6-5, bases loaded 1 out in the bottom of the 8th. now is not the time to panic, my pitcher (dj carrasco) confidence is gone again, but i have jenks ready to go, so i bring him in and go for the 5 out close. next batter, i beleive was bartlett rolls a double play and im out of the inning with the lead still. i warm up dotel just in case they tie the game in the bottom of the 9th, but jenks is clutch and gets 2 strikeouts and a ground out to end the game.

i ran the situations through my head and came up with a winner, in the past before i really thought how to play my games, i guarentee i would have given up the lead in that situation and lost that game. by walking the strength of that lineup, i was able to get the situation back into my favor even at the cost of sacrificing a run.

Why would I keep him in the game? Maybe my bullpen is bad? Maybe it only took me 58 pitches. Maybe I just want to pitch a complete game with him. These type of arbitrary questions "why would i leave him in" that people ask on hear make no sense to me. There is no rule in baseball that says you have to take a pitcher out with a big lead. And honestly, it seems like you believe, for some reason i cannot understand, they i should be punished for leaving this guy in? Is that what you are saying here? Are you telling me because you wouldn't do it, it's not the right thing to do? I'm sure this is the point where you tell me that sometimes if you leave pitchers in to long they meltdown and blah blah blah. Your right, but surely you know that for everytime this happens, there are about 5 times it doesn't, and the guy gives up maybe 1 or 2 runs in the 8th and 9th and gets a cg win.

I don't really have problem pitching to the 3,4,5 guy's in the 9th, and never said that i did, matter fact i stated that i sit them down just like i did in the earlier innings, so i do not understand why you are giving me some lecture on this subject. I am plenty smart enough to just walk Manny, and maybe kemp to and then try and get a double play, or do whatever the correct thing to do is depending on the score. The point i was trying to make was the stuff i see that puts me in that situation. Like, a walk, a walk, a hit batter, a bunt that i can't get to, two double play's i can't turn. That's pretty much batting around the side in one inning so i end up facing the 3,4,5 guy's again. The first walk, okay i was pitching the corners, but another walk when i try to work around the plate, and then my pitcher beans a guy on a fastball i was trying to throw outside? And then they lay down a perfect bunt that i can't get to, and then they hit two slow hops i can't turn double play's on? I mean pretty much whatever has to happen for me to face these guys in the 9th, will happen. Pitching and mound visits have nothing to do with it. I find it funny and just move on.

Long story short, when i first played this game, i sucked big time. I threw every pitch low and away, I swung at anything that looked like a strike, hardly used my bullpen ever, and never did mound visits. It use to take me around 35 minutes to play a game, that should give you an indication of how much i was hacking at bad pitches. I didn't see much cheap stuff here because i was so bad, i was always putting myself in bad situations, so there was no need for the cpu to "cheat" me.

Now, it takes me about 1hr to play a game, and i dictate my at bat's based on many factors; who i have at bat., the pitcher, runner's positions, defensive alignment, score, etc. I pitch according to a batters ability, score, runners positions, and what i want him to do as a pitcher, etc. I hardly ever find myself in a bad position now, and it just seems like the game realizes this, and starts to pull suspect things on a consistent basis that i rarely see in real life baseball.