To be honest, I just think this is an abberation/placebo effect...I have won and lost several blowout games with Comeback OFF on HOF...I truly don't believe Comeback code effects gameplay on default, but thats just me
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Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON
To be honest, I just think this is an abberation/placebo effect...I have won and lost several blowout games with Comeback OFF on HOF...I truly don't believe Comeback code effects gameplay on default, but thats just me -
Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON
No I agree and most do all that but come on scrubs become super human .
I think some of this game should be detimined by stats and not a unrealistic comeback cheat or whatever kicks in .
I cant tell you how many times I pitched low and away in key situations and the ball goes over the plate and gets crushed lol.
explain this ? in a normal situation how this magically happens ??????
Hollywood couldnt script it better than this game !
Total placebo effect...like you are making it a self-fulfilling prophecy...I am not that good at pitching at all (play on HOF), and I just haven't seen this man...its completely variable/random...you are just hitting a bad patch or pitching poorly with the lead...to insinuate it is scripted I think is a little over the top...sorry if this offends you, but the more games I play the more I realize it is completely randomized, there is no special comeback code that kicks in...just haven't seen it in 30+ gamesComment
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Only comment I'm going to make. Why the heck would SCEA "script" a game and why? This is suicide for them to do this. These guys are baseball nuts themselves. So they sit around and design a way for the human to lose against the AI? Come on........Comment
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Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON
I so agree with that...i mean i only play on veteran..but my games are really close about 90% of the time...and are you watching your pitchers confidence levels? and the pitchers control over the pitches...you do realize in tight spots some pitchers miss and will throw up in the zone or hang one..which leads to big hits..theres no script, its random and when u goof the computer catches it on you sometimes..like reallife..Total placebo effect...like you are making it a self-fulfilling prophecy...I am not that good at pitching at all (play on HOF), and I just haven't seen this man...its completely variable/random...you are just hitting a bad patch or pitching poorly with the lead...to insinuate it is scripted I think is a little over the top...sorry if this offends you, but the more games I play the more I realize it is completely randomized, there is no special comeback code that kicks in...just haven't seen it in 30+ gamesComment
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Ok I'm convinced. Like I said before I want to reiterate the fact that I have yet to win by more then 4 runs in over approximately 100 games played. Those are the FACTS. I really don't know how many games I played but I would have to assume around 100. Either way I have been playing every day since March 3rd. In my first two games played with comeback set to on I have won by 8 and 7 (12-4 and 9-2). I have gotten out of jams. The hitter's just don't seem as good overall HONESTLY. I am completley convinced and I am a VERY SKEPTICAL person.
Next game I played with COMEBACK ON is Marlins vs Reds. I'm Marlins. I go with #3 starters this time. I don't want to pitch with an ace (Beckett) to see if I can get the lead and hold the lead. Well let me tell you there is no doubt in my mind this is it right here. I am going to be short and brief as I can if anybody has questions about what happened ask me.
Volstad vs Arroyo. Bottom line final score Marlins 9 Reds 2. 16 hits for me, 8 for the Reds. No errors by either team. I jumped out to a 2-0 lead in the 1st. Got another in the 2nd on a centerfield blast 3-0 lead now. Give up a solo shot to Votto in the bottom half but DON'T GET RATTLED. I get out of the inning. I am pitching great with Volstad THE ENTIRE GAME. The 8th inning I have 93 pitches going in and at this point I have given up 1 run on 6 hits and I had 1 walk and 4k's. Something I also never seen (lack of striking out the CPU ENOUGH). Gonzalez leads off the 8th with a pop out. I walk Hopper. I am definetley getting tired. 98 pitches. I have Proctor up in the bullpen because I know this guy isn't superman and he can't pitch forever. Tavares doubles to LF and I do a mound visit and bring in Proctor. So a man on 2nd with 1 out. I get Dickerson to fly out to RF and then Bruce to pop out to 3rd. I concentrated but I'll tell you I was just cruising on the mound. I wasn't even making the best pitches. Guys were just getting out on good pitches opposed to getting out on PERFECT pitches with comeback set to off.
I am 100% convinced. I am getting out of jams MUCH easier. Even when my confidence is down. I think how ridiculously hard it was and how much concentration was needed before actually helped me because I can get out of jams now. This is great. I can't wait til you guys try this a couple games and see what I mean. You still have to pitch good but you don't have to be perfect.Last edited by davewins; 03-20-2009, 10:48 AM.Comment
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Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON
What do you mean it's total opposite of what the dev's mentioned how it works??yep and the fact that the option for catch region indicator was reversed and didnt work correctly last year, means that its a possibility. I know its one game Dave, but what you described is totally opposite of what the developers mentioned about how the CPU comeback works.
Very strange that you were able to win like that and the CPU didnt make a game of it.Comment
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Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON
You are playing on Legend difficulty though, that is why you can't win by more than 4 runs.
Nobody will think you're less of a gamer if you play on a lower level.
I'm just saying.Gamertags
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Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON
Wow, so the combined scores of both games were 21-6? So hypothetically if there is a rubber band AI with comeback OFF, I wonder if comeback ON over-rides it, but is not as strong? Although by the looks of your scores it seems comeback ON is broke.
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Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON
What are you talking about???? I have been playing on Legend since I got the game. I do fine. I have won plenty of games. I actually have a winning record for 2 seasons with the Red Sox it's just that if you are up by a lot they will come back with some unreasonable runs and make it closer. I have yet to win by more then 4. I was up 9-2 against the A's once and they came back and made it 9-5. That was the most I have ever won by. Since I got the game (however many games I played, has to be around 100) I have yet to win by more then 4 on Legend the entire time. Now I turn CPU comeback to on and I win by 8 the first game and 7 the second!! Not only that I can just tell by how the CPU hits. They hit a lot of my pitches weaker. If I pitch stupid they will hit it hard but if I pitch smart then no matter what they will stay in their boundaries as far as attributes and everything goes. I am 100% convinced. I am not saying you have to believe me, you have a right to your opinion but I just don't understand where you are coming from when you say I am playing on legend????
Did you read my post?? LOL, I mentioned that I won by more then 4 for the first time in back to back games on legend with comeback set to ON. So does that make any sense?? Why would in over 100 games I never win by more then 4 and then once I turn comeback on I win by 8 (12-4) and then 7 (9-2)????
I was never one to complain about this. It was NOT causing me to lose games. I somewhat enjoyed the extra concentration and how hard it was. But then with #5 starters it got ridiculous. The slightest mistake and you are done. I could only last 5 innings with my #5 starters and it just didn't feel realistic. I know when it's my fault pitching or when the CPU is just ridiculously good. That was the case. The only way I could pitch good if everything worked out perfect. I would still win games but they would come back on me and it was just annoying have to use 4 guys in my bullpen after pitching so good with my starter through a solid 6 innings.
Well so far with comeback set ON, in 2 full games played I have thrown a total of 1.2 IP with the bullpen. Beckett threw a CG and Volstad threw 8.1 innings. Proctor was in for the last 2 outs in the 8th and 3 in the 9th.Last edited by davewins; 03-20-2009, 11:07 AM.Comment
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Yes man. I honestly just think it's reversed. All the credit goes to baa7 for mentioning this as a possibility. I just tested it. I am 100% convinced honestly. Not just by the fact that I won 21-6 combined and I held big leads but by the way the CPU hits. They don't do anything ridiculous like get 5 hits in a row. On Legend of course it's harder but with comeback on the CPU is DEFINETLEY easier to get out overall. I have made the CPU look pathetic in the last 2 games. They hit some PRETTY WEAK outs that I almost had to laugh at when I jammed them. Those little pop outs to the 1st basemen that go maybe 20 feet in the air LOL. Well whenever I get out like that I am embarassed LOL. I got the CPU to get out like that plenty of times. I know it was possible before but not as frequent as now. Also I get more K's. This would hold true in the fact that the contact attributes don't get a boost when you are up. I got 4 k's with Volstad against the Reds a pretty decent hitting team. Some late in the game too. Usually I get 1 or 2 k's.Last edited by davewins; 03-20-2009, 11:01 AM.Comment
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Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON
How can you be 100% convinced after 2 games?What are you talking about???? I have been playing on Legend since I got the game. I do fine. I have won plenty of games. I actually have a winning record for 2 seasons with the Red Sox it's just that if you are up by a lot they will come back with some unreasonable runs and make it closer. I have yet to win by more then 4. I was up 9-2 against the A's once and they came back and made it 9-5. That was the most I have ever won by. Since I got the game (however many games I played, has to be around 100) I have yet to win by more then 4 on Legend the entire time. Now I turn CPU comeback to on and I win by 8 the first game and 7 the second!! Not only that I can just tell by how the CPU hits. They hit a lot of my pitches weaker. If I pitch stupid they will hit it hard but if I pitch smart then no matter what they will stay in their boundaries as far as attributes and everything goes. I am 100% convinced. I am not saying you have to believe me, you have a right to your opinion but I just don't understand where you are coming from when you say I am playing on legend????
Did you read my post?? LOL, I mentioned that I won by more then 4 for the first time in back to back games on legend with comeback set to ON. So does that make any sense?? Why would in over 100 games I never win by more then 4 and then once I turn comeback on I win by 8 (12-4) and then 7 (9-2)????Comment
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I havent tested this, but from what I've seen playing my franchise since the game came out is that it does seem the CPU has some kind of ability to make games close regardless. I have had game's where I'm throwing a no hitter, up by 5 heading into the 6th or 7th and leave the inning down by 2. Dont get me wrong I love the difficulty, as in past years I would just fast forward through pitching since it was way too easy for me. Atleast now its a challenge to pitch....but it would seem to me that on many instances the CPU has the ability to make games close no matter the score. Just my opinion.Comment
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Because after 100 or so games played for over 2 weeks straight every single day the last 2 games felt like night and day from prior. I guess I shouldn't jump and say 100% but I am damn near 100%. Let's just say nothing is 100% and I will say I am 95% LOL. I'm telling you it's completley different. I am pitching the same. I listen to the catcher 95% of the time. The only time I don't listen to him is if he asks for a fastball in the same location twice in a row which almost always results in a hit. I wouldn't come here and post and be so excited if I didn't feel like this changed anything. I know a lot on here have struggled and complained about this "problem" and it's been an "issue". Well I can honestly say that I truly think the option is just broken and it's just set to on by default. You have to set it to on for it to be off. If you know what I mean. Just try it and play games yourself. You be the judge.
I have posted so many games that I have played that were SO exciting. Seriously every single game I played was exciting. Every game came down to the very last pitch. I have never played a game where I was on the winning side and I just coasted and knew that I was going to win until I played these first 2 games.Comment
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Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON
This is my first year with The Show, but from perusing these threads it sounds like SCEA was bagged on in previous versions because the game was too easy to beat. If this is correct the developers would have to decide on which is better - make a game too easy, or make it difficult with some cheats programmed into it.
I don't think anyone would program comeback AI just for the heck of it or to cut corners. Programming AI to beat a human in any game is difficult and complex, so this is a common way to overcome certain limitations.
With that said I would rather have a game cheat and made difficult than made too easy to beat. For example when I played basketball in high school certain road games were a nightmare - the refs were obvious cheating fools - calling everything on us to help out the home team. When we were able to overcome that and still win it was a great feeling. Same thing here - if a game is cheating but you can still beat it then it feels good.
If devs must put in cheating then all I ask is that they work hard to make it very subtle, random and not in every game. I would think that a baseball game could be programmed without cheating though.Comment

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