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  • brunnoce
    MVP
    • Mar 2005
    • 4133

    #166
    Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

    first game on legend and comback on:

    OAK(me) 4- 8-0
    LAA 0-6-1

    dave , weare onto something here
    one thing that i cleary notice was what u mentioned about getting away of jams...
    i could make the AI look stupid in ocasions...while before i would get rocked every on every single mistake
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    PSN: brunnoce
    Thanx Knight165

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    • davewins
      MVP
      • Sep 2005
      • 1913

      #167
      Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

      Originally posted by Ruffy
      If you don't have proof why post about it?

      I hit a HR once off a first pitch change-up...therefore every 1st pitch change up I hit will be a HR.

      This thread should be titled.

      CPU Comeback set to on Impressions - makes more sense.

      I'll agree with Jim you guys must be the greatest players ever. Have fun!

      Can you define what proof is in this subject?? My keyboard is black. I can prove this by taking a picture of it. This is so in depth and under the hood that you can simply not prove or disprove anything.

      So you are probably better off spending some time in another thread where you can show your age and maturity by actually disproving or proving something.

      My name is Dave and I am 26 years old.

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      • davewins
        MVP
        • Sep 2005
        • 1913

        #168
        Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

        Originally posted by c_morris25
        I play on legend as well and haven’t seen any “comeback” at all. I’m able to blow the cpu out as well as the other way around. I’ve shut them out at times and I’ve been shut out. So after reading this I went and tried the Comeback Handicap On. Here are the final box scores from the three games I played with it 'on'. It certainly played different.....the comeback was noticeable, especially in the 2nd and 3rd games.
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        FUnny that all games were 1 run games. Especially the 10-9 game. Although that doesn't prove or disprove anything. Box scores don't tell it. Seeing how the game plays yourself tells it. I will never be convinced that this doesn't work because I have seen things I have never seen before with it set to on. It plays different. It plays more realistic. If it doesn't for you then go on where it was good for you @ default. No harm no foul.

        Like the dude above said about strikeouts. THat's exactly what I noticed. I got more strikeouts. I was like "are you sure?" to the catcher when he called another curve and was hesitant but threw it and sure enough got him swinging. beautiful thing.

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        • davewins
          MVP
          • Sep 2005
          • 1913

          #169
          Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

          Originally posted by brunnoce
          first game on legend and comback on:

          OAK(me) 4- 8-0
          LAA 0-6-1

          dave , weare onto something here
          one thing that i cleary notice was what u mentioned about getting away of jams...
          i could make the AI look stupid in ocasions...while before i would get rocked every on every single mistake
          Exactly!! I would make a minor mistake but still be in the zone where I wanted to be in and get HAMMERED. Now at best the guy will get a single but mostly foul the ball off or hit something weakly in play for an easy out. I can miss my pitch and not have to hold my breathe. The cpu will still hit you that's for sure but you have a little more room for error.

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          • davewins
            MVP
            • Sep 2005
            • 1913

            #170
            Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

            Originally posted by brunnoce
            c_morris25, wow man, weird enough thats exaclty the types of box scores i got in my current season with "comeback" OFF.
            Yeah that's what I'm saying. I'm starting to think this. Look we are all credible people here. We aren't on here wasting our time because we THINK we are seeing something. This goes for the people that are seeing this and the people that are not. CB is credible, Jim is credible, I am credible, Brunnoce, Phillie, everybody that posted in here is credible. I"m sure there are a few that just don't want to believe or vice verse and WANT to believe for whatever reason. Be it they don't want to believe because they don't want to think the game is flawed or they want to believe because they just can't beat the CPU and they need something to blame. Be it whatever. Bottom line here is can it be POSSIBLE that there were bugged discs and discs that were fine?? I am simply saying this because I truly respect everybodys view. I am being open minded. As confident as I am that I see this and how the comeback turned on has dramatically made a difference, people (credible people) are seeing just the opposite when it's on and they are seeing what I see when it's off. I know this is a crazy thought but I know nothing about video game developing and how the game is made, etc. What I do know is that we have a lot of credible adults in this forum that have opposing views that are extremely confident in their views. Makes me think that we have 2 different games!! LOL.

            The games that the guy posted with cpu comeback on were all 1 run games. Just what I see when I play with comeback off. I know it's only a couple games both ways but still. A little weird if you ask me.

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            • SoxFan01605
              All Star
              • Jan 2008
              • 7982

              #171
              Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

              Originally posted by davewins
              Yeah that's what I'm saying. I'm starting to think this. Look we are all credible people here. We aren't on here wasting our time because we THINK we are seeing something. This goes for the people that are seeing this and the people that are not. CB is credible, Jim is credible, I am credible, Brunnoce, Phillie, everybody that posted in here is credible. I"m sure there are a few that just don't want to believe or vice verse and WANT to believe for whatever reason. Be it they don't want to believe because they don't want to think the game is flawed or they want to believe because they just can't beat the CPU and they need something to blame. Be it whatever. Bottom line here is can it be POSSIBLE that there were bugged discs and discs that were fine?? I am simply saying this because I truly respect everybodys view. I am being open minded. As confident as I am that I see this and how the comeback turned on has dramatically made a difference, people (credible people) are seeing just the opposite when it's on and they are seeing what I see when it's off. I know this is a crazy thought but I know nothing about video game developing and how the game is made, etc. What I do know is that we have a lot of credible adults in this forum that have opposing views that are extremely confident in their views. Makes me think that we have 2 different games!! LOL.

              The games that the guy posted with cpu comeback on were all 1 run games. Just what I see when I play with comeback off. I know it's only a couple games both ways but still. A little weird if you ask me.
              I doubt it's a disc thing. I mean, they are merely copies of the same data right?

              My guess would be if there is a problem, it's likely intermittent (meaning perhaps something triggers the switch over....like with the stats loading issue for the rosters) OR that maybe the issue is minor, and people just don't notice it.

              SCEA deals in subtleties, and the option itself was supposedly designed to be subtle. It would stand to reason that if something was goofed, the results might go unnoticed by many because they aren't dramatic in change.

              The fact is, it's not "comeback code" but a boost to the losing teams attributes. It's important to remember that, because it could help explain the disconnect between those seeing it and those not. So some might just not notice if the boosts were in effect (especially on Legend, where it's designed to be a fight from beginning to end) and blow past them with little notice.

              Not saying that's the case, but that could be where some of the perception lays.

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              • countryboy
                Growing pains
                • Sep 2003
                • 52843

                #172
                Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

                Originally posted by davewins
                How could you possibly use the word "never". Although I haven't gotten blown out by the CPU yet. This isn't an etched in stone feature otherwise they would call it "can't blowout the CPU mode". Ok that was very corny but you know what I mean. They simply made this feature to make games more exciting and to give people even more of a challenge when playing against the CPU. They didn't make this feature so you can simply never blow out the CPU. This is just meant to give bonuses and make it more difficult. It doesn't mean that you will always give up the lead or always come back. It just means you have to play even better and pitch even smarter to beat the CPU if you have a lead and the greater the lead the greater the bonus. Or, if you are just that good at pitching the bonus will not even affect your game on the mound because it doesn't make the CPU automatically get hits, it increases their chances.
                Excuse my using the word "never". I was typing at work.

                Can I ask a question, and I'm not trying to be a dick or anything of that nature, but how do you explain it not happening to everyone? I'm being serious. Like I stated earlier, given the number of people in the community that play this game, it seems as only a handful are experiencing this issue.
                I can't shave with my eyes closed, meaning each day I have to look at myself in the mirror and respect who I see.

                I miss the old days of Operation Sports :(


                Louisville Cardinals/St.Louis Cardinals

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                • davewins
                  MVP
                  • Sep 2005
                  • 1913

                  #173
                  Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

                  I think the boosts on Legend feel greater because pitching is as tough as it gets to begin with on that level. With any bonus in hitting for the CPU it would simply just get ridiculous and that's exactly how it feels when it kicks in. Especially when you have a bigger lead because that's when the bonuses are greater.

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                  • davewins
                    MVP
                    • Sep 2005
                    • 1913

                    #174
                    Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

                    Originally posted by countryboy
                    Excuse my using the word "never". I was typing at work.

                    Can I ask a question, and I'm not trying to be a dick or anything of that nature, but how do you explain it not happening to everyone? I'm being serious. Like I stated earlier, given the number of people in the community that play this game, it seems as only a handful are experiencing this issue.
                    You can't explain that. It's other people. All you can explain for is yourself. I can't explain how Brunnoce sees it even though he sees it the way I do, I can only explain how I see it. Just like you can't explain how we see it and you guys don't. It just can not be explained. This is a very vague under the hood "issue".

                    I can come up with an assumption for the people that are playing on HOF and levels lower. HOF is easier then Legend. IMO Legend is ridiculous to begin with. You really have to pitch EXCELLENT and mix it up and everything which is great by the way. I think the room for error playing on Legend is much greater then playing on HOF and levels under that. I don't know this for sure though, just a simple assumption. All I do know is that we are very credible people. All of us, and we are definetley seeing a difference in how the game plays with this option turned on opposed to turn off.

                    Nobody is wrong or right here. Again for the umpteenth time I do not want to debate. Nobody will ever prove or disprove anything. It will be an ongoing argument of right vs wrong. There is really no point to argue this especially if you are having fun with the game the way it is. Just enjoy it for what it is and how it works for you. We are not bashing the game, we are not trying to say I told you so to the people that believe otherwise. We are simply trying to make the game more enjoyable for ourselves. Whatever works is fine. Nobody will ever be right or wrong here. I just don't understand why you want to debate this. It will just go in one big circle. Hopefully this can help some people that ARE seeing it. For the people that aren't seeing it, well that's great. I'm glad you guys are enjoying the game the way it is, and so be it.

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                    • cammo13
                      Rookie
                      • Feb 2009
                      • 31

                      #175
                      Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

                      Originally posted by davewins
                      The games that the guy posted with cpu comeback on were all 1 run games. Just what I see when I play with comeback off. I know it's only a couple games both ways but still. A little weird if you ask me.
                      Yeah, I wasn't saying you or anyone else was wrong, just posted what I had. It is weird, though......

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                      • jim416
                        Banned
                        • Feb 2003
                        • 10606

                        #176
                        Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

                        hey jim,

                        no one is saying that that I know of....what dave said was that SCEA made a mistake in switching the cpu comeback button.

                        I really don't think anyone would say that SCEA intentionally puts cheats in the game to make it harder, they would be mistaken because that's not how SCEA rolls.

                        but it is possible that they made an honest mistake. It has been done before by the NHL series, other sports and even THIS series with broken/non-functioning sliders.

                        so the possibility is there....could dave be wrong? hell ya...and i will be the first to tell him eventhough it will be disappointing, but as of now his news is very encouraging.
                        That's just it. I think this takes a lot of heat because a lot of people are fanboys and they take offense. I am not pointing fingers here but you guys know who you are.
                        Talking in PM with Phillyfan, he quoted me and missed who I was talking about. An obvious quote more than a few times about SCEA and cheating. I wasn't referring to you, Dave. Phillyfan didn't read back to see who I was referring to. He looked back and realized it wasn't you.

                        I've seen the staunchist fan of this game give real constructive criticism and there ARE two sides to this and I'm not sure who you are referencing as a "fanboy", but after you posted Phillyfans quote, I would hope it's not me. Not getting defensive, but there HAVE been some questionable things posted by people who believe there is some sort of cheat/comeback code in this game.

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                        • davewins
                          MVP
                          • Sep 2005
                          • 1913

                          #177
                          Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

                          Originally posted by jim416
                          Talking in PM with Phillyfan, he quoted me and missed who I was talking about. An obvious quote more than a few times about SCEA and cheating. I wasn't referring to you, Dave. Phillyfan didn't read back to see who I was referring to. He looked back and realized it wasn't you.

                          I've seen the staunchist fan of this game give real constructive criticism and there ARE two sides to this and I'm not sure who you are referencing as a "fanboy", but after you posted Phillyfans quote, I would hope it's not me. Not getting defensive, but there HAVE been some questionable things posted by people who believe there is some sort of cheat/comeback code in this game.
                          You are a grown man Jim who is very reasonable. I was surely not referring to you. It's more of the "kids" here but I am not going to point fingers. I will just assure you that it is not you.
                          Last edited by davewins; 03-20-2009, 06:44 PM.

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                          • jim416
                            Banned
                            • Feb 2003
                            • 10606

                            #178
                            Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

                            Well, just remember, that works both ways. Some of the guys posting in "favor" of "cheats", "scripted play", "comebacks" can be just as absurd, lol. Whatta ya call them?

                            It's all good.

                            Gonna go play a game.

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                            • davewins
                              MVP
                              • Sep 2005
                              • 1913

                              #179
                              Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

                              Originally posted by jim416
                              Well, just remember, that works both ways. Some of the guys posting in "favor" of "cheats", "scripted play", "comebacks" can be just as absurd, lol. Whatta ya call them?

                              It's all good.

                              Gonna go play a game.
                              As I mentioned in one of my posts above.

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                              • BrightFuture
                                Rookie
                                • Mar 2009
                                • 166

                                #180
                                Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

                                Just played my first game with Comeback code ON. Most definitely it is NIGHT and DAY.

                                Computer makes more mistakes with it on. I was up 3-0 and the computer never came close to coming back. They had Votto on 2nd base with 1 out and that is the closest they would come to scoring a run.

                                I will be keeping it ON for now...

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