so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

[dave_sz]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

I played about 15-20 RTTS games in the past couple of hours with CPU COMEBACK ON. I seriously think this thing is backwards. Before, 90% of the time when I would fail a "drive the run in" goal when I was ahead or tied, the CPU team would have a huge inning right afterwards, taking 4+ run lead every time. With cpu comeback ON, this has yet to happen. Yeah they come back or tie when I'm up by a run or 2 sometimes, but never did they score 4+ runs after I failed the goal. To me it doesn't look like cpu comeback ON is actually off and vice versa. To me it seems that once the cpu is down by more than 3 runs, hey have no chance of coming back and start hitting worse than when the game was close. This has been the case in the 4-5 blow outs I had in he last few games. Once I get up by 3 or more runs, I would keep piling it on while they struggled to ge on base...

[swaldo]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

Sorry, but just played a franchise game with comeback ON and won 15-11. It was a wild, back & forth game with several comebacks. It was also the highest run total I've been involved with. Just one game but wanted to get that out....

Also, Jim I'll PM you - don't want to litter up the thread with a dispute.

[pbz06]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

Just played my 2nd game, and I have no idea what to make of this. It was a wild one that had a lot of things going on.

First of all, I was St. Louis and hosting SD. The pitching matchup was Wainwright vs. LeBlanc (I play against lower tier pitchers so I can try and play with the lead).

I took a 4-0 lead after 4 innings and felt like I was cruising. The CPU didn't have any god mode inning nor threaten with much of a rally at any time. Going into the 7th, I was thinking that maybe this is backwards afterall. Then I get 2 quick outs, and then a solo homerun...then I put in my reliever (franklin) and promptly give up a double and another single, lol...but I ended up getting out of it.

Of course I thought "great, here comes god mode again or the CPU comeback. Anyway, top of the 8th rolls along and I put in McLelan (however you spell it), a couple base hits, a mound visit, and then their pinch hitter is E. Gonzalez (a scrub bench player, NOT to be confused with Adrian Gonzalez).....anyway, yup, you guessed it. A mammoth opposite field 3-run homerun to tie the game.

At this point I was fuming, because I've seen it so many times. Oh well I figure, could be just another fluke. I get out of the inning and this is where things REALLY go weird.

To skip the dramatics, I end up blowing up their bullpen with 10 runs. I drew a couple walks, smacked a couple doubles, and highlighted by a 2-run homerun by Duncan and a GRAND SLAM by Ankiel. Don't know what happened, but the CPU was just laying meatballs, and the balls were way obvious and out of the zone.

So in conclusion, I had by far my best offensive performance...finished with a 14-4 win and pounded out 18 hits, most of the damage obviously in that bottom of the 8th.

I also don't know what to make out of it, other than keep playing along with the comeback option ON. I need a bigger sample.

I was a victim of a fishy comeback, yet at the same time I was able to dominate. The top of the 9th was a 1-2-3 easy inning.

I'm not sure if it's the comeback option that's the problem, or the God mode the CPU seems to get at times. Not sure if it's related to Confidence either. But this God mode happens at any time, whether the CPU is behind, ahead, or whatever...so I don't know what to say. It might just be nothing, or it might be a comeback thing.

[phillyfan23]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

ok....just got done my first SEASON game using CPU comeback ON....

San Diego using their 5th starter rookie pitcher Leblanc who has to be the LOWEST rated starting pitcher in the league

VERSUS

Philly 's Ace cole Hamels.

I purposely did this just to see if I can hold a lead against one of the worst teams and its pitchers. When I played this season game 2-3 days ago using comeback OFF, I couldn't for the life of me hold a lead. Replayed the games a few times for testing then too

Ok .....

FINAL SCORE
Phillies 9
Padres 1

I had 8 hits ( 3 doubles, 2 Hrs, took 3 walks)
Cpu had 4 hits ( Hr,double walked 2 times)

My sliders for this game is as follows:

LEGEND
Pitch speed 8/10
No guess pitch
no power swing

User

Contact 0/10
Power 3/10
Solid Hits 0/10
Timing 0/10

Cpu

Contact 3/10
Power 3/10
Solid hits 5/10
Timing 5/10

ok so I jump out to a 6 run lead.....after 4 innings ....6-0
top 6 padres got back a run via a HR by adrian gonzalez.

bottom 6 I tack on another run. 7-1 after 6

The last 3 innings now were the "real test".....Previously I have done this before: jumping out to a big lead only to be pulled closed in the final 3 by the cpu.

The last 3 innings, the cpu didn't score one run, but what amazed me was they didn't get ONE hit. The first 6 innings they got 1 Hr, 1 double and 4 hits total. The last 3 ...none and it was the smoothest late 3 innings I have ever encountered in this game when having a lead.

I actually did a test game for like 25 games . What I did was I played phils vs pirates hamels vs their scrub....got out to a 2-0 lead and saved. I played this game countless times maybe 25 times and EACH time i got a 4-5 run lead, the cpu would counter to make the final score less than 5. Most of those times I still won, but I only beat the cpu over 5 runs once and that was because i added 3 runs in the top of 9th and then the cpu countered with 2 runs and a bases loaded jam in the bot of 9th against Lidge ( purposefully put him there to try to get a clean inning)

Now this is my FIRST try playing the game with comeback ON, and the results were very very surprising to me.

I am happy, but I won't say 100 percent sure this is a fix, but odds are that davewins is really onto something here.

I will keep playing more games tomorrow and see what happens.

Peace out

[bcruise]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

This is JMO, but I would think that with this option turned on, you wouldn't necessarily see a larger number of comeback wins - those are going to happen regardless. I think it's more likely you'd see more lead changes - due to the handicap kicking in multiple times in a game, and more see-saw-type games.

Since nobody's posted it yet, here's the COMPLETE description, straight from the options screen (amazing that nobody's posted it in 20 pages ):

"When ON, this will give the CPU a small hitting bonus when it's losing and a small hitting penalty when it's winning. The adjustment is bigger when there's a wide lead of 4 or more runs, and disabled when runners on base threaten the lead"

Nothing in there about the user. There is a SEPARATE option for two player games that works in a similar way, but it's unrelated to the CPU's game.

[slystone]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

are you guys warming up your pitchers properly? And are you using lefty/righty matchups right, you have to match them up right in late inning situations, because batting attributes vs R/L are huge, and so are clutch ratings in late inning situations.

I'm just sayin', a lot of the "comeback code" sems to come from poor game management when starting pitchers get tired and righties are put in against clutch lefties and vice versa.

[pbz06]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

are you guys warming up your pitchers properly? And are you using lefty/righty matchups right, you have to match them up right in late inning situations, because batting attributes vs R/L are huge, and so are clutch ratings in late inning situations.

I'm just sayin', a lot of the "comeback code" sems to come from poor game management when starting pitchers get tired and righties are put in against clutch lefties and vice versa.

Yea, I never put in a reliever until he's fully warmed up.

A lot of these comebacks are with matchups in our favor as well. I mean, say Scot Shields of the Angels has been an elite setup man for the last several years. Doesn't matter if it's L/R matchup, but in the game he could be going up against Nick Punto and it feels like it's Barry Bonds.

[dmrich28]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

I've played 25 years real life competitive and know left vs right etc..

I'm not saying one way or another ..yet... but my feelings so far is , it's either opposite or non-existant when it comes to cpu comeback.

the one thing for sure is it's not "coded"

Dave

[kubankaos]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

Hey OP, you rock for trying this out. I just had a great game and the first time I held them to under 8 hits, 5 in fact, but it was my saved game from yesterday and I had only given up 3, but only gave up two hits the last 3 innings.
But one half doesn't mean caca. I can't wait to play some more, but I'm so happy only giving up 5 total hits. One was a homer, but I didn't feel as stressed.

Or maybe it was just a placebo effect? Who knows, who cares, but I like it.

[phillyfan23]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

This is JMO, but I would think that with this option turned on, you wouldn't necessarily see a larger number of comeback wins - those are going to happen regardless. I think it's more likely you'd see more lead changes - due to the handicap kicking in multiple times in a game, and more see-saw-type games.

Since nobody's posted it yet, here's the COMPLETE description, straight from the options screen (amazing that nobody's posted it in 20 pages ):

"When ON, this will give the CPU a small hitting bonus when it's losing and a small hitting penalty when it's winning. The adjustment is bigger when there's a wide lead of 4 or more runs, and disabled when runners on base threaten the lead"

Nothing in there about the user. There is a SEPARATE option for two player games that works in a similar way, but it's unrelated to the CPU's game.

wow that's the first time I read the description of the comeback option. 4 or more runs and the ratings boost to the cpu gets bigger. It's another clue why it was much harder to keep leads over 5 runs . This is another thing which gives more credence that the option could be switched.

I swear it was like CLOCKWORK whenever I got a 5- run lead with comeback OFF. people need to do more tests, but if the next game I play I can hold a lead of more than 5 runs, the percentages of Dave finding this fix is going to shoot very high in MY eyes.

I suggest everybody that's having problems controlling leads to try this. It could really be the difference. Here's to hoping that Davewins becomes the poster of the year for OS !

[bcruise]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

There is one thing I'd like to know out of all this discussion - whether or not this option affects CPU-only games. I'm asking because I just watched this with the option turned on:







Basically, it played out the same way the description says it: Big adjustment at 4 or more, and DIED completely when the tying run got on 1st. You could argue that the sacrifice was really the thing that killed it, though - I get the logic of moving the tying run into scoring pos., but they were just mashing the baseball up until then. All of the comebacking in the 9th happened with nobody out.

Just playing the devils advocate here, same as several others who are using a small sample size. And before anyone asks, it was definitely ON - I actually restarted once because I'd forgotten to change it before the first pitch.

[bcruise]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

Another one - this one had the seesaw-type effect that I had hinted at possibly occurring more often with this option on, combined with an explosion in the 9th to put it away (I'm actually surprised the Cubs went 1-2-3 in the 9th - I had my webcam all set up to capture the comeback! ):



All I can say is that if it's reversed, I'm not seeing it. At all. These are back-to-back games I've just posted. However, as I mentioned in my last post, I would like to know if this option is even influencing the CPU games in the first place.

[BigWilly]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

Ok, let me start off by saying that earlier this week, I was on the Playstation boards saying I didn’t buy this rubberband AI, comeback code, or whatever you want to call it. And then after 3 crazy comeback losses in the past 10 games, including a game where I had a 10-0 lead over Pittsburgh and then got completely owned, I decided to take a look at my last 40 games played in my Season. The first 20 games, I scored 4.0 runs/game, and gave up 3.8. The last 20 games, I scored 6.0 runs/game, and gave up 5.8. And it made me wonder why I was giving up so many more runs…and I thought perhaps it is because of this rubberband AI or at the very least some subtle bonuses given to the CPU when it is behind. Clearly, it didn’t ALWAYS happen, and I think my ERA really blew up in large part due to those games that were ridiculous (like losing 13-12 after having a 10-0 lead). Then I saw the theory on the boards about comeback AI actually being ON when it says off.

<O</OTonite, I’ve played 3 games. Here are the box scores:<O</O
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Braves `1 7 1<O</O
Cubs 5 13 0<O</O
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In game 1, I was up 5-0 after 2 innings, and held the shutout until the 9<SUP>th</SUP> inning when the CPU lead off the top of the 9<SUP>th</SUP> with a double and it came around to score. That was the only runner the CPU got as far as 2<SUP>nd</SUP> base.<O</O
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Braves 1 7 0<O</O
Cubs 10 18 0<O</O
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In game 2, I was up 5-0 after 3 innings, and gave up a run in the 6<SUP>th</SUP> to make it 7-1 before coasting to the 10-1 win. The CPU had 5 doubles, but no two were ever in the same inning.
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Braves 1 14 3<O</O
Cubs 4 11 0<O</O
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In game 3, I couldn’t get outs. I was lucky to give up just the 1 run in the 1<SUP>st</SUP> inning. The rest of the game, the CPU would put 1-2 hits together per inning but weren’t able to drive any more across. However, I didn’t get on the board myself until the bottom of the 7<SUP>th</SUP> with a 3 run HR. So the CPU only had the 8<SUP>th</SUP> and 9<SUP>th</SUP> innings to “comeback”, and was unable to score a run. This game wasn’t as good of an example given that I trailed for 7 innings (and the CPU comeback AI can’t trigger when the CPU is in the lead), but in the 2 innings where they could have comeback, they failed to score.<O</O
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Overall, these games felt *Easy*. In every other game, whether close or not so close, the CPU always seemed to have at least a few innings per game where they’d rough you up. Maybe you’d pitch out of it, maybe you wouldn’t. But you always felt threatened. These first three games after turning the Comeback AI to the ON position were fairly dull and lacking in any drama.<O</O
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Another point. I gave up 1 run only in each of those 3 games. In my last 20 games (with the Comeback AI OFF by default), I held the CPU to 1 run only twice, and gave up an average of 6 runs/per game.<O</O
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Yes, it’s a small sample size, but in combination with my previous 40 games before turning the Comeback AI, and the trend I was seeing there with the CPU scoring many more runs as I got better offensively, I think this convinces me there’s something to this. Even if it’s unintentional by the developer. Further, more I don’t care one bit about being right or wrong on this, and I’m not trying to convince anyone else. To each his own. But I’d encourage anyone to play a couple of games with the comeback AI toggled just to see if you find a difference yourself. Then form your own conclusions. Either way, enjoy the game all.<O</O

[brunnoce]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

BigWilly
i Completly agree with u...
it isnt just about the scores, but the game as a hole feels diferent with this option ON...
i ve also gone throught the frustation of blowing 10-0 leads..which felt totally unrealisitc to me , since it wasnt only once, but about 3 times on 10-0 leads and about 6 times on 7-0/6-0 leads...keep in mind those are all my big leads, so i could NEVER hold a lead that big evan with every AI hitting slider to the left(-5)

Now with the comeback option ON, it seems that the AI are finnally playing by the sliders i set...the first 3 games i tried i shout them out in all of them, so im evan considering uping their sliders for the first time, which before i would never ever think of, since i had an 5.90 team ERA.

Just like u my ERA has gona astronomical as my ofense got better..i mentioned before and i had an 4.10 ERA with a .235 team avr...once i lift my avr to .289 the AI also lift my Pitchers to a crazy 5.90 avr..that transition took 2 weeks in my season, everygame would be a high scoring contest like 11-10 or 9-8.... where before that my games were mostly pitching duels 2-1 3-2 but aways close games... now after 4 games played with AI Comeback ON ive already seen 3 games with 5 or better run diference, which i hadnt before in over 50 season games.
Which leads me to think theres something really wrong here, doenst make anysense that with the AI comback off i was having only close games and with it on i have a lot of diferent kinds of games where i should be only getting close games.

[davewins]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

are you guys warming up your pitchers properly? And are you using lefty/righty matchups right, you have to match them up right in late inning situations, because batting attributes vs R/L are huge, and so are clutch ratings in late inning situations.

I'm just sayin', a lot of the "comeback code" sems to come from poor game management when starting pitchers get tired and righties are put in against clutch lefties and vice versa.

I have played the game damn near perfectly on legend the first 100 games. Sure I made some MINOR mistakes here and there and what I saw wasn't a glaring issue at all. It was subtle, but the hits would just come after another, one after another after another after another. I have won majority of my games on legend. I have a winning record in my season with the Red Sox. I just felt like a lot of my WINS felt cheap. Every game felt exciting. It felt like I was getting the edge. I don't know what level you play on. I have never played on anything below Legend and all I can say is this game overall is harder then last year. Legend is extremely tough and you have to be on your game at all times. However, there are a lot of strange things that happen that a lot of people see and a lot of people don't.

The only way to compare this is to open up your mind and just play the game with it on. That's exactly what I did. I wasn't even a big "complainer" of this. I was completley open minded. I thought that it was possible. Well, let me tell you. I am 100% convinced that the game plays totally different with it turned on as it obviously should compared to it off. But, with it on it plays EASIER when you thought it would play HARDER. The CPU strikes out so much more looking it's unbelieveable. They strike out chasing. They chase bad pitches and get outs. I even feel like my pitcher has a little more control on the mound. It's definetley different.

I can't tell you that the comeback ai option was reversed for sure. I can't tell you that when it's on it's really off and when it's off it's really on. What I can tell you 100% positively that in my experience of playing over 100 games out of the box compared to 3 games with it turned ON. It's night and day. 3 games is NOT too small of a sample size. The game plays different and you can tell. Just like you can tell if a game plays better then last year's version. It's the same feeling. You just absolutley positively know it. If others don't see it that's fine but I know what I see and I am a completley sane individual who is not looking to waste his time lying on the internet. I'm looking to help.