so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

[carolo59]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

I quit playing legend, when I lost 6-5 In 9. I was winning 5-2 in the ninth 2 outs, basehit, walk, walk then a shot, 6-5 lost, default sliders. I tried again with CB on, that this blog suggested, the game played different, I still lost 8-0. But I made 3 errors, cost me 3 runs, but the point is the cpu plays different. For example I struckout 9 batters ( Derick lee twice ). They swing out of the zone and also they were caught looking. It just seem different, I know its just one Gm, but it just felt right Hop!! Oh by the way Legend is out of my Lea, can't hit ( practice @ Patience), thats what Iam learning from mlb09.

[Chef Matt]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

I think I may have come to a conclusion here.

I tried a few games myself last night on legend. (I usually play HOF and my games vary from blowouts to close games always feels pretty natural I have the comeback setting to off)

First 2 games with it off was an 8-7 win for me, they came back from down 6 runs in the 8th. And a 6-5 loss for me they came back to score 6 in the 7th and won.

Then I played 2 games with the setting to on.
First game was a 6-1 win for me and the second was an 8-3 win for me. Seems crazy but true.

So I conclude that the difficulty "LEGEND" HAS THIS ON BY DEFAULT in order to keep the game "competitive" for those hardcore gamers out there that can womp on the cpu relentlessly.

By messing with the setting you're actully turning it off because the game is already set to it to have comebacks on.

JMHO

I notice others who play on lower difficulties (like me) haven't seen the issue because the lower difficulties have this set to off by default.

Agian JMHO

[davewins]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

I quit playing legend, when I lost 6-5 In 9. I was winning 5-2 in the ninth 2 outs, basehit, walk, walk then a shot, 6-5 lost, default sliders. I tried again with CB on, that this blog suggested, the game played different, I still lost 8-0. But I made 3 errors, cost me 3 runs, but the point is the cpu plays different. For example I struckout 9 batters ( Derick lee twice ). They swing out of the zone and also they were caught looking. It just seem different, I know its just one Gm, but it just felt right Hop!! Oh by the way Legend is out of my Lea, can't hit ( practice @ Patience), thats what Iam learning from mlb09.

EXACTLY!!!! That's exactly what happened with me. You explained it just like I would and did. I strike the CPU out more especially looking.

I couldn't hit fastballs up. Every single time I would press down. I still do occasionally but now I don't look at the ball. It sounds crazy but because of the depth perception I concentrate on the pitcher and I keep PCI on and in the corner of my eye I pick up the ball. For some reason I can tell where the pitch is going to be in the zone now better and I can time it better. I am hitting MUCH better like this. When I would just try to concentrate on picking up the ball so hard I would end up being late on the pitch because I really couldn't tell the velocity of the pitch and location cause all my eyes were fixated on was the ball.

[jcern23]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

I think I may have come to a conclusion here.

I tried a few games myself last night on legend. (I usually play HOF and my games vary from blowouts to close games always feels pretty natural I have the comeback setting to off)

First 2 games with it off was an 8-7 win for me, they came back from down 6 runs in the 8th. And a 6-5 loss for me they came back to score 6 in the 7th and won.

Then I played 2 games with the setting to on.


First game was a 6-1 win for me and the second was an 8-3 win for me. Seems crazy but true.

So I conclude that the difficulty "LEGEND" HAS THIS ON BY DEFAULT in order to keep the game "competitive" for those hardcore gamers out there that can womp on the cpu relentlessly.

By messing with the setting you're actully turning it off because the game is already set to it to have comebacks on.

JMHO

I notice others who play on lower difficulties (like me) haven't seen the issue because the lower difficulties have this set to off by default.

Agian JMHO

I bet your right. It doesn't explain why russell wouldn't have told us that though. So maybe they don't even know that its flipped.

[davewins]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

I think I may have come to a conclusion here.

I tried a few games myself last night on legend. (I usually play HOF and my games vary from blowouts to close games always feels pretty natural I have the comeback setting to off)

First 2 games with it off was an 8-7 win for me, they came back from down 6 runs in the 8th. And a 6-5 loss for me they came back to score 6 in the 7th and won.

Then I played 2 games with the setting to on.
First game was a 6-1 win for me and the second was an 8-3 win for me. Seems crazy but true.

So I conclude that the difficulty "LEGEND" HAS THIS ON BY DEFAULT in order to keep the game "competitive" for those hardcore gamers out there that can womp on the cpu relentlessly.

By messing with the setting you're actully turning it off because the game is already set to it to have comebacks on.

JMHO

I notice others who play on lower difficulties (like me) haven't seen the issue because the lower difficulties have this set to off by default.

Agian JMHO

Great points man. I completley agree. Your honest opinion is my honest opinion as well.

Nobody is right here and nobody will ever be right here. The naysayers aren't wrong and we are right and we aren't right and naysers wrong. If that makes any sense. It will go on forever. I'm just glad that I can now enjoy the game and others can too after changing this.

That's really the bottom line.

[davewins]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

I bet your right. It doesn't explain why russell wouldn't have told us that though. So maybe they don't even know that its flipped.

I always say believe half of what you see and nothing that you hear. The same holds true here.

I would also like to know Russell's honest opinion on how the game plays with comeback set to ON.

[Chef Matt]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

Yeah whenever you find something that fixes a game for people as passionate about this game as we are here YOU win. Good Job.
Thanks

[sgthalka]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

I would also like to know Russell's honest opinion on how the game plays with comeback set to ON.

If comeback worked correctly, you wouldn't have people posting these wins, let alone wins with big margins. The AI would force the games to be closer with hitting bonuses to CPU and penalties to the player.

My conspiracy theory for now is comeback is probably bugged in reverse -- default, the player is getting a hitting penalty and the CPU is getting a hitting bonus until the CPU takes the lead.

[baseball66]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

EXACTLY!!!! That's exactly what happened with me. You explained it just like I would and did. I strike the CPU out more especially looking.

I couldn't hit fastballs up. Every single time I would press down. I still do occasionally but now I don't look at the ball. It sounds crazy but because of the depth perception I concentrate on the pitcher and I keep PCI on and in the corner of my eye I pick up the ball. For some reason I can tell where the pitch is going to be in the zone now better and I can time it better. I am hitting MUCH better like this. When I would just try to concentrate on picking up the ball so hard I would end up being late on the pitch because I really couldn't tell the velocity of the pitch and location cause all my eyes were fixated on was the ball.

i think regarding k'ing the cpu we have to be careful what we conclude here. In Carolo's situation he was behind in the game so the cpu would be take a hitting downgrade with the cpu comeback code set to ON (if it were to work correctly) thereby making cpu K's easier. In your situation though you claim that you find with the code set to ON that you are now able to K the cpu when you are ahead in the game whereas with the code set to OFF it was not so easy, correct? When testing this ON OFF option we can likely only conclude how the cpu plays when we are ahead in the game and moreso if we are ahead by a large margin, at least thats how i see it.

[baseball66]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

If comeback worked correctly, you wouldn't have people posting these wins, let alone wins with big margins. The AI would force the games to be closer with hitting bonuses to CPU and penalties to the player.

My conspiracy theory for now is comeback is probably bugged in reverse -- default, the player is getting a hitting penalty and the CPU is getting a hitting bonus until the CPU takes the lead.

the description of the cpu comeback ON OFF option doesn't say anything about a human penalty only that the cpu gets a boost or loses some ability. Does anyone find that if you are up by a decent margin that hitting becomes more difficult?

[brunnoce]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

i think regarding k'ing the cpu we have to be careful what we conclude here. In Carolo's situation he was behind in the game so the cpu would be take a hitting downgrade with the cpu comeback code set to ON (if it were to work correctly) thereby making cpu K's easier. In your situation though you claim that you find with the code set to ON that you are now able to K the cpu when you are ahead in the game whereas with the code set to OFF it was not so easy, correct? When testing this ON OFF option we can likely only conclude how the cpu plays when we are ahead in the game and moreso if we are ahead by a large margin, at least thats how i see it.

thats the thing baseball66, all those times i talked about finnaly beeing able to fool the ai hitter i was talking about situations that i had the lead...because those were the situations with the option OFF where the AI hitters would just seem to turn super human and hit everything u throw them.

[baseball66]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

thats the thing baseball66, all those times i talked about finnaly beeing able to fool the ai hitter i was talking about situations that i had the lead...because those were the situations with the option OFF where the AI hitters would just seem to turn super human and hit everything u throw them.

yes i see what you are talking about. I was just trying to say that when a person is ahead in the game and esp. by a large margin is the only time to conclude anything from whether the ON OFF option is backwards.

[davewins]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

If comeback worked correctly, you wouldn't have people posting these wins, let alone wins with big margins. The AI would force the games to be closer with hitting bonuses to CPU and penalties to the player.

My conspiracy theory for now is comeback is probably bugged in reverse -- default, the player is getting a hitting penalty and the CPU is getting a hitting bonus until the CPU takes the lead.

I agree with that 100%. I am loving these games on legend with this set to ON.

[pbz06]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

I think this applies to All-Star too, guys.

I have to play a couple more games. The first 2 games for me were inconclusive (one of them I never had the lead, and the other I had a huge lead but late in the game when I scored 10 in the 8th, so the CPU didn't get much chance to catch up).

But I do see credibility with it being ON. The OP is on to something, and a lot of people are slowly being able to confirm it.

It's not even about winning/losing, but the CPU feels un-god like, lol...which was the real problem afterall.

[Phoenixmgs]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

I noticed this topic when it had already reached 6 pages (and I have the OS boards set to display 40 messages per page). I have won big against the CPU before but it's definitely rare and I've thrown a shutout against the CPU. I have noticed this comeback stuff more on my side than the CPU to be honest since I've recently been playing a bunch of games when the CPU has jumped ahead of me first. I remember when I was down 7-2, I was able to score 6 in an inning with ease, it just felt artificial like I didn't earn the runs, more like the runs were given to me.

For the last two games, I've played with CPU comeback ON and the timing slider at -4 have felt great. They were both close games but I never felt runs were scored artificially. It feels like I've earned my runs now. For example, I had 4 or 5 run inning that started with a grounder up the middle, next batter got hit by a pitch, next batter hit a ball down the first base line where the 1B dived and the ball hit off his glove (so bases loaded), and then I struck a deep fly ball that landed for a triple and cleared the bases on a pitch I was sitting on; it felt natural, it wasn't solid single here, solid single there, double here, homerun there. My hit totals have definitely dropped for the better.

The topic is so long that I haven't read it all so I don't know what's been said and covered. All I know is that I have to get more games in but, as of now, I'm in the camp that believes the comeback option is reversed. The thing that pisses me off most is that I have to reevaluate my batting sliders, which I just started to get a real good handle on or so I thought. I will say one thing, power definitely needs to stay lowered, definitely 3 or less.