so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

[davewins]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

they have in the other threads. They say that there is no comeback logic in the game when the option is set to "off".

Not questioning your validity CB but where exactly did they say that quote. I only heard from Russell that there was no "comeback code built in". Never anything about the option being off meaning that it's on and/or never anything about the option possibly being reversed.

Have you even tried this CB?? Just out of curiousity?? I know the game is fine for you as is but have you even tried this to see if the game comes back on you with this on because that is what it's supposed to do isn't it??

And when you say THEY it was just Russell who obviously works for SCEA but he is by no means the final answer. What about Kolbe and/or Chris?? All I remember Russell saying was that there was no comeback in the game period. Like I said, nothing about the option being off possibly being flawed and being on. Again not saying he didn't say that, just don't recall it. Would love to see that quote. I'm sure he did say that CB. Still doesn't change anything about how I feel.

[brunnoce]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

they have in the other threads. They say that there is no comeback logic in the game when the option is set to "off".

As they should, let me add.

[brunnoce]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

I just wanted to report that I tried this (cpu comeback on) for 3 games last night. I know that's not enough to say anything definitively, but I will say that the whole time I truthfully felt like my game wasn't broken anymore. No absurdities just good baseball, everything felt right. It wasn't placebo at all, the game just played better, the difference was pretty obvious IMO. I played all 3 games on All-Star with default sliders (I had previously dropped to Veteran to try and quell some of the madness). The first game I jumped out to an early lead and held on to it. I was even able to tack on a few more throughout the game (Final 8-3-me). 2nd game I lost, but nothing felt like I was entering bazaar-o land like so many games these past few weeks (Final 4-2-cpu). 3rd game I went down by a couple early but I was able to put together a couple of nice rallies (something else I had been struggling with) to pull ahead and stay there (5-2-me). My wife actually came in the room at one point and she was shocked I was still playing baseball. She couldn't believe that I had been playing for hours and she hadn't heard any of the usual swearing . If this "fix" holds true it has completely saved this game for me and I couldn't be more grateful. More testing to follow.

man this is my feeeling exactly...
i was so frustated with those outrrageous comebacks i couldnt evan describe in english
And again i must say, it wasnt only the AI comeing back on me...the other way around too..with some crazy hitting that i could never put together, like getting a HR with a pitcher and guys that get 5 Hrs a season...

[brunnoce]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

Have you even tried this CB?? Just out of curiousity?? I know the game is fine for you as is but have you even tried this to see if the game comes back on you with this on because that is what it's supposed to do??

tahts a great question CB...i would like to hear what would be your experience with it since the game already plays well for u with the option tuned OFF ...
that would be interesting

[countryboy]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

Not questioning your validity CB but where exactly did they say that quote. I only heard from Russell that there was no "comeback code built in". Never anything about the option being off meaning that it's on and/or never anything about the option possibly being reversed.

Have you even tried this CB?? Just out of curiousity?? I know the game is fine for you as is but have you even tried this to see if the game comes back on you with this on because that is what it's supposed to do??

And when you say THEY it was just Russell who obviously works for SCEA but he is by no means the final answer. What about Kolbe and/or Chris?? All I remember Russell saying was that there was no comeback in the game period. Like I said, nothing about the option being off possibly being flawed and being on. Again not saying he didn't say that, just don't recall it. Would love to see that quote. I'm sure he did say that CB. Still doesn't change anything about how I feel.

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...post2039286242

Why isn't Russell the final answer? He's part of the dev team. He works along side of everyone else.

[davewins]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

As they should, let me add.

exactly.

[davewins]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...post2039286242

Why isn't Russell the final answer? He's part of the dev team. He works along side of everyone else.

Thank you CB.

[countryboy]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

oh and no, I haven't tried it.

[davewins]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

I just wanted to report that I tried this (cpu comeback on) for 3 games last night. I know that's not enough to say anything definitively, but I will say that the whole time I truthfully felt like my game wasn't broken anymore. No absurdities just good baseball, everything felt right. It wasn't placebo at all, the game just played better, the difference was pretty obvious IMO. I played all 3 games on All-Star with default sliders (I had previously dropped to Veteran to try and quell some of the madness). The first game I jumped out to an early lead and held on to it. I was even able to tack on a few more throughout the game (Final 8-3-me). 2nd game I lost, but nothing felt like I was entering bazaar-o land like so many games these past few weeks (Final 4-2-cpu). 3rd game I went down by a couple early but I was able to put together a couple of nice rallies (something else I had been struggling with) to pull ahead and stay there (5-2-me). My wife actually came in the room at one point and she was shocked I was still playing baseball. She couldn't believe that I had been playing for hours and she hadn't heard any of the usual swearing . If this "fix" holds true it has completely saved this game for me and I couldn't be more grateful. More testing to follow.

Funny thing about this is shouldn't the game be harder with this option ON?? Shouldn't you see the CPU coming back or at least making an attempt. Between all of us we have a good 10-20 games under our belt and we aren't seeing this. I know from the 3 games I played 2 I had a huge lead and kept it from the 3rd inning on when this just would not happen with option set to off.

[kingdevin]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

There is one thing I'd like to know out of all this discussion - whether or not this option affects CPU-only games. I'm asking because I just watched this with the option turned on:







Basically, it played out the same way the description says it: Big adjustment at 4 or more, and DIED completely when the tying run got on 1st. You could argue that the sacrifice was really the thing that killed it, though - I get the logic of moving the tying run into scoring pos., but they were just mashing the baseball up until then. All of the comebacking in the 9th happened with nobody out.

Just playing the devils advocate here, same as several others who are using a small sample size. And before anyone asks, it was definitely ON - I actually restarted once because I'd forgotten to change it before the first pitch.

My experience watching cpu v cpu with comeback on and off is that more than not there are still close games that end up with a 1 run difference and some times a 2 run difference. Blow outs are very rare

[phillyfan23]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

Funny thing about this is shouldn't the game be harder with this option ON?? Shouldn't you see the CPU coming back or at least making an attempt. Between all of us we have a good 10-20 games under our belt and we aren't seeing this. I know from the 3 games I played 2 I had a huge lead and kept it from the 3rd inning on when this just would not happen with option set to off.

i think it's easier now because the cpu SLIDERS make a difference.
Like bruno for example, he used all ZERO sliders in his games before with comeback OFF, and it didn't matter how low it was because the cpu comeback AI was overriding those sliders. Now that it seems that comeback AI is disabled, the cpu players are playing according to their attributes and sliders.

THat's why when I was figuring out the CPU sliders, I kept wondering, why does some game feel so easy pitching and some games feel totally the opposite . SO I kept raising CPU sliders...and the same things happened.

Funny thing was, Bruno asked me what sliders I was using and what was my ERA.....I said around 4.50 and his ERA was around 6 using ALL 0 sliders for the cpu.

He then tried my sliders and got basically the same results......

I'm relaly suspecting those boosts that the CPU has really overrides the sliders, hopefully with comeback set to "ON" and cpu comeback is disabled, sliders and attributes will play a bigger role in determining difficulty.

[baseball66]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

i have my doubts that this cpu comeback option works with cpu vs cpu games, but maybe i'm wrong. i think it was designed for human vs cpu games.

[sgthalka]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

I'm playing on Veteran, and I've been losing 80-90% of my games. Next to impossible to hold onto leads. I've had one blowout victory out of maybe 20 games total played, but the CPU does tend to get out-of-the-blue rallies, back-to-back HRs off decent pitches .. just weird stuff. Not enough to be conclusive, but enough to be annoying.

Well, one game is hardly proof, but I was finally able to hold onto a lead and win with CPU Comeback turned ON for the first time.

Granted, I was facing Mark Hendrikson in Baltimore, but I've been shut out there before by Chris Waters. I got an early 3-run lead. Baltimore was able to put men on base in the 6th and 7th innings, but I pitched out of jams. Markakis jacked a low fastball for a HR late in the game, but it seemed legitimate.

I don't know. I'm not 100% convinced off one game, but there is definitely something suspicious going on. I'll keep playing with CPU Comeback on and see how it goes.

If I wind up winning 80-90% of my games, then I'll be convinced the option is reversed.

[davewins]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

i think it's easier now because the cpu SLIDERS make a difference.
Like bruno for example, he used all ZERO sliders in his games before with comeback OFF, and it didn't matter how low it was because the cpu comeback AI was overriding those sliders. Now that it seems that comeback AI is disabled, the cpu players are playing according to their attributes and sliders.

THat's why when I was figuring out the CPU sliders, I kept wondering, why does some game feel so easy pitching and some games feel totally the opposite . SO I kept raising CPU sliders...and the same things happened.

Funny thing was, Bruno asked me what sliders I was using and what was my ERA.....I said around 4.50 and his ERA was around 6 using ALL 0 sliders for the cpu.

He then tried my sliders and got basically the same results......

I'm relaly suspecting those boosts that the CPU has really overrides the sliders, hopefully with comeback set to "ON" and cpu comeback is disabled, sliders and attributes will play a bigger role in determining difficulty.

I absolutley agree. I have power at -5 and solid contact at -5 and I can't believe how pathetic the CPU is on LEGEND lol. They really take more pitches. I have made mistakes right down the middle that they just let go by. I was very surprised to see this. I get strikeouts looking when I VERY RARELY did before. Really good stuff.

Just played a great game. Tigers vs Blue Jays. I started a season with a random team. Just held down for 30 seconds and let go. Tigers it was. LOL. I get bored playing with the Sox for too long. So this was Halladay vs Verlander. Great game. I lost 2-1 we each got 6 hits. I hit one double and 5 singles. I got to Halladay early and then he got tough. I pitched great with Verlander but he just ran out of gas because of high pitch count early and then my bullpen was great. Put in Zach Miner cold because I did 2 mound visits by accident with Verlander LOL.

Zach Miner's line after coming in cold out of the pen in a pressure situation (man on 2nd 2 outs holding a 1 run lead) 2.1IP 0H, 0R, 0ER, 1BB, 1K (looking on a slider)

Awesome game.

[loogs]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

decided to try for myself since all of my games prior have had the CPU mount ridiculous comebacks. i gave up the lead in the first and was down 1-0 till the seventh. the CPU tacked on another run then i added my first so i was down 2-1. the game ended like that. its only 1 game and i never had the lead so, ill try again.