so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

[davewins]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

I don't know how much CPU Comeback affects, but it definitely feels like CPU batters are swinging at stuff low in the zone they would have ignored before. This leads to more grounders. And they chase more out of the zone, which leads to more strikeouts.

That's it right there Sgt. You said it best. That's EXACTLY what I see as well. More dp's when I make a decent pitch low out of the zone and more strikeouts because they chase more. Also more weak popouts.

[PsychoBulk]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

It would seem that dave is onto something here, going by the evidence so far.

Ill try this out myself too, i have to admit all the games ive played so far with it OFF have been close, ill try it ON later.

I would dearly love a dev to come in and clear this up once and for all though because otherwise i feel we will be running round in circles on this issue for months to come.

[davewins]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

It would seem that dave is onto something here, going by the evidence so far.

Ill try this out myself too, i have to admit all the games ive played so far with it OFF have been close, ill try it ON later.

I would dearly love a dev to come in and clear this up once and for all though because otherwise i feel we will be running round in circles on this issue for months to come.

Why don't you just play some games with it ON and you be the judge. Afterall it's really only a matter of playing with it ON vs playing with it OFF. It's not a matter of if it's screwed up or not. The game plays better imho with it ON so I play with it ON.

I would just give it a try and if you don't like how it plays then go back. Like I said, you only have 2 options LOL. If you like it with it ON play like that. If you like it with it OFF, play like that. Forget about who is right or wrong at this point.

[sgthalka]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

At the very least, ya have to admit CPU Comeback is not functioning correctly if everyone here finds the game easier to play when it is turned ON and harder when it is turned OFF.

Well, not "easier" ... more "normal" ... less evidence of AI cheezing.

[baseball66]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

It would seem that dave is onto something here, going by the evidence so far.

Ill try this out myself too, i have to admit all the games ive played so far with it OFF have been close, ill try it ON later.

I would dearly love a dev to come in and clear this up once and for all though because otherwise i feel we will be running round in circles on this issue for months to come.

I highly doubt the devs are going to come in here and say they made a mistake. Now if indeed they did make a mistake with the option then maybe we might see them fix it in a patch and then we would really be mixed up, lol.

[countryboy]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

Legend default with Comback set to off (default)

[davewins]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

At the very least, ya have to admit CPU Comeback is not functioning correctly if everyone here finds the game easier to play when it is turned ON and harder when it is turned OFF.

Yes I am a firm believer. Personally I don't want to even go there though with all the arguments that arise. But, yes I completley 100% agree.

I have always had 1 or 2 run games with it off. I would feel like I got lucky to come back. Every game was exciting. Now out of 5 games played 4 of them were boring. Not one has been a 1 run game. I won 12-4, won 9-2, lost 5-1, lost 2-5, and won 8-6. So one has been a 2 run game.

The interesting thing is how it affects the human offense too. I actually find it more difficult to hit now. I wonder what my batting average was when I was down by 2+ runs. Probably .400 with a lot of HR's. Now I feel like it's all the same no matter what the score is. Everything is even.

[davewins]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

Legend default with Comback set to off (default)

what does that prove??????

Not to be a dick but all box scores prove is you can post a screenshot of a box score.

You just can't argue this. Only thing you can do is try it and if you think it's different all well and good enjoy the game. If you like it on off mode then I personally don't even know why you are in the thread to be completley honest.

[loogs]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

my second game with CPU: on.

so after i lost my first game with cpu on, i just played my second game. what a huge difference. i just beat the houston astros 13-0.

i scored 1 in the 1st and 1 in the 2nd off of oswalt. then in the 3rd i scored 6 rund off of oswalt and another reliever. at this point i really expected the cpu to turn it on and make a comeback. lol, that never happened. i wound up scattering 6 hits with livan hernandez and shawn green who i brought in in the 9th.

all of the hits i got felt well deserved. i never felt like i got a cheap hit or run. i capitalized on 2 errors by the astros. 1 being a 3 run homer after a throwing error prolonged the inning.

like i said, i was waiting for the cpu to make a big comeback but it never happened. if i gave up a leadoff walk or a hit, i would get a double play. when hunter pence hit a triple with 1 out, i got carlos lee to pop up and i struck out berkman (maybe not in that order).

you guys can say what you want, but there is something definitely going on. i know its only 2 games in my case, but prior to this i could barely hold on to a lead.

as i am playing spring training games, the leads that i was giving up was against the minor leaguers or bench players of these teams as the cpu rallies would usually occur in the later innings.

like i said earlier, the 13 runs is the most i have scored so far. i did score 8 runs once (with comback off) and i barely won that game 8-7 as the cpu had an almost amazing like rally that just fell short.

more games to come.

[PsychoBulk]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

I highly doubt the devs are going to come in here and say they made a mistake.

Quite possibly hence me saying otherwise i feel we will be running round in circles on this issue for months to come.

That said the devs in here are good guys, if it is the wrong way round ive no doubt they will fix it and let us know, but as dave says, the best thing we can all do at the minute is try it for ourselves which is what im planning to do.

[SoxFan01605]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

I highly doubt the devs are going to come in here and say they made a mistake. Now if indeed they did make a mistake with the option then maybe we might see them fix it in a patch and then we would really be mixed up, lol.

If they found an issue, they would own up to it. I've shot numerous PMs to Kolbe, Russell, and others and have always gotten an honest response. Not always what I wanted to hear...lol...but honest.

They're also quite open in these threads when they goof something. They'll be back in just over a week, so I'd expect we'll hear from some of them around then or shortly after. No worries.

[phillyfan23]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

Yes I am a firm believer. Personally I don't want to even go there though with all the arguments that arise. But, yes I completley 100% agree.

I have always had 1 or 2 run games with it off. I would feel like I got lucky to come back. Every game was exciting. Now out of 5 games played 4 of them were boring. Not one has been a 1 run game. I won 12-4, won 9-2, lost 5-1, lost 2-5, and won 8-6. So one has been a 2 run game.

The interesting thing is how it affects the human offense too. I actually find it more difficult to hit now. I wonder what my batting average was when I was down by 2+ runs. Probably .400 with a lot of HR's. Now I feel like it's all the same no matter what the score is. Everything is even.

yes it does affect human offense.....in my tests with comeback off about a week ago, whenever I had the lead i remember striking out when I knew I made slight contact with the pci, more double plays and more great plays by the infielders of the cpu.

Bruno's tests were when he was BEHIND, and his pitcher hit a hr on a bomb.

just played another 2 games won 8-2 , cpu scored 2 in the 1st inning....then u know the rest

next game i lost 5-1 they scored 2 early i scored 1 then they added 3 for insurance.

games feel so much more natural now.

[davewins]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

In all honesty questioning this reversed option is just questioning my validity as a poster here at OS. I am not lying with what I see. I am as honest as they come. I didn't write this up to have fun arguing with people. I wrote this up to help people. If people want to try it and it works for them then it's great. If they try it and don't feel it makes a difference then great. They can go back to playing with it off. This isn't a debate or an argument of who is right here. It's simply a test of this option possibly being reversed so that some of us can enjoy the game better.

You simply can not argue this for either side. The only thing you can do is play it and see for yourself. There is no right or wrong answer here. We can be here for days coming up with reasoning why it is or isn't flawed and nobody will get anywhere. The best that we can do as a community is try it and if you like how it plays with it turned ON then keep playing with it turned ON.

It's really as simple and/or as complicated as that.

[countryboy]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

what does that prove??????

Not to be a dick but all box scores prove is you can post a screenshot of a box score.

You just can't argue this. Only thing you can do is try it and if you think it's different all well and good enjoy the game. If you like it on off mode then I personally don't even know why you are in the thread to be completley honest.

I'm getting sick of you jumping my sh!t just because I post something that doesn't agree with your findings. All I was doing was posting this so that I have something on record for when I do try the game with the option set to on. Thats it.

And once again, I'm NOT ARGUING A DAMN THING!!! Nothing, zilch, nada, not one f'n thing. This is the going thread right now discussing this issue. Excuse me for posting my findings in this thread. Until a mod tells me that I can't post my findings, then I'm going to post my findings and contribute to the discussion as I see fit.

So please, put me on ignore or whatever you have to do but don't jump my sh!t because I have a difference of opinion right now. I'm getting sick of it. Thanks.

[davewins]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

games feel so much more natural now.

That is does!

The funny thing is I went into this with an open mind. I said you know what, a lot of people are seeing this. I am seeing it but not as bad. I am going to try to play a game with this option turned ON and see if things get out of hand. That's what I was looking for. I wasn't really expecting it to play as good as it does. I was looking for it to play even harder. I just figured that they made legend ridiculously hard and pitching PERFECT on the mound was just all bout how they made the new difficulty level. Well when I coasted to my first 12-4 victory and was CRUISING on the mound with a complete game (my first one in over 100 games might I add) I was convinced. Striking out batters MUCH MUCH easier. Getting outs by having guys chase pitches out of the zone. They swing at pitches low out of the zone and ground into dp's and just weak choppers, and they swing at pitches up for easy pop outs. I just struck out Vernon Wells on a 3-2 changeup that was supposed to be outside but it ran back in. It just had such good movement and he was so fooled by the speed that he missed it. That kind of stuff never happened before. It feels great.