so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

[bukktown]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

Well this is from my first game with CPU comeback on. Although the cpu did comeback on me it seemed just like a normal game. I made 2 mistakes and Thome and Quentin punished them. It wasnt like the previous games where every hitter in the lineup was peppering the gaps. I really wasnt frightened of their 7, 8, 9 hitters like I normally have been.

I play on Legend with modified sliders and everything seemed different. The outfielders throw a lot harder on Legend mode, but this game they threw the ball like they do on All-Star or Veteran (more loft, less velocity). There is definitely something weird going on with this setting.
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[BigWilly]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

This thread has become a headache. There's people on here that say that they're not trying to convince anyone of anything, then get excited about any contrary opinions. It's all a little evangelical sounding. There's no sense discussing a very debateable subject if you're not prepared to listen to both sides.

At the end of the day, everyone on here has an opinion one way or the other. Arguing about it back and forth is a waste of your time. So long as you're happy with YOUR game, who gives a sh!t. Comeback AI reversed or not, we all love the game - soooo... - just play the game.

[davewins]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

This thread has become a headache. There's people on here that say that they're not trying to convince anyone of anything, then get excited about any contrary opinions. It's all a little evangelical sounding. There's no sense discussing a very debateable subject if you're not prepared to listen to both sides.

At the end of the day, everyone on here has an opinion one way or the other. Arguing about it back and forth is a waste of your time. So long as you're happy with YOUR game, who gives a sh!t. Comeback AI reversed or not, we all love the game - soooo... - just play the game.

10-4 on that. Let's just all enjoy the game. Bukktown thinks something is up but that doesn't mean that there definetley is. I think there's something up that doesn't mean that there definetley is. CB might think different that doesn't mean he's wrong. It's all a matter of opinion. We have 2 options here. To play with it ON or to play with it OFF. That's all we have to do. WE don't need a 3rd option (to argue who's right and who's wrong!!) LOL.

[SoxFan01605]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

We are never going to come to an agreement and "figure this out". It's just not going to happen. You said you worked in the investigative field?? Sorry if you didn't, just thought you did. If so, you would know that you need solid evidence to come to a conviction.

I'll be the first to admit. I saw what I saw and couldn't believe the difference so I posted results. The results meant a lot to me but in all reality they don't mean anything to anyone because it doesn't prove or disprove anything.

This all started as a matter of opinion (with the allegations of the CPU coming back) and it will end as a matter of opinion.

Do you understand where I am coming from? Nobody here can prove/disprove anything about this. It's just all circumstantial evidence. There is no hard evidence in something of this nature. This isn't like the players all turned yellow with it on vs off. That's easy hard evidence. This is all opinionated.

Believe it or not I DO understand where you are coming from...lol.

I think you are not understanding where I am coming from. I've said it a couple times now. On the issue of CPU comeback perceptions, we agree. NOBODY will ever 100% agree on that. In fact, I've tried to move past that.

What the primary point of discussion should be (based even on the title of the thread) is where the disparity is. Whether or not the mode is black or white. The developers should be able to confirm one way or the other. If they do confirm, what then? That's why I wanted to dig deeper.

You mentioned evidence (on an aside, I was never an "investigator". I was a troubleshooter. I've worked primarliy in a QA capacity for some time now...just wanted to clarify), and you are correct. There is no hard evidence. However, you want to try and gather as much information as possible to be able to recreate the issue as closely as possible.

Meaning, you assert that the CPU comeback mode is reversed. The use of boxscores is one way to show difference between the two. It can show run scoring patterns. A game recap is even better. It will show an inning by inning breakdown of what's happening in these situations.

Is it exact? No, but it's a start. Also, narrowing down the issue a much as possible is important. What modes does it happen on? Does it happen on all modes but in a tiered manner? To what degree are the differences?

None of these are hard evidence themselves, but can point in the right direction.

This is why I've asked questions about Legend mode itself. If we can pinpoint probablilty to one mode, it becomes easier to reference. None of this is to say WE can resolve it (again, going back to perception), but with the right kind of info, it can point SCEA to an area you'd want them to check.

What if it's bigger than a reverse in the comeback option? Or what if it's a separate issue alltogether that just happens to have bugged the option itself?

The reason I ask all these questions is because you are claiming dramatic changes to aspects of the game that the mode is not intended to effect. So maybe the issue isn't a reversal of the option, but the option being bugged in some way beyond that. That is something much harder (I'd imagine) for SCEA to pinpoint.

None of this is a statement of fact. Only meant to dig a bit deeper to find what may be at the root. Also, to reiterate, this is not disputing the perception of what is different, but discussing the possibility of what else (if anything) could be at play.

EDIT: Also, I'm not saying all those questions can be definitively answered. I just think they should be on the table to try and figure out if there is a hard issue in the game. Obviously perception will be what it will be...lol. I'm simply talking narrowing down. It's not about proving or disproving as much as it is pinpointing the hard errors.

[phillyfan23]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

10-4 on that. Let's just all enjoy the game. Bukkake thinks something is up but that doesn't mean that there definetley is. I think there's something up that doesn't mean that there definetley is. CB might think different that doesn't mean he's wrong. It's all a matter of opinion. We have 2 options here. To play with it ON or to play with it OFF. That's all we have to do. WE don't need a 3rd option (to argue who's right and who's wrong!!) LOL.

WTF Dave?!!?!?!?!

[davewins]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

oh dammmmmmmmmmmmmmmn my bad!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[sgthalka]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

Eh ... for what it's worth, I've now played 3 games with Comeback ON with Veteran difficulty. I've won them all. I haven't seen any late-game comeback rallies. The difficulty feels like previous years now. (I've been playing The Show since MLB 06. Used to play All-Star until this year.) I can string hits together now. I can jack HRs on mistake pitches.

I barely won 3 games out of 20 on Veteran with Comeback OFF. I could never string hits together. I was lucky if I got 6-7 hits total. I could barely hit home runs, I could never hang onto leads without the AI orchestrating a flurry of hits and HRs off good pitches.

Maybe I magically became awesome today.

Or maybe the dang thing is reversed. Whatever. I'm leaving it on, and I'm happy.

[ericjwm]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

I'm quite shocked at Sony for even including CPU comeback as an option. NEVER should a sports developer put anything even remotely like that anywhere near their game... let alone Sony's prized baseball simulation series.
Seriously what were they thinking!!??

On a side note, I don't believe that the feature is glitched as a whole. I think some are possibly imaging this due to the much more skilled/enhanced AI batting logic (especially on Legend) compared to last yrs game. Oh, and also because Sony actually put the idea in peoples heads by making it readily available.


Now I don't play on legend all that much, but it could be that the comeback code is just programmed right into Legend mode, thus making it even more difficult. So maybe by turning it ON that would then do the opposite & flick it OFF.

Regardless, I think I'll just be avoiding this Legendary mode when I start my season.... All-Star & HOF are fine by me.

[shadyridr]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

Yeah one thing I noticed with Comeback ON is I could hit all of a sudden. I can never hit. The difference was night and day.

[Mr.Wednesday]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

oh dammmmmmmmmmmmmmmn my bad!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I laughed so hard my stomach still hurts.

[davewins]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

I laughed so hard my stomach still hurts.

I'm going to go ahead and edit that LOL. I swear I'm not a perv and the last thing I am thinking about is THAT in a message board filled with GUYS. lmao

I'm sorry bukktown, I truly am man.

[minister]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

You have absolutely saved the game for me dave, thanks. I was ready to sell the blame thing, it was just so aggravating with the computer always coming back in the 8 and 9 innings.

I play as the Yankees and Soriono(spelling) has blown ever save to lose the game in th 9th inning, not anymore, turn the cpu comeback on, Soriono now has got 3 saves.

Thank you, Thank you, Thank you.

Now time to go study the Word, and get ready for Church tomorrow, just wanted to say have noticed a difference, again thank you for saving this game for me anyway.

[davewins]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

You have absolutely saved the game for me dave, thanks. I was ready to sell the blame thing, it was just so aggravating with the computer always coming back in the 8 and 9 innings.

I play as the Yankees and Soriono(spelling) has blown ever save to lose the game in th 9th inning, not anymore, turn the cpu comeback on, Soriono now has got 3 saves.

Thank you, Thank you, Thank you.

Now time to go study the Word, and get ready for Church tomorrow, just wanted to say have noticed a difference, again thank you for saving this game for me anyway.

You are welcome man. I am glad you can enjoy the game with this option set ON even if it means helping the Yankees win!

Go wolfpack!!

[Marino]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

You are welcome man. I am glad you can enjoy the game with this option set ON even if it means helping the Yankees win!

Go wolfpack!!

Hell Yes!

[carolo59]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

Play it yourself and you be the judge. We can't convince you by posting any stats. We are not trying to convince. Just trying to help. The thing is you have to try it yourself and be the judge yourself. I noticed the difference right away. I don't need to build statistics and box scores. I saw it right away.

Forget about the fact that I couldn't beat the CPU by more then 4 runs in one game in over 100+ games played and in my first 2 games I won by 8 and 7. I threw that out the window now. What's more "proof" to me is how it plays. Everything feels organic. The cpu feels like they can swing and miss and not hit everything at any given time.

LOL, the Marlins #3 starter threw 8.1 innings against the Reds. The Reds are good in this game. Look at the ratings that's what you have to go by if you want to talk about playing against "good" or "bad" teams.

Hey David its carolo again, I played two more games, but I drop down to HOF. I won 4-2 @ lost 4-2, on default silders. I cannot explain it, it just seems like real baseball, @ the difference I feel is like, in real baseball you make a mistake and you are in trouble, but you can get out of it, without the cpu pounding you, with what ever type of pitch you are throwing. This is with the CB switch on. I just dont know, but the games are great. I read Phoeinx blog and he is right too, it plays better for him too. And both of you Are legend players also.