so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

[countryboy]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

I would just try some games with Comeback turned ON and compare the results.

Dave is obviously an excitable guy.

thats what I'm did. I'm transferring those boxscores from system to cpu right now. I'll post those in a few.

[countryboy]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

This thread is for people to post their findings while playing the game on Legend with the cpu comeback turned ON. Anyone else posting in this thread is simply trying to stir the pot.

ps: Forgot to mention that fanboys aren't welcome and you know who you are.

I didn't know you were a mod.

[baseball66]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

thats what I'm did. I'm transferring those boxscores from system to cpu right now. I'll post those in a few.

Well i have to say that by already jumping all over Dave for him saying he saw a difference while playing the game with the option turned ON that you've already discredited yourself.

[davewins]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

Look I will say this one more time just so everybody knows where I actually stand on this matter. Again....

Nobody is RIGHT or WRONG in this. You can simply not prove or disprove either argument if the comeback ai is indeed reversed. Posting results is basically pointless if we are trying to persuade the other side in the argument. I can win games 11-0 and break out 11-0 in the first inning and hold that lead the entire game and that does NOT mean that there is or isn't comeback ai enabled in the game. Just like if I win 2-0 or 3-0 and I hold that lead for 5 innings. This does not prove or disprove that there is comeback ai in the game. It's one big grey area. It's all about what you are seeing and stats just simply won't prove or disprove anything. I will be the first to admit that I have done this as well. Nobody is right and nobody will be right on this matter. It's all a matter of opinion.

The only thing that we as a community can do right now is play the game with it OFF or play the game with it ON. To even try to disprove anybody elses beliefs is pretty much pointless. There just isn't enough actual evidence involved. It's all circumstantial and opinionated. That's where I stand on this matter. The best thing we can do is just play the game and use this thread as an option for those that feel the game does indeed come back a little too much. They can try to turn it ON and if they enjoy it then all well and good. If they don't and think it plays even harder then they can go back to having it OFF.

Good luck everyone and most of all enjoy this beautiful game. I think the one thing we all have in common is we have passion for this game here. Let's all enjoy this game as much as we can for whatever option we want to choose to play it on.

[SoxFan01605]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

ok, let me ask this that for everybody

HAS ANYONE THAT TRIED(PLAYED, NO MOM) THE OPTION ON FELT THE COMEBACK CODE KICKED IN AND MADE THE GAME CLOSE?

becasue if theres not evan one person, we can already afirm that for a start the option is broken...than we can get to other assumptions like the option is reversed..but for me whats cleary now is that the option is broken.

thats a simple question..because i see some people that didnt try it disvaluing it without evan test it first.

THIS is a much more reasonable point...lol. I played two games (as I mentioned earlier in the thread) and won both 7-4, 4-1. I didn't notice much difference to be honest, but the games were close. So the possibilty it's at least broken could very well be plausible.

My understanding of how the mode is supposed to function though, is the CPU gets a slight edge in these situations until a lead is broken open to four or more runs. So maybe my sample is no good. This is on default All-Star, BTW.

What I proposed earlier (which was missed or ignored) is that MAYBE it's an issue with LEGEND. Meaning IF the thing is reversed, then maybe it's much more noticeable on LEGEND mode.

The interesting thing is, some of what you guys are attributing to the switch goes beyong what the mode's intended purpose is. Meaning the feeling of your hitting being handicapped (one way or the other) shouldn't happen. In theory, the only thing remotely resembling that should be the CPU pitcher getting his boost and being a bit tougher. It shouldn't be as night and day as you guys are making it out.

Which brings me back to LEGEND mode. Is it possible that something between the mode and the comeback handicap is goofed? Could the mode be auto-switched by mistake?

Those are my questions. I'm not trying to discredit anyone. I'm trying to get answers. Some might not be interested in finding the root cuase (if there is one to be explained), but that's just not me...lol. I'm a troubleshooter by nature (and by profession over the last 10 years) so getting to the bottom of things is my interest.

In all honesty, I don't understand why that should be an issue. IF we find an issue and can pinpoint it more accurately, it leads to a greater chance of said issue being fixed by the devs. At the very least, it might provide some insight as to why everyone is seeing something different.

[countryboy]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

Well i have to say that by already jumping all over Dave for him saying he saw a difference while playing the game with the option turned ON that you've already discredited yourself.

Care to show me where I did that?

[baseball66]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

I didn't know you were a mod.

Well i've seen plenty of warnings in different threads from Mods about flaming and things getting out of hand and really that's all i see you trying to do here. If you want to start a thread about how the game plays with comeback OFF be our guest.

[baseball66]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

Care to show me where I did that?

Your joking right?

[Chef Matt]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

THIS is a much more reasonable point...lol. I played two games (as I mentioned earlier in the thread) and won both 7-4, 4-1. I didn't notice much difference to be honest, but the games were close. So the possibilty it's at least broken could very well be plausible.

My understanding of how the mode is supposed to function though, is the CPU gets a slight edge in these situations until a lead is broken open to four or more runs. So maybe my sample is no good. This is on default All-Star, BTW.

What I proposed earlier (which was missed or ignored) is that MAYBE it's an issue with LEGEND. Meaning IF the thing is reversed, then maybe it's much more noticeable on LEGEND mode.

The interesting thing is, some of what you guys are attributing to the switch goes beyong what the mode's intended purpose is. Meaning the feeling of your hitting being handicapped (one way or the other) shouldn't happen. In theory, the only thing remotely resembling that should be the CPU pitcher getting his boost and being a bit tougher. It shouldn't be as night and day as you guys are making it out.

Which brings me back to LEGEND mode. Is it possible that something between the mode and the comeback handicap is goofed? Could the mode be auto-switched by mistake?

Those are my questions. I'm not trying to discredit anyone. I'm trying to get answers. Some might not be interested in finding the root cuase (if there is one to be explained), but that's just not me...lol. I'm a troubleshooter by nature (and by profession over the last 10 years) so getting to the bottom of things is my interest.

In all honesty, I don't understand why that should be an issue. IF we find an issue and can pinpoint it more accurately, it leads to a greater chance of said issue being fixed by the devs. At the very least, it might provide some insight as to why everyone is seeing something different.

I don't think it was by mistake, I think it was set to on by default in order to keep the games close at the highest difficulty for those that kill the cpu every year. And it's possible that since they had a comeback code set for this difficulty (in order for it to be "legend") they added it as an option to lesser difficulties as well. That is just my guess though.

[SoxFan01605]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

what findings?
we need to see findings with the option turned on...
with it turned off, its already been discussed over and over again...

I posted what I got with the option turned on. Others have as well. CB posted his (not sure if his were on or off).

The point is, NOBODY was trying to discredit anyone. Some of us are here to try to figure this out.

If we post information contrary to the consensus findings in here OR ask questions about them (which is all I've ever done, if you care to check my history) it's not necessarily meant to question anyone personally. I've never tried to discredit anyone in here. I've asked questions. Some have been answered.

I might not agree with the specifics of what is being claimed. That doesn't mean I'm not interested in trying to figure out if something is indeed amiss. That's all.

[countryboy]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

Well i've seen plenty of warnings in different threads from Mods about flaming and things getting out of hand and really that's all i see you trying to do here. If you want to start a thread about how the game plays with comeback OFF be our guest.

Again, care to show me where I flamed him for his stance? Or where I told him he was wrong?

[countryboy]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

Your joking right?

nope, not at all.

If you feel that I'm trolling this thread, then report me to the mods. Its the little exclamation point under my user name next to my status light.

[countryboy]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

Ok...all 4 of these are on Legend with default sliders.

Comeback off(how its set by default)






Comeback on(turned on before 1st pitch)





I gotta be honest. In this small sample, I didn't feel any difference between the two settings. Could be that I need to play a few more with the option turned on.

[davewins]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

I posted what I got with the option turned on. Others have as well. CB posted his (not sure if his were on or off).

The point is, NOBODY was trying to discredit anyone. Some of us are here to try to figure this out.

If we post information contrary to the consensus findings in here OR ask questions about them (which is all I've ever done, if you care to check my history) it's not necessarily meant to question anyone personally. I've never tried to discredit anyone in here. I've asked questions. Some have been answered.

I might not agree with the specifics of what is being claimed. That doesn't mean I'm not interested in trying to figure out if something is indeed amiss. That's all.

We are never going to come to an agreement and "figure this out". It's just not going to happen. You said you worked in the investigative field?? Sorry if you didn't, just thought you did. If so, you would know that you need solid evidence to come to a conviction.

I'll be the first to admit. I saw what I saw and couldn't believe the difference so I posted results. The results meant a lot to me but in all reality they don't mean anything to anyone because it doesn't prove or disprove anything.

This all started as a matter of opinion (with the allegations of the CPU coming back) and it will end as a matter of opinion.

So let's put it this way. The first game I played I won 12-4. My biggest victory before was by 4 runs and this was in approximatley 100+ games played. Now I had the option on. Now one would think that this option would kick in (since I had it on) and help the CPU out by giving them a batting bonus and maybe I win 12-6 or 12-8 or 12-10 whatever. This is all circumstantial. Even though my box score points to the option being broken (since it was on they should of made a game out of it) doesn't by any means mean that it in fact is broken. It just could of meant that I pitched better then the CPU the entire time and I pitched better even when they had an attribute bonus. It just means that I, the user, pitched better then the CPU with their hitting bonus. That's all it could mean. Or it could mean that in fact the CPU boost never took place at all and the option IS in fact reversed. The fact that I haven't won a game by 8 pushed me more towards the latter but that doesn't mean that I can prove anything with that.

Do you understand where I am coming from? Nobody here can prove/disprove anything about this. It's just all circumstantial evidence. There is no hard evidence in something of this nature. This isn't like the players all turned yellow with it on vs off. That's easy hard evidence. This is all opinionated.

[Chef Matt]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

We are never going to come to an agreement and "figure this out". It's just not going to happen. You said you worked in the investigative field?? Sorry if you didn't, just thought you did. If so, you would know that you need solid evidence to come to a conviction.

I'll be the first to admit. I saw what I saw and couldn't believe the difference so I posted results. The results meant a lot to me but in all reality they don't mean anything to anyone because it doesn't prove or disprove anything.

This all started as a matter of opinion (with the allegations of the CPU coming back) and it will end as a matter of opinion.

So let's put it this way. The first game I played I won 12-4. My biggest victory before was by 4 runs and this was in approximatley 100+ games played. Now I had the option on. Now one would think that this option would kick in (since I had it on) and help the CPU out by giving them a batting bonus and maybe I win 12-6 or 12-8 or 12-10 whatever. This is all circumstantial. Even though my box score points to the option being broken (since it was on they should of made a game out of it) doesn't by any means mean that it in fact is broken. It just could of meant that I pitched better then the CPU the entire time and I pitched better even when they had an attribute bonus. It just means that I, the user, pitched better then the CPU with their hitting bonus. That's all it could mean. Or it could mean that in fact the CPU boost never took place at all and the option IS in fact reversed. The fact that I haven't won a game by 8 pushed me more towards the latter but that doesn't mean that I can prove anything with that.

Do you understand where I am coming from? Nobody here can prove/disprove anything about this. It's just all circumstantial evidence. There is no hard evidence in something of this nature. This isn't like the players all turned yellow with it on vs off. That's easy hard evidence. This is all opinionated.

Although I think we have ALL seen the ghost players in past years games LOL!!