so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

[davewins]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

yes i see what you are talking about. I was just trying to say that when a person is ahead in the game and esp. by a large margin is the only time to conclude anything from whether the ON OFF option is backwards.

I understand what you are saying but the difference is dramatic. I am K'ing the CPU at all different times of the game. Overall the CPU just isn't as good whether the game is tied, I'm down, or I'm up.

[JT30]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

I'm gonna try this after the Uconn game this afternoon. After reading all this, it wouldnt surprise me if the cpu comeback on/off switch is reveresed since last year, the catch region indicator switch was broken.

[rp71284]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

I've tried reading a few pages and noticed the same thing. The team you guys are playing with is usually the better team (outside of the Cards/Cubs example).

I mean what do you expect when you're the Red Sox playing the Orioles. No offense to any O's fans, but they are basically the cellar dwellers of the AL East. Marlins/Reds was closer, but Arroyo is pretty average as well.

I'd like to see this the other way around. Somebody use Pirates/Cubs or Nationals/Phillies. If you can jump out to a lead, see if they come back on you. Just like real baseball, when bad teams are getting blown out, the chances of a comeback drastically are reduced. But bad teams are bad at holding leads, since their bullpens usually are not very good.

Lastly, I think 2-3 games is not enough to say its broken or not. Play 2 months of a season or something. If every game that the CPU is down 3 runs they lose, then you're on to something. And like I said earlier, no amount of AI comeback logic can save bad teams. Maybe once every 20-30 times.

[davewins]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

I've tried reading a few pages and noticed the same thing. The team you guys are playing with is usually the better team (outside of the Cards/Cubs example).

I mean what do you expect when you're the Red Sox playing the Orioles. No offense to any O's fans, but they are basically the cellar dwellers of the AL East. Marlins/Reds was closer, but Arroyo is pretty average as well.

I'd like to see this the other way around. Somebody use Pirates/Cubs or Nationals/Phillies. If you can jump out to a lead, see if they come back on you. Just like real baseball, when bad teams are getting blown out, the chances of a comeback drastically are reduced. But bad teams are bad at holding leads, since their bullpens usually are not very good.

Lastly, I think 2-3 games is not enough to say its broken or not. Play 2 months of a season or something. If every game that the CPU is down 3 runs they lose, then you're on to something. And like I said earlier, no amount of AI comeback logic can save bad teams. Maybe once every 20-30 times.

Play it yourself and you be the judge. We can't convince you by posting any stats. We are not trying to convince. Just trying to help. The thing is you have to try it yourself and be the judge yourself. I noticed the difference right away. I don't need to build statistics and box scores. I saw it right away.

Forget about the fact that I couldn't beat the CPU by more then 4 runs in one game in over 100+ games played and in my first 2 games I won by 8 and 7. I threw that out the window now. What's more "proof" to me is how it plays. Everything feels organic. The cpu feels like they can swing and miss and not hit everything at any given time.

LOL, the Marlins #3 starter threw 8.1 innings against the Reds. The Reds are good in this game. Look at the ratings that's what you have to go by if you want to talk about playing against "good" or "bad" teams.

[SoxFan01605]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

Well I've now played two games with it on. I won one 7-4 and the other was a 4-1 win. No sense of CPU comeback in either game (although I never jumped out that far in either game).

So, either my sample's no good (due to the closer scores) or the mode could be messed up, I suppose. In any case, I haven't noticed a reversal in the option as I wasn't having issues with it set to "off". I'm really not sure what people are seeing or "feeling" here. The game flowed much the same way most do (meaning I didn't feel more/less threatened by the CPU).

No matter what, it's supposed to be a subtle effect overall, so that's why I'm confused on the big change people are seeing. I'm thinking it's more an issue with LEGEND than anything else, as I play on All-Star (default) and notice nothing.

Or maybe it's just more noticeable the higher you go in level? I dunno. I'm likely switching back to HOF by the time I start my franchise, so if I notice anything then (or remember to check by that time) I'll take a look.

Anyway, no matter the "why" behind it (which, to be honest, is driving my curious nature nuts...lol) I'm glad you guys feel you found something that works.

[the_riot]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

Why on earth did they put this feature in the game? Talk about a can of worms.

[JT30]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

Another thing that is interesting. The option is called "CPU COMEBACK HANDICAP". You could read this as handicapping the cpu comeback. Which means putting the cpu comeback at a disadvantage when turned on. However, the description says when on, the cpu gets the hitting bonus.

I could see how this could be confusing a bit and maybe the developers just got it mixed up and when the setting is to "ON", it should really mean that we are handicapping the cpu comeback mode.

Make sense?

[davewins]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

Another thing that is interesting. The option is called "CPU COMEBACK HANDICAP". You could read this as handicapping the cpu comeback. Which means putting the cpu comeback at a disadvantage when turned on. However, the description says when on, the cpu gets the hitting bonus.

I could see how this could be confusing a bit and maybe the developers just got it mixed up and when the setting is to "ON", it should really mean that we are handicapping the cpu comeback mode.

Make sense?

Yeah I know what you are saying but I think you might be reading to much into it. Handicap means to give an advantage or disadvantage. Handicapped means to cause to be at a disadvantage. It's confusing use of words but I think if you just read what the description is then you know what the mode was "meant" to do.

[baseball66]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

well i'm not good enough on legend to get any large leads on the cpu so you guys keep us posted on whether or not the cpu makes an inordinate amount of comebacks with the option turned ON. I was just thinking to myself, what if i were to purposely let the cpu get a huge lead on me then i switch sides to see if they mount any huge comebacks, or do you think that might confuse the option by switching sides?

[shadyridr]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

just tested it on Veteran and won 8-2. They barely hit my bullpen

[davewins]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

well i'm not good enough on legend to get any large leads on the cpu so you guys keep us posted on whether or not the cpu makes an inordinate amount of comebacks with the option turned ON. I was just thinking to myself, what if i were to purposely let the cpu get a huge lead on me then i switch sides to see if they mount any huge comebacks, or do you think that might confuse the option by switching sides?

I think if you focus too much on the CPU taking leads you are going to get confused to be honest. What you need to do is just keep playing the game like this and pass your own judgment. Leads are going to be given up whether there is comeback on or off. That's simply part of baseball. It's how they feel that's the difference. If they are getting ridiculous hits or if you never win by more then 4 runs then there you go.

Just play it out and be the judge. I do think it's easier to tell the difference on higher difficulties. I would just play a couple games on Legend like 3 or 4 with it set to off. Then play 3 or 4 more games with it ON on legend. See if you can tell a difference if any. That's all I tried doing.

[sgthalka]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

Another thing that is interesting. The option is called "CPU COMEBACK HANDICAP". You could read this as handicapping the cpu comeback.

This is plausible -- the meaning might have been miscontrued between the programmers and whoever wrote the descriptions.

I've just played my second game with CPU Comeback ON, and destroyed the AI again. I hit seven home runs and nearly 20 hits. CPU made a brief comeback early, but that was because I threw a bunch of bad pitches. They never made a peep the rest of the way.

And again, I previously played about 15 games on Veteran with Comeback OFF, and probably lost 13 of those games. They were extremely tight games decided by 1 or 2 runs. Low hit totals. Very difficult to HRs or string together hits. If I ever had leads, they would easily get blown apart by the CPU destroying non-mistake pitches for HRs or strings of hits.



I don't know how much CPU Comeback affects, but it definitely feels like CPU batters are swinging at stuff low in the zone they would have ignored before. This leads to more grounders. And they chase more out of the zone, which leads to more strikeouts.

As a hitter, I'm seeing better pitches to hit and getting better wood on them when I do swing.

[baa7]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

Or maybe it's just more noticeable the higher you go in level?

I would say yes to that. I played on legend the first few days but found the CPU hitting over-the-top. They simply get too many hardhits balls and perfectly-placed hits on Legend. Since I moved down to HoF, I'm not seeing that at all. The gameplay on HoF seems balanced and fair.

[baseball66]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

I think if you focus too much on the CPU taking leads you are going to get confused to be honest. What you need to do is just keep playing the game like this and pass your own judgment. Leads are going to be given up whether there is comeback on or off. That's simply part of baseball. It's how they feel that's the difference. If they are getting ridiculous hits or if you never win by more then 4 runs then there you go.

Just play it out and be the judge. I do think it's easier to tell the difference on higher difficulties. I would just play a couple games on Legend like 3 or 4 with it set to off. Then play 3 or 4 more games with it ON on legend. See if you can tell a difference if any. That's all I tried doing.

yes that's likely the best option.

[baseball66]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

I would say yes to that. I played on legend the first few days but found the CPU hitting over-the-top. They simply get too many hardhits balls and perfectly-placed hits on Legend. Since I moved down to HoF, I'm not seeing that at all. The gameplay on HoF seems balanced and fair.

Baa, if you are going to post in this thread you MUST play with cpu comeback OFF.