so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

[davewins]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

Hey Dave Its Hop ( carolo ) you are 100 o/o percent correct, making that correct pitch, or the wrong release point, to get out of a jam, thats baseball. I just made a pitch on Helton with 2 men on, with no outs. He bit on a slow curve, down and inside, and I stop a rally. Hop!!

Yeah I mean you are going to have to work to get out of jams regardless if this option is turned ON or OFF. That is baseball plain and simple. All teams lose leads, otherwise the bullpen guys would be the highest paid players in the league!!! LOL. In my most honest opinion, however, after playing 100+ games with it OFF, I can say that it is definetley easier with it set to ON when in fact it should be harder according to the description of the option.

[baseball66]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

Dave could you post what hitting sliders (cpu & human) you are using right now on legend and do you use classic or meter pitching, thanks.

[BleacherCreature]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

davewins please check your PM's.

[Woodweaver]

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Yeah I mean you are going to have to work to get out of jams regardless if this option is turned ON or OFF. That is baseball plain and simple. All teams lose leads, otherwise the bullpen guys would be the highest paid players in the league!!! LOL. In my most honest opinion, however, after playing 100+ games with it OFF, I can say that it is definetley easier with it set to ON when in fact it should be harder according to the description of the option.

Glad you found some settings that are fun for you. I am experiencing the exact opposite effect when toggling the CB setting. It seems that the CPU batters are making better contact more often when behind when I have the setting ON. Go figure. I was wondering about your game sample size... How long does your average game last? At 1 1/2 to 2 hours a game, 100+ games is over 8 days (all 24 hours) of game playing!?!? With the game having only been out for 2 1/2 weeks, I must salute your dedication.

[baseball66]

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Man i can play a game a lot quicker than that but i have fast play On. The cut scenes get old after awhile to me.

[davewins]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

Glad you found some settings that are fun for you. I am experiencing the exact opposite effect when toggling the CB setting. It seems that the CPU batters are making better contact more often when behind when I have the setting ON. Go figure. I was wondering about your game sample size... How long does your average game last? At 1 1/2 to 2 hours a game, 100+ games is over 8 days (all 24 hours) of game playing!?!? With the game having only been out for 2 1/2 weeks, I must salute your dedication.

Yeah I have been playing like CRAZY. I am laid off from work so I have plenty of time. When the game first came out I played honestly about 8 or 9 hours for the first 3 or 4 days. It was crazy. I wouldn't even want to stop to eat. Every game was so exciting because of how it played out for me when it was set to OFF.

I'm sorry that it didn't work for you but hopefully you can enjoy the game with it set to OFF. It really makes me wonder because as positive as I am I believe you are as positive as you are that it's the opposite. We are trustworthy people so I don't know. That's why I thought POSSIBLY there was a disc issue where some had this and some didn't. I respect everybody's honest views on what's happening in the game. I couldn't be more positive that this game plays easier with this setting ON and I'm sure you feel the exact opposite. So like I said I respect that and all I can do is scratch my head.

[pbz06]

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Just played my 3rd game with CPU comeback on and the game felt like one of the first games I played when I first got this game which of course was played with CPU comeback off. I lost 15-4, the CPU had 20+ hits and I had 12+ hits, I haven't gotten blown out by the CPU in awhile. I wasn't able to come back easily as I usually can and the CPU didn't stop hitting as they should considering they should get some negatives to hitting if comeback was indeed ON but their confidence boost probably outweighed any comeback negatives if they were even getting them anyways. So, I'm not totally sure on this as this game played like the first few games I ever played on Legend, the CPU hitting me hard and not letting up at all; this game was just very inconclusive. I think I've come to the conclusion that hitting is definitely too easy on Legend and the timing slider might be the key in lowering hit totals as I put the timing slider back up to 3 for this game because the majority of Legend games with CPU comeback set to off I used 3 for the timing slider, so I wanted to play with the same setting with CPU comeback set to on.

That's what I saw too...I got blown out by the Pirates, Astros, and D'Backs (using their lower tier starters) in 3 of the games I played. They didn't let off and just kept on the gas pedal.

[davewins]

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That's what I saw too...I got blown out by the Pirates, Astros, and D'Backs (using their lower tier starters) in 3 of the games I played. They didn't let off and just kept on the gas pedal.

A lot of this is confident dependent and if you do miss your spots and don't pitch smart you will give up big time hits and the CPU will gain momentum on you.

I will tell you one thing. The catcher calls a great game but sometimes you HAVE to shake him off. He called for a changeup low and in (which I hate throwing anyway) but I did and the CPU fouled it off. Then he calls for another changeup low and in but just a little off the plate. I should have NEVER thrown it. Double in the gap. One thing that is for sure is you can not pitch the same pitch in the same zone twice in a row. The CPU will hammer it almost every time.

[pbz06]

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For those that had comebacks with it ON, keep playing games. That's the key. It's baseball and we should except comebacks, blown saves, big rallies here and there....that's just baseball. So don't give up after a couple games.

[pbz06]

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A lot of this is confident dependent and if you do miss your spots and don't pitch smart you will give up big time hits and the CPU will gain momentum on you.

I will tell you one thing. The catcher calls a great game but sometimes you HAVE to shake him off. He called for a changeup low and in (which I hate throwing anyway) but I did and the CPU fouled it off. Then he calls for another changeup low and in but just a little off the plate. I should have NEVER thrown it. Double in the gap. One thing that is for sure is you can not pitch the same pitch in the same zone twice in a row. The CPU will hammer it almost every time.

Yea that's why I'm going to keep chugging along with it ON to help you test more games.

Although my pitching was horrible, I think the fact that the CPU didn't seem to let off could be proving your theory too....just the fact that the games havn't been close, know what I mean.

[davewins]

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Yea that's why I'm going to keep chugging along with it ON to help you test more games.

Although my pitching was horrible, I think the fact that the CPU didn't seem to let off could be proving your theory too....just the fact that the games havn't been close, know what I mean.

Yeah you are definetley on the right track here. Hey, I just blew a lead with it ON. It's going to happen. If it never happened I would return the game LOL. That's baseball. If every time I had a lead I knew it was gauranteed then where would the fun be??

It was my mistakes. Legend difficulty is still difficult. I'm so glad that I can blow out the CPU by 8 runs and coast and I can also fight so hard to win a game and still lose.

If I can throw a 2 hit shutout with Edwin Jackson #4 starter with this comeback option turned ON then I have a lot of hope that this comeback option could indeed be reversed.

I really am not quite sure honestly if it's reversed or not. I am not convinced just yet. What I am positively convinced on without a doubt is the fact that the CPU bats differently with it turned on. I have seen it enough now to know that it's no 1 game or 2 game fluke. The CPU bats different. They take more pitches that are good pitches (ex nasty 2 seamer Verlander outside corner to righty that starts away and tails back in). I strike out the CPU on good pitches when before they would just keep fouling those good pitches off. They also swing and miss more. If they are looking off speed and I throw them a fastball down the middle they will look at it (not sure about with 2 strikes, never k'd the cpu on a fb right down the middle). They don't jump all over every single mistake that you make on the mound. They will still take advantage of you keeping your pattern though. You still need to mix that up and listen to your catcher. Just not when he calls for the same exact pitch same location back to back. I have struck out the CPU swinging and it just feels so good. This is something that positively did not happen for me when I had it OFF for all those games. I would REALLY struggle to K the CPU. That's probably the biggest difference that I did see right away.

Baseball literally is a game of inches. You have to focus especially on the mound to really make that good pitch. If you can make that good pitch that tails back and catches the corner you will strike out the batter or get him to most likely hit something weakly for an out and build your confidence even higher. If you lose concentration on hitting your release point and are a little late you will throw that fastball more towards the middle of the plate giving the CPU a much better shot to do some damage or at the very least foul it away.

[BigWilly]

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I've now played 10 games with Comeback AI ON. Here's a comparison of those 10 games vs the 10 games previous which were with Comeback AI OFF (default)

Off (default) - 10 games (vs CWS, Pitts, Milwaukee):

Player Average - 6.1 runs/game, 11.7 hits/game
CPU Average - 4.8 runs/game, 12.0 hits/game

On - 10 games (vs Atl, StL, Washington)
Player Average - 3.9 runs/game, 11.3 hits/game
CPU Average - 3.0 runs/game, 8.1 hits/game

The CPUs 10 game average in the runs and hits categories (with Comeback AI ON) are the lowest in any 10 game stretch. I've played 90 games in season mode, and have all the games in Excel. It could be a coincidence, but I doubt it. Furthermore, my 3.9 runs/game average is the lowest I've had since games 21-30 of the season when I was still getting the hang of hitting in this years version. I don't remember if the Comeback AI says it adjusts the bonuses for the CPU and player alike depending on who is winning/losing, but if it does...this would help explain why my runs are also down since switching to Comeback AI ON.

For what it's worth, this is what I'm finding...

[davewins]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

I've now played 10 games with Comeback AI ON. Here's a comparison of those 10 games vs the 10 games previous which were with Comeback AI OFF (default)

Off (default) - 10 games (vs CWS, Pitts, Milwaukee):

Player Average - 6.1 runs/game, 11.7 hits/game
CPU Average - 4.8 runs/game, 12.0 hits/game

On - 10 games (vs Atl, StL, Washington)
Player Average - 3.9 runs/game, 11.3 hits/game
CPU Average - 3.0 runs/game, 8.1 hits/game

The CPUs 10 game average in the runs and hits categories (with Comeback AI ON) are the lowest in any 10 game stretch. I've played 90 games in season mode, and have all the games in Excel. It could be a coincidence, but I doubt it. Furthermore, my 3.9 runs/game average is the lowest I've had since games 21-30 of the season when I was still getting the hang of hitting in this years version. I don't remember if the Comeback AI says it adjusts the bonuses for the CPU and player alike depending on who is winning/losing, but if it does...this would help explain why my runs are also down since switching to Comeback AI ON.

For what it's worth, this is what I'm finding...

Yes, if in fact it's reversed then you would be seeing more runs when it's set to OFF because if you were down in the game YOU would get the hitting bonus. Nobody is sure if the USER gets the hitting bonus or not though.

[Jackdog]

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That's too bad Jackdog. We are all bad gamers that just couldn't win with it set to OFF so we set it to ON to win!

Glad you can admit that. Enjoy!

[Jackdog]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

I think he was referring to the post at the top of the thread where the guy it looks like the guy says ROOKIE and LEGEND might be reversed and "something is going on under the hood".

I was.