so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

[swaldo]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

It does work as it should on allstar. I've tried it many times. Comeback on in the allstar mode kills the game. With set to off it feels much more natural.

What's your take on legend? Have you tested that yet?

[davewins]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

I am not here to disprove anything, just talking the concept behind the feature. The bolding is a little much, I am not a 2 year old. Keep feeling the need to defend like Custer's last stand. To be honest I do not care how you really play the game.

This wasn't completley directed to you Nemesis. Maybe I should of mentioned that.

I was simply saying I bolded not to you, but to some that think I am trying to prove anything. Just saying that this is what I have seen personally. It wasn't directed at you. I was responding to your post which I disagreed with. I know you are not trying to prove/disprove anything. You dont' have to tell me that.

[sooner1]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

What's your take on legend? Have you tested that yet?

My take is that Legend is more fun to play defense due to the computer always putting shots in play compared to allstar but the comebacks are trash. Havent played Legend enough to really tell. When I did play with comeback on I lost.

[swaldo]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

Havent played Legend enough to really tell. When I did play with comeback on I lost.

That's been my problem with legend. Only tried testing once but my pitching got rocked early so I quit. Then I tried fast forwarding through innings hoping my offense would get a good lead but no luck with that either.

Even if I got a lead of 4 or more runs, if my pitching blows chunks then I'm not sure if it's the standard difficulty of the level I'm seeing or comeback handicap kicking in.

[jcern23]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

Whats the issue? It appears to be working by design where it is a sliding scale adding and dropping attributes for both the cpu and human player. It sounds like the human player is getting the better "add" in attributes and the cpu is getting the bigger "drop" resulting in more manageable games for the human player.

The comeback AI option was not designed to bring the cpu cavalry so to speak when turned on. With it ON they receive penalties with it OFF they are not getting those penalties. The title of the function could be a little misleading.

I think I must be the two year old because I do not understand this post. You are saying that we are penalizing the CPU by turning the Comeback on? I don't know I read it several times and don't get. You of all people Nemesis I would think would see this situation as obvious as the majority. Maybe you do I just don't understand what your saying here.

[pbz06]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

For some reason I keep getting blown out ever since I turned it ON. Can't figure out what I'm doing wrong or different.

I'll try back to OFF to see if that trend continues.

Right now it just seems like the CPU is better than ever. They still score early (and often) and just don't let up at all.

[Woodweaver]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

I think I must be the two year old because I do not understand this post. You are saying that we are penalizing the CPU by turning the Comeback on? I don't know I read it several times and don't get. You of all people Nemesis I would think would see this situation as obvious as the majority. Maybe you do I just don't understand what your saying here.

So, here is what the devs have stated earlier:

There is NO come back logic. There are 2 options that default to OFF.

First option is CPU come back handicap. This works by giving a minor boost to the CPU's batting attributes when the CPU is behind. The boost gets slightly bigger when the CPU is behind by more than 4 runs. If the CPU is ahead, there is a slight penalty applied to the CPU's batting attributes.

Second option is Human vs. Human come back handicap. This works almost the same way as the first option but applies boost/penalty to the batting team (i.e. whoever's up at the plate) based on its deficit/lead.

Again, these are minor tweaks to batting attributes in both cases NOT logic or game play cheats.

Some are saying in this thread that they believe these two option settings are flipped. Meaning that OFF turns on the boosts/penalties and ON turns then off. I personally have experienced just the opposite of these claims and believe that they are working as designed on ALL difficulty levels. But, that's me. If someone else finds the games more fun with these options ON, more power to them!

[jcern23]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

So, here is what the devs have stated earlier:

There is NO come back logic. There are 2 options that default to OFF.

First option is CPU come back handicap. This works by giving a minor boost to the CPU's batting attributes when the CPU is behind. The boost gets slightly bigger when the CPU is behind by more than 4 runs. If the CPU ahead, there is a slight penalty applied to the CPU's batting attributes.



Second option is Human vs. Human come back handicap. This works almost the same way as the first option but applies boost/penalty to the batting team (i.e. whoever's up at the plate) based on its deficit/lead.

Again, these are minor tweaks to batting attributes in both cases NOT logic or game play cheats.

Some are saying in this thread that they believe these two option settings are flipped. Meaning that OFF turns on the boosts/penalties and ON turns then off. I personally have experienced just the opposite of these claims and believe that they are working as designed on ALL difficulty levels. But, that's me. If someone else finds the games more fun with these options ON, more power to them!

That is what I thought. I just don't understand how anyone can think that it is not flipped but then again I'm not watching you play so I am not saying that I don't believe you that you see it the way you do. It is just so wierd that some of us who play this game a ton see it as obvious and others who play the game a ton as well don't see it at all. It's all the same copy right? Its just strange I guess.

[BleacherCreature]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

Flipped or not, this game plays much better with the feature turned ON.
But that's just my opinion.

[CBizzle]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

Wow, I kept ignoring this thread not thinking anything was wrong until I finally decided to try it with ON, and man, it has made a WORLD of a difference for me.

I noticed it right away in my first game, and it really had nothing to do with them not having a big inning.

I play on Legend with slight slider tweaks, and the one thing I was never able to do was get a good amount of K's. The most I had gotten was 5 in a game since playing on Legend, (and I only hit the 5 mark once, I've been playing on Legend since a few days after release btw, I would get a fine amount on other levels). So I pop the game in after not playing for 3 days out of frustration, and with it ON, I was striking guys out like no tomorrow. Got 10 with Lincecum, then followed up with 9 from Randy Johnson the next game. No longer would the CPU make contact with ANYTHING with 2 strikes, or aggressively swing and get good rips on great pitches in a good location. And it wasn't like I dominated them either, they still won both games lol, but I didn't care, its just refreshing to see that my problem has been fixed.

If you haven't given this thing a try for a decent amount of games, I'd suggest you do, because who knows what else this effects. In addition to the CPU not having the typical big inning, it solved one of my main problems when I wouldn't have even thought turning it ON would make a difference in that aspect.

[JT30]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

Is there anyway SCEA can test this on their end? Or somehow check to see if the option is reversed? I would think its possible.. I mean with all these people coming in this thread saying they see a difference in gameplay leads me to believe there is something going on with this option

[davewins]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

Wow, I kept ignoring this thread not thinking anything was wrong until I finally decided to try it with ON, and man, it has made a WORLD of a difference for me.

I noticed it right away in my first game, and it really had nothing to do with them not having a big inning.

I play on Legend with slight slider tweaks, and the one thing I was never able to do was get a good amount of K's. The most I had gotten was 5 in a game since playing on Legend, (and I only hit the 5 mark once, I've been playing on Legend since a few days after release btw, I would get a fine amount on other levels). So I pop the game in after not playing for 3 days out of frustration, and with it ON, I was striking guys out like no tomorrow. Got 10 with Lincecum, then followed up with 9 from Randy Johnson the next game. No longer would the CPU make contact with ANYTHING with 2 strikes, or aggressively swing and get good rips on great pitches in a good location. And it wasn't like I dominated them either, they still won both games lol, but I didn't care, its just refreshing to see that my problem has been fixed.

If you haven't given this thing a try for a decent amount of games, I'd suggest you do, because who knows what else this effects. In addition to the CPU not having the typical big inning, it solved one of my main problems when I wouldn't have even thought turning it ON would make a difference in that aspect.

Exact same experience as me. I get so many more K's now. I have struck out the side, struck out good hitters like Holliday and Josh Hamilton twice in one game, and just struck out so many more in general then when I had the option turned OFF. It's really blatantly obvious for me. If others aren't seeing this as well then I don't know, they just aren't seeing it too. All that matters is that we can enjoy the game with it ON as well as others can enjoy it with it OFF. The one thing we all agree on is the game is great!! LOL.

You are just like me though man. Your findings were the exact same as mine. I actually think I lose more now with this ON then when I had it OFF which is fine with me. I would feel like before I always came back with cheap wins. Now I have to fight my way back offensively. Just plays organic and I'm loving every minute of it.

[davewins]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

So, here is what the devs have stated earlier:

There is NO come back logic. There are 2 options that default to OFF.

First option is CPU come back handicap. This works by giving a minor boost to the CPU's batting attributes when the CPU is behind. The boost gets slightly bigger when the CPU is behind by more than 4 runs. If the CPU is ahead, there is a slight penalty applied to the CPU's batting attributes.

Second option is Human vs. Human come back handicap. This works almost the same way as the first option but applies boost/penalty to the batting team (i.e. whoever's up at the plate) based on its deficit/lead.

Again, these are minor tweaks to batting attributes in both cases NOT logic or game play cheats.

Some are saying in this thread that they believe these two option settings are flipped. Meaning that OFF turns on the boosts/penalties and ON turns then off. I personally have experienced just the opposite of these claims and believe that they are working as designed on ALL difficulty levels. But, that's me. If someone else finds the games more fun with these options ON, more power to them!

Great post man. By all means keep this option OFF if you are not enjoying it ON. There's no wrong way to eat a reese peanut butter cup!!

That might of been the corniest thing I ever said in my life.

[Jackdog]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

Great post man. By all means keep this option OFF if you are not enjoying it ON. There's no wrong way to eat a reese peanut butter cup!!

That might of been the corniest thing I ever said in my life.

LOL! It's all good man. It's a great game. Glad everyone is enjoying it.

[NC State-31 UNC-27]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

I kind of had a feeling this was going to happen eventually. So many people were complaining of unstoppable AI at times, big comebacks, etc. Then you had a group of people would defend this game to their death and never let anyone say a negative thing about it.

Good to see people got their voices heard, whether the option is or isn't reversed, at least it was finally discussed with bashing to a lesser degree.

By the way, my opinion...the options are reversed.