so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

[davewins]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

The only thing I don't understand is why people have to come in here and basically act like we are doing this to win more. If they read any of my posts (yes the OP of this thread) they would know that I did not have any problem losing games on Legend. I had a winning record. I wasn't even a believer of this. I simply thought this was how hard Legend was all hyped up to be. Because yes, it was very hyped up. So, I took all these threads before me about this comeback issue with a grain of salt, however I remained open minded which a lot of people have a problem doing here. Anyways, I said what the hell and tried it with it turned on because possibly it got reversed. I did notice that I never won or lost by more then 4 runs in my 100+ games with it OFF. Every game was exciting 1 run games that I have never witnessed before in a sports game. I could not believe how many ridiculously entertaining 1 run games and walk off games that I have won. So I decided to change this to ON. First 2 games I win by 8 (12-4) and then 7 (9-2). The very first game I throw a complete game with Beckett. I have never come close to throwing a complete game before and the most I won by was 4 runs. Now sure you can call coincidence if you want. I am not 100% convinced that the comeback is on or off. It's too much under the hood and determined on user skill and confidence and other issues. However, what I am 100% sure on is the fact that many other people are seeing the same thing as me here as far as the CPU batter's and how they behave at the plate. So call it what you will, have your own opinion, but don't call me a liar based on what I am seeing because that's basically what some are doing. I know what I see and if others don't see it I am not saying that they are lying but they aren't seeing it so what would I do if I was those people?? I wouldn't open this thread up!!!! How hard is that???? Or simply would make open minded statements like some have here about the fact that they aren't seeing it. I have no problem with that.

If you like how the game is playing with it OFF, then keep it OFF. If you like how it's playing with it ON, then keep it ON. What is so hard about that????

[phillyfan23]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

this is a great post if u ask me
really m8, u got my respect right there.

exactly....that's how EVERYONE who doesn't agree with this theory should react.

good lesson to be learned for sure....

props to you OSU

[Zinger]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

I know this may be far fetched but has anyone considered that when sliders get tweaked they can turn the game sort of "off balanced" and tilt it towards one side. I have my sliders at All Star at default and am having great games.

Good point. When you think about it there are about a zillion different ways to set up this game, making it very hard to say what causes what with any certainty. I too play at all star level with virtually default settings (just reliever stamina zeroed) and am having a ball, seeing a wide range of game types. Feels harder than last year, but fair.

[rudyjuly2]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

I haven't tried this theory yet but I might. I really don't know. I have had a lot of fun on All-Star and have played at least 30 games. I think there might be a general comeback logic built in for both sides (not just the cpu) on default but I can't say for sure.

There are times when I do think its a bit scripted. The number of big innings the cpu seems to have where they string a bunch of hits together seems abnormally high. Its certainly different from '07 and '08. Is this scripted? Is it comeback logic switched at default? Is it a perfect simulation of baseball? I'm just not that sure. But I do know that most of my season games against the cpu have been close and I don't think I've ever pounded the cpu with this at default. They have beat me good a few times so I'm not sure what to think.

I notice people saying this is more pronounced on the lower levels. Will I see a big difference on All-Star? I haven't read through this whole thread but I would be interested if there was a poll on OS about it. I'll be curious to see how this plays out over more time.

[steez3]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

only played 5 games so far with the comeback set to ON but this game I just finished a minute ago really led me to believe it may be reversed..I just played with the yanks at Detroit and jumped up on Verlander early with a 6-2 lead after 4 and I was expecting to see that unstoppable inning by the AI but it never happened, they added 1 run in the 6th and 7th on some really nice hitting by cabrera and sheff with some doubles in the gap but it felt legit and wasnt upset at all......the 15+ games ive played with it OFF Ive had way too many AI unstoppable innings after I jumped ahead, Ive seen average hitters take a low and inside Mariano Rivera cutter to opposite field with power and I just dont feel thats possible. It finally felt right TO ME and im happy with it and going to continue to play with it ON.

I know alot of people completely disagree with this thread including a guy I have alot of respect for on here who has been sending me PM's to help me out with my hitting and he absolutely has and im very grateful....Seems to be alot of tension on here over this and dont feel it needs to be, if something works for you and makes the game more enjoyable then why do people feel the need to insult others who are trying new things? Thanks to Dave and Jim for both helping me out to enjoy this game 10x more then I was.

[davewins]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

For what it's worth I just had another great game. I was the Braves vs Rockies on Legend of course. #2 starters (Vazquez vs Jimenez)

ATL 5 8 0
COL 1 8 0

Atl takes lead on 2 run HR by McCann in 4th inning.
Atl extends lead to 4-0 on 2 run HR by Kotchman in 6th inning.
Atl gets insurance run after a 1 out double by Josh Anderson, pitcher pops out, then Kelly Johnson hits a single up the middle scoring Anderson. 5-0 Braves going into bottom of 7th.

Col scores in bottom of 7th after I gave up a 1 out double followed by a walk. Ianetta grounds to LF for single scoring Hawpe. That's the day for Vazquez. Bring in Soriano who gets the last 5 outs in the game consecutively. 3 of which were strikeouts.

5-1 Braves win.

Just sharing another great game. I am enjoying this game a lot.

[phillyfan23]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

only played 5 games so far with the comeback set to ON but this game I just finished a minute ago really led me to believe it may be reversed..I just played with the yanks at Detroit and jumped up on Verlander early with a 6-2 lead after 4 and I was expecting to see that unstoppable inning by the AI but it never happened, they added 1 run in the 6th and 7th on some really nice hitting by cabrera and sheff with some doubles in the gap but it felt legit and wasnt upset at all......the 15+ games ive played with it OFF Ive had way too many AI unstoppable innings after I jumped ahead, Ive seen average hitters take a low and inside Mariano Rivera cutter to opposite field with power and I just dont feel thats possible. It finally felt right TO ME and im happy with it and going to continue to play with it ON.

I know alot of people completely disagree with this thread including a guy I have alot of respect for on here who has been sending me PM's to help me out with my hitting and he absolutely has and im very grateful....Seems to be alot of tension on here over this and dont feel it needs to be, if something works for you and makes the game more enjoyable then why do people feel the need to insult others who are trying new things? Thanks to Dave and Jim for both helping me out to enjoy this game 10x more then I was.

great post steez....

I also feel the same way and it was obvious after my 1st game with it ON.

But the most important part of this post is the tension that's mentioned by steez. Why should there be tension? If you don't agree with the theory, ok that's fine, keep it OFF and we enjoy the games together.

It doesn't take anything away from you that others don't play with the same settings you do, or DOES IT ??

I play with power at 3, some people play with power at 0....I'm not going to try to convince them that their power is too low and it's unrealistic. If they like their setting there, who am I to discredit them ?

people need to relax and breathe and agree to disagree....that's all.

[steez3]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

great post steez....

I also feel the same way and it was obvious after my 1st game with it ON.

But the most important part of this post is the tension that's mentioned by steez. Why should there be tension? If you don't agree with the theory, ok that's fine, keep it OFF and we enjoy the games together.

It doesn't take anything away from you that others don't play with the same settings you do, or DOES IT ??

I play with power at 3, some people play with power at 0....I'm not going to try to convince them that their power is too low and it's unrealistic. If they like their setting there, who am I to discredit them ?

people need to relax and breathe and agree to disagree....that's all.

Totally agree....I understand some people are not gonna agree with this finding but the people that come in and say that the people who have it ON are horrible gamers and need this to win and insinuate that we are somehow inferior because we choose to play with it ON is just not needed and totally disrespectful.

[steez3]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

cant believe I just agreed with a FLYERS fan....GO PENS, you guys got lucky yesterday with the 3-1 save....crosby got robbed by Biron hahaha

[BleacherCreature]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

Ive seen average hitters take a low and inside Mariano Rivera cutter to opposite field with power and I just dont feel thats possible.

Exactly the kind of thing I was getting tired of seeing. And it seemed like no matter how perfect that pitch was it would still get hit. Made me want to smash my controller several times. With Comeback AI turned ON I haven't seen these things. The game just seems to have a better flow to it, at least to me it does.
I consider myself an average player at best so if I can have a setting to keep things a little more even and allow me to enjoy this even more then so be it. Do I want to win every single game? Of course not, but I would like to win the games that I am doing everything better than the CPU (which doesn't happen often)

[phillyfan23]

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cant believe I just agreed with a FLYERS fan....GO PENS, you guys got lucky yesterday with the 3-1 save....crosby got robbed by Biron hahaha

man.....i thought u were just a steelers fan...that team i can respect...the PENS?

i take back everything i said above. your post SUCKED!!

[Rebel10]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

What I'm mostly seeing in this thread are people who are unhappy that they are not winning enough. And/or feeling that the AI is making "unfair" comeback or hits.

Well, I wasn't exactly unhappy that I wasn't winning enough, but I definitely noticed a significant change in play when I tried switching to "ON" rather than "OFF," and if anything, the description of what that setting does is incorrect, at least on Veteran difficulty with default sliders.

I have a hard time believing that I'd suddenly become a pitching prodigy after having 10 or so games where I gave up 10 runs by the fourth inning. I'll have to test it further, but the visible difference in that game versus other's was stark and obvious.

ANd the way that it is described is that if the score is 0 to 0, or a close/tie game, then the comeback logic will not take effect... Yet pitching was significant different in that game for the entire game, despite it being a 0 to 0 score. I could, however, chalk it up to having one random, genius game. We'll see.

[steez3]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

Exactly the kind of thing I was getting tired of seeing. And it seemed like no matter how perfect that pitch was it would still get hit. Made me want to smash my controller several times. With Comeback AI turned ON I haven't seen these things. The game just seems to have a better flow to it, at least to me it does.
I consider myself an average player at best so if I can have a setting to keep things a little more even and allow me to enjoy this even more then so be it. Do I want to win every single game? Of course not, but I would like to win the games that I am doing everything better than the CPU (which doesn't happen often)

Hell yes man...I knew something was going on when Jamey Carrol from the Indians hit a Rivera inside cutter to opposite field off the wall to bring in 3 runs with 2 outs in the 9th to take the lead with 2 outs on the opening day of new yankee stadium....I had to do everything in my power to not throw my controller across the room....I just felt cheated and with it on so far I havent had that feeling and Im not winning, ive only played 5 games and I am 2-3 in those 5!

[steez3]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

man.....i thought u were just a steelers fan...that team i can respect...the PENS?

i take back everything i said above. your post SUCKED!!

hahaha...we'll see you in the playoffs buddy!

[phillyfan23]

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hahaha...we'll see you in the playoffs buddy!

that would be the best series in the playoffs period.

I hope that is saved for the ECF like last year....
good thing about this rivalry is it will last at least 5-6 years if not more....the ppl who hate each other are the young guns