so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

[baa7]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

I am a completley sane individual who is not looking to waste his time lying on the internet.

You are obviously a big fat troublemaker!

[davewins]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

Hey OP, you rock for trying this out. I just had a great game and the first time I held them to under 8 hits, 5 in fact, but it was my saved game from yesterday and I had only given up 3, but only gave up two hits the last 3 innings.
But one half doesn't mean caca. I can't wait to play some more, but I'm so happy only giving up 5 total hits. One was a homer, but I didn't feel as stressed.

Or maybe it was just a placebo effect? Who knows, who cares, but I like it.

I am so confident that I will tell you it wasn't a placebo effect. What you saw was indeed exactly what I saw. It's much easier to pitch! I consider myself an above average gamer. I play on Legend and I can get the CPU out. However, I would never strike out the CPU. Most I got was 4 TOTAL in one game. I got 8 the other day. I struke out Holliday twice in one game with Lester and almost a 3rd time. Totally different from what I have seen before. I am not talking about minor difference. I am talking night and day. The CPU's attributes or whatever happens is different. I can't say exactly what happens but something is different.

The CPU chases more pitches out of the zone, the look at more in the zone, they hit mistakes but not all mistakes, they foul off pitches but not as many as before, everything is different with the CPU's batting abilities. As far as comeback goes. The only thing I know about that is the title for the option that we choose to turn ON to make this happen. I can't definitively say anything about that. What I can say is I am positively 100% sure that the CPU is WEAKER at the plate with it turned ON then when it's turned OFF. There is no question about that. The odd thing is you would think it would make them BETTER when you turn it ON. That was the whole point of trying this.

Glad you are enjoying the game.

[davewins]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

You are obviously a big fat troublemaker!

Credit goes to you baa7 man. You are the one that brought me on to this idea in the first place. I never would of even thought of trying this if it wasn't for you. Well MAYBE in the future I would of given it a shot but it would of took a lot longer. I want to rightfully give you the credit baa7 honestly man. You really are the one that got me on to this idea of it possibly being reversed.

[baa7]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

Credit goes to you baa7 man.

Hey, thanks Dave. But sliders/options have been reversed in other games, so it was a just matter of time before someone mentioned something.

[davewins]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

This is JMO, but I would think that with this option turned on, you wouldn't necessarily see a larger number of comeback wins - those are going to happen regardless. I think it's more likely you'd see more lead changes - due to the handicap kicking in multiple times in a game, and more see-saw-type games.

Since nobody's posted it yet, here's the COMPLETE description, straight from the options screen (amazing that nobody's posted it in 20 pages ):

"When ON, this will give the CPU a small hitting bonus when it's losing and a small hitting penalty when it's winning. The adjustment is bigger when there's a wide lead of 4 or more runs, and disabled when runners on base threaten the lead"

Nothing in there about the user. There is a SEPARATE option for two player games that works in a similar way, but it's unrelated to the CPU's game.

I did post this back in the first couple pages. Post #65

Excellent point man. Never thought of that. I am completley open to that being a possibility. Only thing is it says nothing in the option about the user getting any kind of penalty or bonus. It just says the following:

"When ON, this will give the CPU a small hitting bonus when it's losing and a small hitting penalty when it's winning. The adjustment is bigger when there's a wide lead of 4 or more runs, and disabled when runners on base threaten the lead."

[davewins]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

I played about 15-20 RTTS games in the past couple of hours with CPU COMEBACK ON. I seriously think this thing is backwards. Before, 90% of the time when I would fail a "drive the run in" goal when I was ahead or tied, the CPU team would have a huge inning right afterwards, taking 4+ run lead every time. With cpu comeback ON, this has yet to happen. Yeah they come back or tie when I'm up by a run or 2 sometimes, but never did they score 4+ runs after I failed the goal. To me it doesn't look like cpu comeback ON is actually off and vice versa. To me it seems that once the cpu is down by more than 3 runs, hey have no chance of coming back and start hitting worse than when the game was close. This has been the case in the 4-5 blow outs I had in he last few games. Once I get up by 3 or more runs, I would keep piling it on while they struggled to ge on base...

You might be on to something as well. That might be BAD news however. I noticed this in my 2 blowout games. Boston vs Baltimore was just EASY win and on Legend. Marlins at Reds pretty much the same thing but I will have to play more games to see. Very strange stuff.

[brunnoce]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

You might be on to something as well. That might be BAD news however. I noticed this in my 2 blowout games. Boston vs Baltimore was just EASY win and on Legend. Marlins at Reds pretty much the same thing but I will have to play more games to see. Very strange stuff.

i dont think it will be all that easy and evan make the AI not be able to comeback...
i just lost to the Angels in game 2 of my season...
i was up 2-0 till the 7th inn where they got 3 runs out of Eveland... than in the 8th they added 2 more...game ended 5-2 to the angels...

so its not like im gonna win 162 games per season...neither im gonna make 5 candidaes for the cy young award.

but what i feel now is that the AI sliders do play a role, whereas before i could have them all zeroed and the AI would still hit 6 Hrs in a game(the yankees did on me, evan garder went over the wall).

[capa]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

Sure hope SCEA guys talk to the devs and come in and commment definitively on this.

C

[davewins]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

i dont think it will be all that easy and evan make the AI not be able to comeback...
i just lost to the Angels in game 2 of my season...
i was up 2-0 till the 7th inn where they got 3 runs out of Eveland... than in the 8th they added 2 more...game ended 5-2 to the angels...

so its not like im gonna win 162 games per season...neither im gonna make 5 candidaes for the cy young award.

but what i feel now is that the AI sliders do play a role, whereas before i could have them all zeroed and the AI would still hit 6 Hrs in a game(the yankees did on me, evan garder went over the wall).

Yeah I really have no idea what happens when we turn it on. All I do know is that when we turn it ON instead of the CPU getting better they get worst which doesn't fit the description that it says about the CPU getting a small hitting bonus when they are down and bigger when they are down by 4+ runs. So something is definetley wrong there.

What happens under the hood, I have no idea. Maybe it does "turn on" the AI sliders as well because they definetley are swinging at more junk I throw them and looking at good fastballs that hit the corner. After pitching against the CPU for 100+ games and seeing how they hit it doesn't take long to realize that this is completley different and I am pitching EXACTLY the same. I get more K's looking and swinging along with more weakly hit balls (popups, grounders, choppers). The CPU now hits like me!!! LOL

Like I said I have no idea what's up with this. The most logical answer and easy answer would be that it's simply reversed. I am not going to say I am 100% on that but like I said I am 100% sure that this game plays different with it ON and for the better not the worst.

[brunnoce]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

Sure hope SCEA guys talk to the devs and come in and commment definitively on this.

C

i would NOT hold my breath on this man...
i cant imagine this beeing evan commented by them

[slickdtc]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

Interesting. The only thing I can think of is maybe this option equalizes all players? Maybe it's kind of like that "variable stuff" option from MVP 2005? I don't know. It's a mystery and I think it'll continue to be a mystery.

[brunnoce]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

Interesting. The only thing I can think of is maybe this option equalizes all players? Maybe it's kind of like that "variable stuff" option from MVP 2005? I don't know. It's a mystery and I think it'll continue to be a mystery.

if u mean like that the option takes away the ratings influencies in the game, i can garantee it doesnt...
i can still tell right off the bat that m.holliday is a better hitter than k.suzuki for instance.
same way i could with the option off

[magoo1967]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

I just wanted to report that I tried this (cpu comeback on) for 3 games last night. I know that's not enough to say anything definitively, but I will say that the whole time I truthfully felt like my game wasn't broken anymore. No absurdities just good baseball, everything felt right. It wasn't placebo at all, the game just played better, the difference was pretty obvious IMO. I played all 3 games on All-Star with default sliders (I had previously dropped to Veteran to try and quell some of the madness). The first game I jumped out to an early lead and held on to it. I was even able to tack on a few more throughout the game (Final 8-3-me). 2nd game I lost, but nothing felt like I was entering bazaar-o land like so many games these past few weeks (Final 4-2-cpu). 3rd game I went down by a couple early but I was able to put together a couple of nice rallies (something else I had been struggling with) to pull ahead and stay there (5-2-me). My wife actually came in the room at one point and she was shocked I was still playing baseball. She couldn't believe that I had been playing for hours and she hadn't heard any of the usual swearing . If this "fix" holds true it has completely saved this game for me and I couldn't be more grateful. More testing to follow.

[davewins]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

I just wanted to report that I tried this (cpu comeback on) for 3 games last night. I know that's not enough to say anything definitively, but I will say that the whole time I truthfully felt like my game wasn't broken anymore. No absurdities just good baseball, everything felt right. It wasn't placebo at all, the game just played better, the difference was pretty obvious IMO. I played all 3 games on All-Star with default sliders (I had previously dropped to Veteran to try and quell some of the madness). The first game I jumped out to an early lead and held on to it. I was even able to tack on a few more throughout the game (Final 8-3-me). 2nd game I lost, but nothing felt like I was entering bazaar-o land like so many games these past few weeks (Final 4-2-cpu). 3rd game I went down by a couple early but I was able to put together a couple of nice rallies (something else I had been struggling with) to pull ahead and stay there (5-2-me). My wife actually came in the room at one point and she was shocked I was still playing baseball. She couldn't believe that I had been playing for hours and she hadn't heard any of the usual swearing . If this "fix" holds true it has completely saved this game for me and I couldn't be more grateful. More testing to follow.

Glad to see. The game just feels different right away. It really is amazing. This is why I said I was 100% convinced after 2 games. Because I played the **** out of this game for 17 days straight and then everything else all of a sudden felt dramatically different in the first 2 games with this option ON.

I am not 100% convinced that the comeback is reversed or not but I am 100% convinced in the fact that the CPU definetley plays different (more realistic) with this setting set to ON. While it's OFF they play much better then while it's ON. That much is definite is far as I'm concerned.

[countryboy]

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

Sure hope SCEA guys talk to the devs and come in and commment definitively on this.

C

they have in the other threads. They say that there is no comeback logic in the game when the option is set to "off".