so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

**Speedy** · 03-20-2009, 12:00 PM

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

Originally posted by davewins

Of course it's not gauranteed. I have played countless amount of games and could never win by 5 runs nevermind 8 followed by 7 my first two games.

Yes it will give the CPU a small hitting bonus when it's winning. It says that the adjustment is bigger when there's a wide lead of 4 or more runs though as well.

Ah, you've seen the other threads that were closed - people are so adamant that you're fighting a worthless battle about all this. I would just wait, tabulate the results from about 15-20 games then post them as proof of your findings.

**davewins** · 03-20-2009, 12:01 PM

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

Originally posted by countryboy

Post the same types of results you were when you were posting about the potential of comeback ai.

I wasn't posting any results on the potential of comeback ai. I just thought it was possibly reversed so it was on instead of off because of hit after hit after hit after hit after hit even though I was pitching good. Yes I do know how to pitch, yes I mix everything up.

So unfortunatley there really are no "stats" that I can compare. It's a matter of feel. Nobody is right here. If you don't believe it that's fine. I just don't understand why people that don't see it have to try to debunk it. I am just trying to help all the people that do see it and there are plenty here to speak of. If it can help them then I served my deed for the day. If it can't then oh well it was a shot. If you guys are enjoying the game the way it is then fine just play it. I seriously don't understand the need to try to debunk this. I know it's just your opinion which you are entitled to and that's 100% fine but why try to argue this??

This isn't directed at you personally CB I am just speaking in general. I respect everyone here and everyone's opinion. I just don't understand why people just can't leave a post alone if they don't believe in something or don't have a problem with that part of the game. If I see someone in a slider thread talking about not getting enough doubles and I am getting plenty and I am happy with it I am not going to tell that person that I don't buy it and it's just them.

**Garrett67** · 03-20-2009, 12:01 PM

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

Originally posted by davewins

Did you read my post?? LOL, I mentioned that I won by more then 4 for the first time in back to back games on legend with comeback set to ON. So does that make any sense?? Why would in over 100 games I never win by more then 4 and then once I turn comeback on I win by 8 (12-4) and then 7 (9-2)????

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It has been my understanding that CPU comeback is for both the CPU and the User. So if you are ahead, the CPU will comeback and vice versa.

Maybe I misunderstood that but I could have sworn I read that in one of the SCEA guys posts. I realize it is called 'CPU Comeback' though..

So, if that is the case then I would think it would make the game a little easier. Hence you winning by a larger margin.

However, this wouldn't be the first time I have been wrong. Perhaps I should try playing with it on before I say anything

**brunnoce** · 03-20-2009, 12:05 PM

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

Originally posted by bfindeisen

Dude, thats not how it works...Comeback Code just gives a boost to the losing team when they're down...it doesn't ensure that they will comeback EVERY times, just gives them a better chance to catch up thats all...2 games is no where near enough

so, have u blown the AI out on legend?
cause so far ive heard about only 1 person: Contryboy...
and now dave sets this option on and blows them 2 games in a row?
dont u think its too much of a coencidency that in over 100 played games with it OFF he could never biuld a 5 run lead and hold to it, and in the first 2 games with it ON he could do that and increase the lead???

**davewins** · 03-20-2009, 12:06 PM

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

Originally posted by Garrett67

It has been my understanding that CPU comeback is for both the CPU and the User. So if you are ahead, the CPU will comeback and vice versa.

Maybe I misunderstood that but I could have sworn I read that in one of the SCEA guys posts. I realize it is called 'CPU Comeback' though..

So, if that is the case then I would think it would make the game a little easier. Hence you winning by a larger margin.

However, this wouldn't be the first time I have been wrong. Perhaps I should try playing with it on before I say anything

Excellent point man. Never thought of that. I am completley open to that being a possibility. Only thing is it says nothing in the option about the user getting any kind of penalty or bonus. It just says the following:

"When ON, this will give the CPU a small hitting bonus when it's losing and a small hitting penalty when it's winning. The adjustment is bigger when there's a wide lead of 4 or more runs, and disabled when runners on base threaten the lead."

It has been my understanding that CPU comeback is for both the CPU and the User. So if you are ahead, the CPU will comeback and vice versa.

Well if I had the lead in these games then why didn't the CPU come back on me?? I had the lead the entire game and never lost it. They didn't get any better either. I just kept getting them out.

**countryboy** · 03-20-2009, 12:08 PM

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

Originally posted by davewins

I wasn't posting any results on the potential of comeback ai. I just thought it was possibly reversed so it was on instead of off because of hit after hit after hit after hit after hit even though I was pitching good. Yes I do know how to pitch, yes I mix everything up.

So unfortunatley there really are no "stats" that I can compare. It's a matter of feel. Nobody is right here. If you don't believe it that's fine. I just don't understand why people that don't see it have to try to debunk it. I am just trying to help all the people that do see it and there are plenty here to speak of. If it can help them then I served my deed for the day. If it can't then oh well it was a shot. If you guys are enjoying the game the way it is then fine just play it. I seriously don't understand the need to try to debunk this. I know it's just your opinion which you are entitled to and that's 100% fine but why try to argue this??

This isn't directed at you personally CB I am just speaking in general. I respect everyone here and everyone's opinion. I just don't understand why people just can't leave a post alone if they don't believe in something or don't have a problem with that part of the game. If I see someone in a slider thread talking about not getting enough doubles and I am getting plenty and I am happy with it I am not going to tell that person that I don't buy it and it's just them.

First and foremost, I'm not arguing anything. All I did was post my opinion. I didn't say you were wrong or anything, just posted my opinion and that until there are more results posted, I was going to chalk this up to coincidence/placebo effect. How you got the idea that I'm arguing this is beyond me.

Second, I thought you were posting results of how the cpu came back against you in other threads and was describing how it unfolded. Thats what I meant.

And finally, I have a question. While the setting was off(default) did the cpu ever blow you out?

**bfindeisen** · 03-20-2009, 12:12 PM

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

Originally posted by davewins

I wasn't posting any results on the potential of comeback ai. I just thought it was possibly reversed so it was on instead of off because of hit after hit after hit after hit after hit even though I was pitching good. Yes I do know how to pitch, yes I mix everything up.

So unfortunatley there really are no "stats" that I can compare. It's a matter of feel. Nobody is right here. If you don't believe it that's fine. I just don't understand why people that don't see it have to try to debunk it. I am just trying to help all the people that do see it and there are plenty here to speak of. If it can help them then I served my deed for the day. If it can't then oh well it was a shot. If you guys are enjoying the game the way it is then fine just play it. I seriously don't understand the need to try to debunk this. I know it's just your opinion which you are entitled to and that's 100% fine but why try to argue this??

This isn't directed at you personally CB I am just speaking in general. I respect everyone here and everyone's opinion. I just don't understand why people just can't leave a post alone if they don't believe in something or don't have a problem with that part of the game. If I see someone in a slider thread talking about not getting enough doubles and I am getting plenty and I am happy with it I am not going to tell that person that I don't buy it and it's just them.

I think the issue with the whole "debunking" thing is that a lot of people don't have the as much time with the game to create a big enough sample size to tell for themselves if the issues they are seeing in the game are aberrations (randomized) or truly problems...and so they rely on people on these boards who DO have the time to play all these games... and when you keep saying you have played all these games and that you are 100% convinced in this "reversed slider" thing (only after 2 games) you make people think there could be an issue with the game that they may not see until they are halfway through their franchise...

**brunnoce** · 03-20-2009, 12:12 PM

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

Originally posted by countryboy

First and foremost, I'm not arguing anything. All I did was post my opinion. I didn't say you were wrong or anything, just posted my opinion and that until there are more results posted, I was going to chalk this up to coincidence/placebo effect. How you got the idea that I'm arguing this is beyond me.

Second, I thought you were posting results of how the cpu came back against you in other threads and was describing how it unfolded. Thats what I meant.

And finally, I have a question. While the setting was off(default) did the cpu ever blow you out?

actually, me , dave, philliefan and other users were mostly talking about this via PMs so we wouldnt get unfairly hammered by people that are not seeing it.

also i can answer that question u made for dave too..
ive had so many comebacks on the AI when losing by 10-0 or 8-0 its not evan funny, in the begging felt great , now it feels kind of fake...i would just like to mention in a game i was losing 7-0 with the Giants i hit a 3run HR shot with m.caine(i know its possible irl) but still most of those blow outs i would comeback to tie the game out of nothing...when i was already unconfident and thought i wouldnt get any runs in the game...didnt feel very natural if u ask me.

my worst loss so far was 12-7 thats 5 runs, but still i was losing big like 9-0 and came back to a 9-7 game only to give up 3 more runs in the top of the 9th.

**bfindeisen** · 03-20-2009, 12:16 PM

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

Originally posted by brunnoce

so, have u blown the AI out on legend?
cause so far ive heard about only 1 person: Contryboy...
and now dave sets this option on and blows them 2 games in a row?
dont u think its too much of a coencidency that in over 100 played games with it OFF he could never biuld a 5 run lead and hold to it, and in the first 2 games with it ON he could do that and increase the lead???

Haha, thats the whole point of having Legend difficulty, isn't it?? So that it is extremely hard to blow them out...and no I don't think its "too much of a coincidence" to play 100 close games before 2 consecutive blow outs...there could be so many things to explain this...the user has gotten better over those 100 games and now hits better, for example could be a reason...or just that this guy seems dead set on finding a reason for this "comeback option reversal" that he is having a self-fulfilling prophecy and focused so much on blowing them out in those 2 games just to prove in his own mind his point.

**phillyfan23** · 03-20-2009, 12:24 PM

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

this is great news from Dave , becuase I too have had the same issues.

Legend level isn't too hard for me (8-5 with the phils in my season) but I have seen too many funny things for me and the cpu to make games close. I will test this until there is no tomorrow tonight and report back to you guys what I see.

I truly believe the 5 run lead is the point where we see crazy things. You might see a little bit with a 2-3 run lead, but when it's a 5 run lead that's where things FEEL unnatural.

I actually did a test on Legend .....

I played a game against the pirates i go up 2-0 top of 4th and save. Now I played the game from that point on and 95 percent of the time I stretched the lead as I should because the phils are better and I actually LOWERED cpu sliders in this test game.

But as soon as I got a 4-5 run lead, the next inning or the inning after that the game no longer felt natural . Hamels was cruising thru the game and suddenly he turns into adam eaton?

Most of these games i ended up winning, but the feel of the game was taken away.

When I only stretched the lead to 3-0 nothing jumped out but when it was big , you could definitely see it and it became CLOCKWORK.

i must have played close to 25 games using that test continuing from the 4th inning. I won by more than 5 runs ONCE....

ONCE!

and that was when i stretched the lead 7-0 top of 9th and i escaped a bases loaded jam bot 9 to win 7-1.

Out of 25 times I was only to stretch the lead over 5 runs once.....

that just doesn't sound and feel right.

Again, No one is sure about dave's findings but it certainly is encouraging. I will test this tonight and report to all of you guys.

Peace...

and thanks dave for trying to help us out. Highly appreciate it.

if this fixes my issues, you are my hero heauaehaehea

**stormshadow1** · 03-20-2009, 12:26 PM

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

Originally posted by bfindeisen

Haha, thats the whole point of having Legend difficulty, isn't it?? So that it is extremely hard to blow them out...and no I don't think its "too much of a coincidence" to play 100 close games before 2 consecutive blow outs...there could be so many things to explain this...the user has gotten better over those 100 games and now hits better, for example could be a reason...or just that this guy seems dead set on finding a reason for this "comeback option reversal" that he is having a self-fulfilling prophecy and focused so much on blowing them out in those 2 games just to prove in his own mind his point.

Ok, when on playing on Legend or HOF, are your players also legend status or HOF along with the CPU?

If I play Red Sox(me) vs. Red Sox (CPU)are both teams Legend status at the plate and in the field or just the CPU?

In other words do my players in the field get upgraded along with the CPU.

Am I harder for the CPU to beat because of the Legend or HOF or is it just harder for me to beat the CPU?

I can think of some games where you could set the difficulty level for both the CPU and the player 1....

**brunnoce** · 03-20-2009, 12:26 PM

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

Originally posted by bfindeisen

Haha, thats the whole point of having Legend difficulty, isn't it?? So that it is extremely hard to blow them out...and no I don't think its "too much of a coincidence" to play 100 close games before 2 consecutive blow outs...there could be so many things to explain this...the user has gotten better over those 100 games and now hits better, for example could be a reason...or just that this guy seems dead set on finding a reason for this "comeback option reversal" that he is having a self-fulfilling prophecy and focused so much on blowing them out in those 2 games just to prove in his own mind his point.

cmon man u seriously belive that?
ask him the scores of his last 10 games...cause the way u said it sounded like he just improved his abilities in these 2 last games like he was in roids....
if u think the reason he beat the AI was just becasue he got better after the 100 games he played this should be sometthing like a slow proccess with him getting better over the course winning his last 8 out of 10 games for instance or evan coming close to blow the AI in some of his lastest games, yet thats not what he told us...he cleary said that the game felt diferent..not only the score...

about what u said about legend..i disagree, i dont think it should be a rule "a level u cant beat or its almost impossible" it has to be just a harder level than Hof thats all...we dont need a god mode or anything like that...
imo legend was created for people that were having problems with Hof last year, thinking it was too easy, like me... but with that said , we dont want a level that we cant have NATURAL scores...thats it..natural.. i dont mind getting blown away by the AI 4 games in a row..but i need to know that its possible for me to blow them away 4 games in a row too, just like in real life, now if i cant do that in over 100 games and they cant do that to me neither, in my mind the "rubber band code" screams high and loud.

**Ruffy** · 03-20-2009, 12:34 PM

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

**brunnoce** · 03-20-2009, 12:37 PM

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

Originally posted by Ruffy

thats really not the case man...take a moment to read the thread before bashing it.

also, why waste time posting this if u have nothing to contribute or to say in the thread m8?

**bfindeisen** · 03-20-2009, 12:42 PM

Re: so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

Originally posted by brunnoce

cmon man u seriously belive that?
ask him the scores of his last 10 games...cause the way u said it sounded like he just improved his abilities in these 2 last games like he was in roids....
if u think the reason he beat the AI was just becasue he got better after the 100 games he played this should be sometthing like a slow proccess with him getting better over the course winning his last 8 out of 10 games for instance or evan coming close to blow the AI in some of his lastest games, yet thats not what he told us...he cleary said that the game felt diferent..not only the score...

about what u said about legend..i disagree, i dont think it should be a rule "a level u cant beat or its almost impossible" it has to be just a harder level than Hof thats all...we dont need a god mode or anything like that...
imo legend was created for people that were having problems with Hof last year, thinking it was too easy, like me... but with that said , we dont want a level that we cant have NATURAL scores...thats it..natural.. i dont mind getting blown away by the AI 4 games in a row..but i need to know that its possible for me to blow them away 4 games in a row too, just like in real life, now if i cant do that in over 100 games and they cant do that to me neither, in my mind the "rubber band code" screams high and loud.

Ahhh, no thats not what I'm saying...I guess I should be more clear...my point is that there are soooo many variables involved (like variables within variables) that in no way can a 2 game sample be enough...there are so many things that are NOT consistent from game to game (the pitchers...are the hot or cold? the hitters, hot or cold?, the actual user's gameplay isn't always consistent, sometimes you're on, sometimes you're not). Let's just continue with your "testing" until we get a bigger sample size...until then, don't start making threads decrying that you have figured it out, that you are 100% certain there is a "reversed comeback option" bug or whatever...

so I played my first game with CPU comeback set to ON

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