Someone Please Save This Game For Me

[swaldo]

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Through however many games I've played(over 80) I've never..never..never..had a pitch not go where intended when I have a confident pitcher, command of my pitch, and hit the release point perfectly. Never.

Are you looking at replay's after the CPU gets base hits? I do and am very surprised at times where the ball ends up. Yesterday I saw a fastball skip up at the last second to meet with the bat which was swung too high. In full speed it was actually kind of cool, like a check swing gone bad but he ended up getting a piece of the ball which resulted in a weak single.

It's kind of a moot discussion anyway. When you are leading a game you really can't aim "far" outside the zone anyway. It's just a waste pitch because the CPU doesn't chase that often when it's losing. I'm not saying they never chase but it seems less common to me.

There is one situation I'll certainly aim far outside the zone. Last week Ichiro was killing me and in the 3rd game of the series he was 2-2 with a single & double. I just got plain tired of him and even knowing it won't do any good I decide to brush him back off the plate. I end up hitting him in the back and he left the game injured. Pitching inside can be effective.

[countryboy]

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Are you looking at replay's after the CPU gets base hits? I do and am very surprised at times where the ball ends up. Yesterday I saw a fastball skip up at the last second to meet with the bat which was swung too high. In full speed it was actually kind of cool, like a check swing gone bad but he ended up getting a piece of the ball which resulted in a weak single.

No, I don't view replays after every base hit by the cpu. I always do when I fool them and get the k...

[DrUrsus]

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Did you even read the entire post? Where did I say that Chone hit a home run on a low outside fastball? The ball went magically over the plate while I was pitching low and outside. If any of you ever pitched in real life or know anything about baseball, you would understand what some of us are saying about the comeback code. Again I must stress. ANY MLB PITCHER CAN PITCH LOW AND OUTSIDE, OR HIGH AND OUTSIDE WHENEVER THEY WANT. BALLS DON'T MAGICALLY GO RIGHT OVER THE PLATE WHEN TRYING TO PITCH AROUND A HITTER. ALSO, THERES AN OPTION TO TURN OFF COMPUTER COMEBACKS. ITS IN THE GAME PEOPLE...

ARE WE CLEAR

Crystal.

I leave for a little while, and all hell breaks out, lol.

Yes, I pitched small college ball, and even I could throw low and away, and high and away (meaning waaay outside of the zone) and not have the ball go over the plate, but it could happen occasionally. I have done a "Wild Thing" in the past when trying to do that, so I suppose it could happen over the plate as well, but less likely due to the mechanics involved when you pitch in real life especially righty vs lefty.

Having said that, I have never seen the ball go over the plate in this game if I aimed that far out of the zone, so as GSW (does that stand for gun shot wound? It does in medicine) says I call shenanigans there on that one unless you have your sliders for pitch control changed. Do you have them changed? I play on All Star, and have yet to do this myself. I'm not saying it didn't happen, but maybe its just a once in a blue moon thing.

[DrUrsus]

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Are you looking at replay's after the CPU gets base hits? I do and am very surprised at times where the ball ends up. Yesterday I saw a fastball skip up at the last second to meet with the bat which was swung too high. In full speed it was actually kind of cool, like a check swing gone bad but he ended up getting a piece of the ball which resulted in a weak single.

It's kind of a moot discussion anyway. When you are leading a game you really can't aim "far" outside the zone anyway. It's just a waste pitch because the CPU doesn't chase that often when it's losing. I'm not saying they never chase but it seems less common to me.

There is one situation I'll certainly aim far outside the zone. Last week Ichiro was killing me and in the 3rd game of the series he was 2-2 with a single & double. I just got plain tired of him and even knowing it won't do any good I decide to brush him back off the plate. I end up hitting him in the back and he left the game injured. Pitching inside can be effective.

You can get them to chase if its close, but not if it is too far out in my experience. But, you may miss your spot...

[SoxFan01605]

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Had a great game earlier today. Red Sox (me) vs Braves (AI) in Atlanta. Lester vs Lowe. Won 9-2. It was great because it felt like a dominant Red Sox game should.

I set the tone early with a leadoff walk from Ellsbury. I stole second and Pedroia hit a double down the line to drive him in. 1-0. Then Ortiz and Youkilis bot Walk. Drew flys out. 2-0. Then Bay got a Walk. CPU wild pitch allows another run. 3-0. then Varitek grounds out. 4-0. Then Lowrie pops out to end the inning. 4 runs off of 1 hit in the inning mainly to the 4 walks (a personal best).

Lester on the Hill for me was quietly dominant for me...if that makes sense. It was one of those games where you don't realize it untill it's late in the game, the score is low, and the pitch count is down. It felt like I struggled at times, yet I got out of the few jams I was actually in. Anyway, 1, 2, 3 in the first.

Top of the second and Lowe had the benefit of facing Lester to start the inning. He K'd me. Then got Elsbury to ground out. He seemed settled down...till my little MVP gets up.

Pedroia smoked a ball deep into the hole between 3rd and short. Escobar made a great diving stop but short hopped the throw and Pedroia was safe by plenty. Up comes Papi. He draws Walk #2. You comes up and blooped a 2 out single to right, driving Pedroia in. 5-0. Drew gets HBP. Bases loaded for Bay and he comes through with a base hit. 6-0. Varitek hits a soft liner to end the inning.

Second inning, aside from a weak base hit to lead off the inning, it goes very smooth. Lester's curve is working well. I'm keeping guys off-balance and getting weak pop-ups and dribblers mostly. after the hit, it's 1, 2, 3.

Things settled down for me a bit after that, but obviously I tacked on a few more. Pedroia drove one in in the 5th. I got an RBI Double from The Captain (SMOKED over the head of Francour) in the 7th. and a solo shot from Drew in the 9th.

for the Braves, their only runs came off of a 2-run shot by Francour (who is slowly becoming my nemesis, it seems...lol).

Some highlights:

BOS 9 10 0
ATL 2 6 0

Lester CG, 8 Ks and 1 walk. 104 pitches
Knocked out Lowe in the 3rd inning (over 70 pitches...can't remember the exact #) and drew a personal best 10 WALKS! (I was excited...lol).

Pedroia 4-4 with a walk, 2 doubles, 2 RBI.
Elsbury: 2 SB, 1 BB
Drew: 1-2, 2 BB, 1 HR, 1 RBI
Ortiz: 1-2, 2BB
Youk: 2 BB


It was just a fun game and it was awesome to win by giving the opposing pitcher fits and working count after count. The announcers were digging it too.. Lester was a beast, but as I said quitely so. If you would have asked me how many Ks I got before I looked at the box, I would've guess 4-5...nothing great. I was surprised, actually. Looking back though, that curve was a monster.

For the record, I'm not posting this to prove anything (it really has little to do with this thread, admittedly...lol...sorry). Just wanted to share. I guess to relate it to this thread loosely, I'll just say this is part of why the game doesn't need saving FOR ME.

I love how each game feels like it's own entity. There always seems like there's a chance for a "first" in every game. This is the most walks I've drawn in a baseball game EVER. I was thrilled. I usually can get around 4 or so with a high being 6 (maybe 7). It was just a new way to dominate and this is just one of the many things keeping me coming back.

The game oozes baseball IMO...plain and simple. I'm honestly sorry for those who aren't getting that same experience. I really hope you guys can figure something out.

Anyway, thanks for indulging me..

[DrUrsus]

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For the record, I'm not posting this to prove anything (it really has little to do with this thread, admittedly...lol...sorry). Just wanted to share. I guess to relate it to this thread loosely, I'll just say this is part of why the game doesn't need saving FOR ME.

LOL, you did loosely tie it in. Seriously, this game is like what I dreamed about as a kid.

[dorismary]

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As I said before, any pitcher can throw a low and outside the zone fastball anytime they want. Shoot I can go out throw low outside everytime. Ratings shouldn't have anything to do with how well a pitcher can throw outside the zone. Now of course I'm talking extremes here, not talking about nipping at the corners. Heres an example that happened to me the other night.

I'm up on the Angeles 3 to 1 in the bottom of the 6th inning pitching with Jake Peavy. In the top of that inning I hit a two run homer with Gerut. The only run so far by the Angels was a solo shot from Vlad on a mistake pitch which was totally my fault. At this point I'm pretty much cruising along with Peavy and then all of a sudden everything changes. It goes walk, single, routine ground ball to Eckstein so I'm thinking double play but Eckstein lets the ball go right thru his legs, one run scores. Now theres first third nobody out. Here comes Chone Figgins. I have him down 1-2. I aim low and way outside the zone but somehow the ball goes right over the plate and Chone takes me deep for a three run shot. Thats not realistic, that doesn't happen in real life. I'm not saying that Chone can't hit a home run, what I'm saying is that if a major league pitcher wants to throw it low and way outside, he'll be able to pretty much every single time. Now I get the fact that this is a video game but SCEA does claim that this is the most realistic baseball made. Also, there is an option for cpu comebacks so thats pretty much proves that there is a comeback logic coded into the game.

Excellent post !!! but Ill tell you I can even live with the bad timing error .
But I cant and wouldnt expect anyone to accept how a fairly wide and outside pitch goes down the middle with a pitcher with excellent control not tired . I mean at BEST if I was throwing wide and outside wouldnt it in theory go wider or in the dirt for a pass ball or WP ? :wink:

[dorismary]

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I play MOM and there is not option to turn comeback on or off but I rarely get a clean ninth inning in a save situation. I strongly suspect the "clutch" code combined with pitcher confidence is causing what people are attributing to comeback. They should include a slider to turn clutch up, down, or off. If you turned clutch completely off I think you would see normal endings to games.

Wow I cant believe this also happens in MOM , kind of proves a point .
I believe of what you speak is true but they added something else also that kicks in when they are trailling
ahead ect .
Which is fine win or lose but when we get straight out cheated it gets a bit tired and the more people play this game they will realize this .
My only real issue that I cant get around is the magic pitch location .

[dorismary]

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so a pitcher in real life never misses his spot when pitching?

Ok heres the word games again
when a pitcher whether you play real ball or not is purposely throwing a pitch wide and outside low in the dirt , it would either be a outside , wide or in the dirt , even a Wp or Pb would be acceptable ! but not in the middle of the plate because some Cpu AI thing kicks in ? :wink:

[jim416]

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Seriously, this game is like what I dreamed about as a kid.

Yeah, I can put Triple Play 98 to bed now.

Which is fine win or lose but when we get straight out cheated it gets a bit tired and the more people play this game they will realize this .

Does red give your point more emphasis, lol. How many games is it going to take for us to realize this? Throwing an intentional ball in the dirt it winds up over the plate?
You're kidding, right? This is really getting crazy.

[dorismary]

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I think what he's saying is if you aim far outside the zone to pitch around a hitter, but end up missing your release point and hanging a curveball then oops - yes that can end up in the zone. However, a fastball aimed at the same place with a good release and lower speed should not float over the plate (unless maybe you max the meter at full speed.) I just don't see this happening when I'm trailing in a game, only when leading. When you're up 0-2 and aim a splitter in the dirt (which is your #2 pitch) with good confidence and perfect release and it ends up belt high middle of the plate it's like ????

Also, he has a point. Comeback code (or ratings boosts) were programmed in the game. I don't know how much resources or time was needed to implement this into the game but it doesn't seem like it would be a popular feature for the mainstream public to use. Heck, even experienced players ask where to find the switch to turn it on & off. It's not a marketed feature - nobody knows it's there. If a kid or noob were to play against an experienced adult player can't you just put him on rookie and yourself on a higher difficulty? I just can't see anyone wanting to use the comeback feature.

Thanks for understanding what we are saying and by the way im using classic pitching so I have little chance of missing my pitch with a accurate pitcher with high confidence especially wide and outside .
As I said before I would even accept if they programmed in a WP or Pb as a alternative to it going back into the strike zone.
I mean many Times Ill throw a cutter with Mariano and check the movement and Ill aim/throw another one exactly the same and it should be even wider but it goes dead down the middle
This is by far my favorite game ever but the Boost/confidence thing needs to be toned down or have a on /off option .:wink:

[DrUrsus]

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Yeah, I can put Triple Play 98 to bed now.




Does red give your point more emphasis, lol. How many games is it going to take for us to realize this? Throwing an intentional ball in the dirt it winds up over the plate?
You're kidding, right? This is really getting crazy.

Yea, it is. This thread is just beating a dead horse now. As Jim Rome says, "I'm out".

[countryboy]

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Ok heres the word games again
when a pitcher whether you play real ball or not is purposely throwing a pitch wide and outside low in the dirt , it would either be a outside , wide or in the dirt , even a Wp or Pb would be acceptable ! but not in the middle of the plate because some Cpu AI thing kicks in ? :wink:

So there's no chance for the ball to end up over the plate in this situation? Thats what you're telling me. No way the pitcher has a bad release point and the ball stays out over the plate.

[JT30]

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So there's no chance for the ball to end up over the plate in this situation? Thats what you're telling me. No way the pitcher has a bad release point and the ball stays out over the plate.

yes of course it can stay over the player once in a while.. but the point is, is that it happens more often than it should

[countryboy]

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yes of course it can stay over the player once in a while.. but the point is, is that it happens more often than it should

ahhh...I see. Earlier they were speaking absolute like it should never happen.