MLB '10: The Show - Player Potential Fix Coming in Next Roster Update

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Re: MLB '10: The Show - Player Potential Fix Coming in Next Roster Update

David Wright should be a B? Don't you think he's as good as he's going to get? If he's at his highest point, he should be an F then, meaning he has no potential to develop further. That's the way I always read potential.

[Microsoft_Works]

Re: MLB '10: The Show - Player Potential Fix Coming in Next Roster Update

David Wright should be a B? Don't you think he's as good as he's going to get? If he's at his highest point, he should be an F then, meaning he has no potential to develop further. That's the way I always read potential.

That is not the way SCEA reads potential however.

[BatsareBugs]

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oh lordie, this whole thread no one has recommended that any of their teams players potential go DOWN.
homerism is in da houuuuuse

Yeah, my post is being drowned out by a ton.

[bxgoods]

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potential rating also affects trade value, a player with a F potential rating have very low trade value. I can't trade Jose Reyes for a bag of peanuts because his potential is so low.

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That is not the way SCEA reads potential however.

ah hah! ok, sorry if i didn't read up as i should have. doh, silly me.

[bigal093]

I really hope its not too late, but there are a lot of problems on the pirates(what else is new..haha).

SP Zack Duke-D--was B or A last year
SP Ross Ohlendorf-D--was B i think last year...could argue he's an A (maybe should be, idk wat u guys had him at)
SP Kevin Hart-D--should be at least C i think he was C or B last yr.
SP Paul Maholm-D--should be a B
SP Daniel McCutchen-D--should be C min, maybe B
SP Charlie Morton-D--should no doubt be a B min...has GREAT stuff
SP Jeff Karstens-D--prob. C
RP Evan Meek-D--definately B min, maybe A?
RP Craig Hanson-F--tons of talent should be B
RP Jose Ascanio-D--C,B..idk he's on our 40-man i believe
RP Donnie Veal-D--prob B, maybe C
C Ryan Doumit-B--A last yr...is an A pot guy if healthy no doubt
C Jason Jaramillo-F--C pot possibly B(doubt it) quality quality back up switch hitter
SS Ronny Cedeno-D--should be B or C
LF Ryan Church-D--think he was B last yr???
LF Delwyn Young-F--prob. a C guy quality Utility guy hit very well last yr.

These next are guys im unsure of if its a mistake or not
1B-Garret Jones-B--its prob right but i didn't know if he's supposed to be A
SP Virgil Vasquez-D--might be a C, but i think u meant to give him a D idk?
RP Neal Cotts-D--dont know much about him but is he a C?
1B-Steve Pearce-D--Guy is not a D pot...C MAYBE pushing low B
2B-Akinori Iwamora-C--B? prob a C but again idk
3B-Andy Laroche-C--low B??showed great defense and started tearing up the ball near .300 but had bad end of the year.
3B-Neil Walker-D--C at least he's still young, but not a D...and not so insanely low that you rated him???? he was a high pick, he's got some talent.
RF-Brandon Moss-D--B last yr i think...he's prob a C guy though
LF?-Brandon Jones-D--dont know a lot about him but D seems low for a younger guy...idk wat u had him at originally

AND i was wondering...are you guys going through the whole roster set, or just fixing the guys that we list? b/c im sure people will miss some players.

P.S.---you know you have a GREAT game when we're willing to put up with this stuff...lol.....nice job jumping on this quick. but i still have to wait for knight's rosters anyway, so it'll still be a while before i go real hardcore into franchise.

[ocho cuatro]

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For me...
David Wright is an F should be a B
Jose Reyes is an F...should be a B or an A

The main thing I hope for is this.
Fake players...about 30 A potential players...any more and that would be too many IMO.
Tough to say on the B guys...maybe 100-150?
Plenty of C's...and some D's and F's

M.K.
Knight165

I would LOVE to have 30 fake A potential players to work with!

[bigal093]

How do you think they get the ratings in the first place? They use the stats. In my perfect world, there would be no potential rating for players that have at least three years in the majors. By then you should already know what their potential is. They should use the three years of weighted stats just like they do to create the players in the first place, with an obvious decline starting sometime after 30. I really don't think it is putting the cart before the horse to use the exact same methodology that the developers use.

but the obivious decline at 30 isn't fair...look at a guy like the big unit who had his best years after 30...WAY after...and Garret Jones just jumped on the scene, and he's like 29, so ur telling me he's going to get worse in 1 year? there are so many factors, that there has to be a random factor, with guys who prove themselves to ALMOST all of the time stay at big league level and some guys to IMPROVE even after 30...its so hard to make the whole process work. And i don't see why guys in their early 20s should EVER decline...they don't the guys who don't make it just don't improve, they don't actually decline, they get better but only marginally....that is the entire core issue with the show's potential. young players MUST all improve to some degree. and some guys should jump up in rating at extreme rates that nobody expected. randomness, and its almost impossible to mirror this.

[Lisa_Bonami]

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Couple of quick questions about potential:


-Is a player's POTENTIAL Rating always guaranteed to produce the player reflected in that rating?....I am hoping not

-Do all GMs and scouts see a player's Potential Rating as the same letter grade or do they see it differently depending on the talent of the scout/GM?

-Do different teams have different priorities or criteria when negotiating trades that reflect their own franchise's goals or needs?

-Was this whole potential problem an issue in MLB 09 last year?...if not, what changed this year to cause this problem?

Thanks...this will help me understand and appreciate the game's internal workings a little better

[econoodle]

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I really hope its not too late, but there are a lot of problems on the pirates(what else is new..haha).

SP Zack Duke-D--was B or A last year
SP Ross Ohlendorf-D--was B i think last year...could argue he's an A (maybe should be, idk wat u guys had him at)
SP Kevin Hart-D--should be at least C i think he was C or B last yr.
SP Paul Maholm-D--should be a B
SP Daniel McCutchen-D--should be C min, maybe B
SP Charlie Morton-D--should no doubt be a B min...has GREAT stuff
SP Jeff Karstens-D--prob. C
RP Evan Meek-D--definately B min, maybe A?
RP Craig Hanson-F--tons of talent should be B
RP Jose Ascanio-D--C,B..idk he's on our 40-man i believe
RP Donnie Veal-D--prob B, maybe C
C Ryan Doumit-B--A last yr...is an A pot guy if healthy no doubt
C Jason Jaramillo-F--C pot possibly B(doubt it) quality quality back up switch hitter
SS Ronny Cedeno-D--should be B or C
LF Ryan Church-D--think he was B last yr???
LF Delwyn Young-F--prob. a C guy quality Utility guy hit very well last yr.

These next are guys im unsure of if its a mistake or not
1B-Garret Jones-B--its prob right but i didn't know if he's supposed to be A
SP Virgil Vasquez-D--might be a C, but i think u meant to give him a D idk?
RP Neal Cotts-D--dont know much about him but is he a C?
1B-Steve Pearce-D--Guy is not a D pot...C MAYBE pushing low B
2B-Akinori Iwamora-C--B? prob a C but again idk
3B-Andy Laroche-C--low B??showed great defense and started tearing up the ball near .300 but had bad end of the year.
3B-Neil Walker-D--C at least he's still young, but not a D...and not so insanely low that you rated him???? he was a high pick, he's got some talent.
RF-Brandon Moss-D--B last yr i think...he's prob a C guy though
LF?-Brandon Jones-D--dont know a lot about him but D seems low for a younger guy...idk wat u had him at originally

AND i was wondering...are you guys going through the whole roster set, or just fixing the guys that we list? b/c im sure people will miss some players.

P.S.---you know you have a GREAT game when we're willing to put up with this stuff...lol.....nice job jumping on this quick. but i still have to wait for knight's rosters anyway, so it'll still be a while before i go real hardcore into franchise.

so the whole roster needs to go UP?
come on now
lol silly rabbit.

[The Police]

Re: MLB '10: The Show - Player Potential Fix Coming in Next Roster Update

The potential ratings last year worked fine, a superstar should have A potential, if he has anything less he will decline a ton ever year.

[Knight165]

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Couple of quick questions about potential:


-Is a player's POTENTIAL Rating always guaranteed to produce the player reflected in that rating?....I am hoping not
Not exactly. A B rated player...may not be trained properly.....and if he has poor performance may possibly drop to a C rating....this happens in season. Also...the potential grade has a varied growth rate...(a B can get say 5-8 point per season in certain areas...usually dependent on primary position)...age is a factor(at certain ages players will "level"...and then later will decline regardless of potential......it is not set in stone and also has a variance factor)

-Do all GMs and scouts see a player's Potential Rating as the same letter grade or do they see it differently depending on the talent of the scout/GM?
GM's will see the ratings as their scouts do.
Scouts have varied talent ratings.

-Do different teams have different priorities or criteria when negotiating trades that reflect their own franchise's goals or needs?
Absolutely.
Team need...budget...team mode(rebuilding..playoff push etc)

-Was this whole potential problem an issue in MLB 09 last year?...if not, what changed this year to cause this problem?
No.....there was a bug when they made the rosters this year. You can tell that fake minor leaguers got a lot of the MLB players potential ratings....last year there were 7 A rated minor leaguers(fake)....this year 150....something swapped the ratings I would say.

Thanks...this will help me understand and appreciate the game's internal workings a little better

Hope this helps.

M.K.
Knight165

[Lisa_Bonami]

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Knight...thanks for the quick and thorough response!

Let me just ask this follow up question here which may be a little off topic but it will save some clutter on the boards with another post;

There's so much information scattered all over the place and I just dont have time to read everything, so I apologize if these are obvious


I want to start a franchise and get fairly realistic results from the game's AI and Logic but I know some things are broken or need tweaking with a patch and a roster upgrade, but if I start a franchise, can I expect the game's AI to be competent in the following areas:

-Setting realistic and normal lineups for the rest of the teams in the league and also routinely updating those lineups to take advantage of player hot streaks and slumps

-Calling up Minor Leaguers (and demoting Major Leaguers) in appropriate situations when they perform at a level deserving of it (not just as replacements for injured players)

-Setting proper pitching rotations and even more importantly, logical bullpen roles based on their talent

-Correctly set shorter Pitch Rotations during playoffs to utilize star pitchers

-Intelligently utilize the Free Agency pool and pickup good talent when available

-Make intelligent trades to facilitate their team's immediate needs


Thanks if you can answer any of these questions!

[adam914]

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I really hope its not too late, but there are a lot of problems on the pirates(what else is new..haha).

SP Zack Duke-D--was B or A last year
SP Ross Ohlendorf-D--was B i think last year...could argue he's an A (maybe should be, idk wat u guys had him at)
SP Kevin Hart-D--should be at least C i think he was C or B last yr.
SP Paul Maholm-D--should be a B
SP Daniel McCutchen-D--should be C min, maybe B
SP Charlie Morton-D--should no doubt be a B min...has GREAT stuff
SP Jeff Karstens-D--prob. C
RP Evan Meek-D--definately B min, maybe A?
RP Craig Hanson-F--tons of talent should be B
RP Jose Ascanio-D--C,B..idk he's on our 40-man i believe
RP Donnie Veal-D--prob B, maybe C
C Ryan Doumit-B--A last yr...is an A pot guy if healthy no doubt
C Jason Jaramillo-F--C pot possibly B(doubt it) quality quality back up switch hitter
SS Ronny Cedeno-D--should be B or C
LF Ryan Church-D--think he was B last yr???
LF Delwyn Young-F--prob. a C guy quality Utility guy hit very well last yr.

These next are guys im unsure of if its a mistake or not
1B-Garret Jones-B--its prob right but i didn't know if he's supposed to be A
SP Virgil Vasquez-D--might be a C, but i think u meant to give him a D idk?
RP Neal Cotts-D--dont know much about him but is he a C?
1B-Steve Pearce-D--Guy is not a D pot...C MAYBE pushing low B
2B-Akinori Iwamora-C--B? prob a C but again idk
3B-Andy Laroche-C--low B??showed great defense and started tearing up the ball near .300 but had bad end of the year.
3B-Neil Walker-D--C at least he's still young, but not a D...and not so insanely low that you rated him???? he was a high pick, he's got some talent.
RF-Brandon Moss-D--B last yr i think...he's prob a C guy though
LF?-Brandon Jones-D--dont know a lot about him but D seems low for a younger guy...idk wat u had him at originally

Wow judging by this the Pirates should win 120 games for the next 10 years straight at least.

[Knight165]

Re: MLB '10: The Show - Player Potential Fix Coming in Next Roster Update

Knight...thanks for the quick and thorough response!

Let me just ask this follow up question here which may be a little off topic but it will save some clutter on the boards with another post;

There's so much information scattered all over the place and I just dont have time to read everything, so I apologize if these are obvious


I want to start a franchise and get fairly realistic results from the game's AI and Logic but I know some things are broken or need tweaking with a patch and a roster upgrade, but if I start a franchise, can I expect the game's AI to be competent in the following areas:

-Setting realistic and normal lineups for the rest of the teams in the league and also routinely updating those lineups to take advantage of player hot streaks and slumps
This one is subjective. If you don't look at player names..and focus on what their attributes are...I think the CPU does a very good job.
They will adjust for performance...but it's not all over the place. Don't expect Jerry Manuel lineups.

-Calling up Minor Leaguers (and demoting Major Leaguers) in appropriate situations when they perform at a level deserving of it (not just as replacements for injured players)
It will....but I think this could use some more work.

-Setting proper pitching rotations and even more importantly, logical bullpen roles based on their talent
Yes...this it's fairly good at. There is one bug where if the team trades for a second closer(ala Mets Putz/Rodriquez)...it won't put one as the setup...instead puts one in AAA....Kolbe knows and will hopefully address this

-Correctly set shorter Pitch Rotations during playoffs to utilize star pitchers
I'm not sure if this made it. I thought I read somewhere that it used a short staff...not sure if it was 3 or 4.

-Intelligently utilize the Free Agency pool and pickup good talent when available
I was surprised to see that they did indeed get in FA signings DURING the season!....

-Make intelligent trades to facilitate their team's immediate needs
Okay....right now trades may be too plentiful. A lot of teams are vying for all those A potential fake minor leaguers. Hopefully the roster update cures some of this. It seems like any team not in the playoff push mode...is shedding contract for prospects... TBD


Thanks if you can answer any of these questions!

Again...hope this helps.

M.K.
Knight165