2013 Franchise Issue Explained (With Pics)

[Heroesandvillains]

Re: 2013 Franchise Issue Explained (With Pics)

Don't quote me on Ishakawa. I'm probably wrong. And the option did pop up...but only when I clicked on him. NOT next to his name, where it should be.

But my question is:

Shouldn't the 'arbitration eligable' notice be written right next to ALL of the Arb eligible players on said teams roster in the manage contracts screen?

Some, like Phil Hughes, always had it written next to them...when I was NYY, obviously.

But some others, I just clicked on by chance...seeing the NYY, SF, and COL ballcaps. And sure enough, 'offer arbitrarion' popped up just below 'offer contract.'

I'm just wondering why the notice wasn't there on the main screen like it was for some others? It takes forever looking through every player from those teams...meaning I have to memorize the MILB ball caps and click on them. It's easier to just read the right hand side of the manage contracts screen. Below the Type A and Type B players, only the relevant notices appear, correlating with the players of whichever team I am on.

Am I making sense? I'm confusing myself. LOL!!!

[rjv3]

Re: 2013 Franchise Issue Explained (With Pics)

Don't quote me on Ishakawa. I'm probably wrong.

But my question is:

Shouldn't the 'arbitration eligable' notice pop up for all of the Arb eligible players on said teams roster in the manage contracts screen?

Some, like Phil Hughes, always had it written next to them.

But some others, I just clicked on by chance...seeing the NYY, SF, and COL ballcaps. And sure enough, 'offer arbitrarion' popped up just below 'offer contract.'

I'm just wondering why the notice wasn't there on the main screen? It takes forever looking through every player from those teams...meaning I have to memorize the MILB ball caps and click on them.

Am I making sense? I'm confusing myself. LOL!!!

No, you're making sense. But what I'm saying is that those things should not be happening. Every player that's eligible for renewal or arby should have a notification. I'm unaware of an option that takes away those notifications and, even if said option was available, I imagine it would be universal and you wouldn't be seeing notifications for anybody.

So... another bug/error in the mode, perhaps?

[joshopsu]

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I just did my first sim experiment with 1-team control (PHI Phillies). I only had to sim thru 2 offseasons to see the problems. Here's my synopsis:

Manual training

Trade logic seems okay to me.

Immediately in both offseasons, I could see that there are many prospects (with A or B potential) that do NOT belong in the free agent pool due to lack of MLB experience. These players are getting snatched up quickly, which is causing a lot of Type A free agents to sit in free agency for longer than normal. Ultimately the Type A's signed, but it was for far less money than a big free agent deserves. Also, they are getting many offers from multiple teams (i.e. Type A free agent Huston Street only getting offered a 1-yr deal worth 7M, even though he was asking for 10.2M when I opened the offer screen). In the first offseason, I was able to sign Desmond Jennings to a big contract, even though he should have never been allowed to leave Tampa Bay.

So, something isn't kicking in with the prospects and young guys. I'm wondering if it has to do with that 5-day exclusive offer period...

[Heroesandvillains]

Re: 2013 Franchise Issue Explained (With Pics)

No, you're making sense. But what I'm saying is that those things should not be happening. Every player that's eligible for renewal or arby should have a notification. I'm unaware of an option that takes away those notifications and, even if said option was available, I imagine it would be universal and you wouldn't be seeing notifications for anybody.

So... another bug/error in the mode, perhaps?

Just to be clear, the option was available to all Arb eligible players. But some I physically had to click on too see.

I mean, either way, you need to click on them to make an offer. What confuses me is why some have the notification automatically written next to them...alerting me that 'my former player' needs an offer...but some others don't. In order to even be aware some were Arb eligable, I HAD to click on them first.

The offer was never taken away from me. Every player due had the ability to have it offered to them. Only some didn't have it written 'next' to them.

It's a pain. And terribly time consuming.

[Heroesandvillains]

Re: 2013 Franchise Issue Explained (With Pics)

Josh...you've re-confirmed a test that's already been done. Thanks for simming and posting though.

If you want to help me/us out, go back a few pages and catch up on the recent testing.

You may be right about the 5 day period. This is what we are testing now.

PM me or post here if you have any questions about how to test after reading back.

Thanks a lot man. Good work.

[rjv3]

Re: 2013 Franchise Issue Explained (With Pics)

Just to be clear, the option was available to all Arb eligible players. But some I physically had to click on too see.

I mean, either way, you need to click on them to make an offer. What confuses me is why some have the notification automatically written next to them...alerting me that 'my former player' needs an offer...but some others don't. In order to even be aware some were Arb eligable, I HAD to click on them first.

The offer was never taken away from me. Every player due had the ability to have it offered to them. Only some didn't have it written 'next' to them.

It's a pain. And terribly time consuming.

Right, I assumed that was what you meant. I was commenting on the fact that ANY and ALL players eligible for either renewal or arby should be clearly identified. They shouldn't be "hidden" (if you can call it that) and made to be discovered; they should all be clearly marked.

I was thinking that since the game neglected to identify those players--even though the option to offer arby was still there (if you dug deep enough)--and notify you, the user, that it might be some sort of bug. Because it doesn't make sense to me why some of the guys are identified and some aren't when they both have the same options available to them.

The game should recognize that these types of guys are obviously eligible for arbitration. So I'm not sure what's going on to the point where that info is not clearly presented to the user.

[Heroesandvillains]

Re: 2013 Franchise Issue Explained (With Pics)

I'll pay more attention tonight.

Maybe it didn't notify me only for players with the right to decline, with no hearing.

It was after the exclusive negotiating period after all.

Just a guess. I should have written them down. My bad.

[tabarnes19_SDS]

Re: 2013 Franchise Issue Explained (With Pics)

Heroes you can assign auto to everything and still "jump in" the problem with signing fa is you are scewing results. Signing all available fa to your team doesn't accurately test the system. Some players may be controlling the pirates which do not have the money the Yanks have.

[Heroesandvillains]

Re: 2013 Franchise Issue Explained (With Pics)

Heroes you can assign auto to everything and still "jump in" the problem with signing fa is you are scewing results. Signing all available fa to your team doesn't accurately test the system. Some players may be controlling the pirates which do not have the money the Yanks have.

You're right.

Remember, I offered a total of 4 contracts. Total.

And still, players I did not offer to, the 'stars,' still signed with other teams. I didn't offer to everyone! LOL! You've seen the FA list from that year. It's absurd. Dozens upon dozens upon dozens of 'stars.' I don't see how that could have screwed up anything.

But, like I said...and you said. The testing has to have as little user input as possible. Will do.

Thanks Tbarnes.

[joshopsu]

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I may be confirming what some of you have already discovered, but it's good for the developers to see us finding the same things:

I ran thru another sim (1-team control). I'm able to focus on the date, December 2nd, that teams unload the players that they shouldn't. 12/2 is an important date because it is the deadline that teams can give any offer to their own players (renewal or arbitration). If they don't the players become free agents. This is what is happening. I'm looking at a 21 year old fictional 1B that is asking for $1.9 mil in free agency with no MLB experience!!! He's not even a Type A or B free agent.

So I don't know if it's the CPU logic with budget concerns or if it's something that's not getting triggered.

[Knight165]

Re: 2013 Franchise Issue Explained (With Pics)

I may be confirming what some of you have already discovered, but it's good for the developers to see us finding the same things:

I ran thru another sim (1-team control). I'm able to focus on the date, December 2nd, that teams unload the players that they shouldn't. 12/2 is an important date because it is the deadline that teams can give any offer to their own players (renewal or arbitration). If they don't the players become free agents. This is what is happening. I'm looking at a 21 year old fictional 1B that is asking for $1.9 mil in free agency with no MLB experience!!! He's not even a Type A or B free agent.

So I don't know if it's the CPU logic with budget concerns or if it's something that's not getting triggered.

Holy smoke....I wonder if it is this...
They moved the exclusive signing period to 5 days this year to coincide with the new MLB exclusive signing period.
I wonder if they neglected to change the A.I. to deal with that?
Reading you post on the "date" made me think of it...when I saw that they got it in.
Perhaps I'm not on the right track with what you guys are talking about...but ...

M.K.
Knight165

[Neolithic]

Re: 2013 Franchise Issue Explained (With Pics)

Just wanted to let the thread know that I've been in contact with herosandvillans and have started my own set of sims. I'm going to use both his instructions, and another set with my own ideas. Will be saving screenshots of every FA period. Will post my results once I have my pile of data.

[ktd1976]

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Heroes you can assign auto to everything and still "jump in" the problem with signing fa is you are scewing results. Signing all available fa to your team doesn't accurately test the system. Some players may be controlling the pirates which do not have the money the Yanks have.

Tabarnes, I understand what you are saying, but at the same time, by him NOT attempting to sign players for his "manually" controlled team, he may be screwing results as well. As pretty much everyone that uses 30 team control, is going to have at least one team they control MOST offseason tasks. By not doing so, it may skewer results as well.

[ktd1976]

Re: 2013 Franchise Issue Explained (With Pics)

Holy smoke....I wonder if it is this...
They moved the exclusive signing period to 5 days this year to coincide with the new MLB exclusive signing period.
I wonder if they neglected to change the A.I. to deal with that?
Reading you post on the "date" made me think of it...when I saw that they got it in.
Perhaps I'm not on the right track with what you guys are talking about...but ...

M.K.
Knight165

Knight, what was the previous exclusive signing period length? Your idea could have part to do with the problem....however, from my testing, it seems that any offers of arbitration during this exclusive period are NOT even registered after the period ends. IE I offered Jose Valverde and Magglio Ordonez arbitration during this period....and after the period ended, when I checked the FA list, Valverde had an offer from the Royals. So I clicked on him to make a better offer, and I was able to offer arbitration again.....so I did so....afterwards, on the FA screen under status, it said "arbitration offered" when previously it said Type A

Also, to the person saying that DEC 2 was the date where CPU teams were unloading young free agents....after the exclusive negotiating period, teams are still able to make offers of arbitration, and tender contracts to the "contract renewable" players......makes me wonder though, if you tender a contract, and the player refuses, the game is making him a free agent....hmmmm

[joshopsu]

Re: 2013 Franchise Issue Explained (With Pics)

If I had to bet money on it, I would guess that the developers put in a mathematical logarithm that the CPU uses to balance it's budget to determine if it's going to re-sign a player or not. If this is true, maybe it's just a matter of tweaking the algorithm. And it would make for an easy fix.

But of course, this is just optimism and speculation coming from a math teacher.