Community Day....FRANCHISE and EDITOR

[GWPump23]

Re: Community Day....FRANCHISE and EDITOR

OK, I wouldn't say I'm "PO'd"...

But, I would like to hear more about the line-up logic before again posting...

"Damn Vita..."

-GW-

[steelersfan77]

Re: Community Day....FRANCHISE and EDITOR

That can't be accurate. I caught a video somewhere on here, I'll have to find it, that stated lineup logic was totally rewritten in code from scratch and that'll it'll now work correctly. Believe it was from a dev. There shouldn't be any issues with lineup logic. The team didn't even add features to franchise mode this year and worked on perfecting what they already had in. This mode should be much user friendly this year. Let's hold off before we start jumping off ledges.

[tonybologna]

Re: Community Day....FRANCHISE and EDITOR

I'm going to be brutally honest here.
IDGAF what other games allow you to do or do not allow you to do.....it has zero bearing on this game or why SCEA wants to keep it as is. Not everyone is a hardcore roster freak and they simply have checks in there that THIS game needs in order to start a franchise. This is their way to insure that someone who is not as adept at roster making can still make moves without totally wrecking any work they have already done(I'm talking the auto fix here...since that is not the solution if you want to see what you've done stick)
If you cannot find a way to easily keep roster accurate in it's current form....with 3 FA lists and the ability to import players ....then you're not thinking enough.

M.K.
Knight165

Dang Knight! You have went overboard here dude! You make it seem like I'm the only one complaining about this. Good grief! There's obviously quite a few people that have the same issue as me about this situation.

Are you going to set here & say just because of the 3 FA lists that we can keep rosters accurate outside of franchise mode? You make it sound like it's a piece of cake. That's not true in any way whatsoever! It's impossible to swap players to keep accurate rosters whether it be straight up from teams or by using the FA lists.

I love your work with this game but I have to respectfully disagree with your opinion about this. Thanks!

[steelersfan77]

Re: Community Day....FRANCHISE and EDITOR

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...rough-ps3.html

Here we go....

Lineup logic totally rewritten from scratch

More variety from players in the draft

Teams will dump prospects for veterans that are in a playoff push and vice versa for teams that are out of a playoff race, especially low budget teams looking to add depth to the minor leagues with talent

I would assume there was more polish than that but that's what was talked about in this video. I wouldn't think any of it was a blattant lie. Unless I'm missing the point of the discussion in recent posts.

As long as certain things were polished up we shouldn't have to use 30 team control. I don't have a problem with having to get rosters to the 25 man before advancing from spring training. Knight and other roster makers already have that set up for folks leaning on that. I can't complain there. Heck roster makers even create real life minor league players and set those lineups. I'm fine with 3 for 1 trades. Hopefully in the near future they will allow us the user to trade for cash or a PTBL as well as 3 team trades. I think there are 3 team trades in baseball.

Here is what I look for in a smarter AI with roster management. Things like....

lineup logic

who should be called up and sent down based on stats and time of service

correct management of disabled list players

better control of free agents and trades during deadlines

better control of minor league stars in the making

****If nothing was added to franchise and the team wanted to polish up what was in the game already these items should be just fine.

[Knight165]

Re: Community Day....FRANCHISE and EDITOR

Wait did I hear this right ???

Prepare for a rant....

We still can't just set our rosters ONCE outside of a Franchise for Exhibition games and then be able to skip spring training entirely WITHOUT having to send down 450 players or redoing ALL the teams rosters again on day 1 of the real season just to make them stick !!!

Then you say that we could just set them on day one which means that we still have to control all 30 clubs which also means that we have to set a bunch of options to manual, turn off trades and be forced to SIM all the other teams games before playing our own to even get all the bells and whistles like in-game score updates and then on top of all of that still have to set our rosters TWICE since the rosters we set outside of our season won't work unless we send down 450 guys and call them back up

I thought there goal was to make things easier and more user friendly this year for starting a franchise or season ??

Seriously I just want to control "1 team" and start a Franchise and have the rosters & line-ups that I set stick at least just from day 1 of the season !!!



This is so absurd that we will once again have to follow a damn "how to" guide just to get the rosters that we spend hours on to stick

It didn't use to be this way!!!! I can't even do simple season test sims anymore to see how all the teams will do with the roster changes that they really make throughout the real season because I have to spend an extra hour sending guys down just to get accurate realism

Also I didn't hear anything mentioned about the new and improved line-up logic and how it helps anything ???

Seriously someone talk me off the ledge because I'm PO'ed

Yep...pretty much....and stop it, you're being ridiculous like someone killed your dog or something.

OK, I wouldn't say I'm "PO'd"...

But, I would like to hear more about the line-up logic before again posting...

"Damn Vita..."

-GW-

There is new lineup logic.
If you want certain lineups however, you're just going to have to use 30 team control....wait until day one of the season and set them then with lineups control set to manual.

That can't be accurate. I caught a video somewhere on here, I'll have to find it, that stated lineup logic was totally rewritten in code from scratch and that'll it'll now work correctly. Believe it was from a dev. There shouldn't be any issues with lineup logic. The team didn't even add features to franchise mode this year and worked on perfecting what they already had in. This mode should be much user friendly this year. Let's hold off before we start jumping off ledges.

The lineup logic has nothing to do with what they are asking for. They want a lineup lock, which has not been added to the game this year.

Dang Knight! You have went overboard here dude! You make it seem like I'm the only one complaining about this. Good grief! There's obviously quite a few people that have the same issue as me about this situation.

Are you going to set here & say just because of the 3 FA lists that we can keep rosters accurate outside of franchise mode? You make it sound like it's a piece of cake. That's not true in any way whatsoever! It's impossible to swap players to keep accurate rosters whether it be straight up from teams or by using the FA lists.

I love your work with this game but I have to respectfully disagree with your opinion about this. Thanks!

It really is quite simple IMO.

Provide me with a scenario where you think it would be overly complicated....I'll show you how easy it is.

M.K.
Knight165

[SoxFan01605]

Re: Community Day....FRANCHISE and EDITOR

Callups are still injury/trade based.

Roster logic is tweaked as well.....(for signings and such)...but it remains to be seen in a more varied/larger sim base(from what we could do and check in limited time) how much it is improved. The core logic should keep things like this from happening, but I did see some teams carrying a lot of catchers sometimes(in the organization...not at one level).......they are aware and looking at it.

Budgets were still being tweaked when we left. Looked better, but small market teams will have to win(and win often) to see big gains....they are exploring some possible options on this(for '12...but it's tight!)

M.K.
Knight165

Thanks for checking these out.

Not concerned about small market team (I like that budgets are tight), it was more about tying income to more than just winning (since if you win, you are pretty much set no matter how you manage your funds) and basing it more on the market itself. It's good to see they are playing around with it though!

[steelersfan77]

Re: Community Day....FRANCHISE and EDITOR

The lineup logic has nothing to do with what they are asking for. They want a lineup lock, which has not been added to the game this year.


M.K.
Knight165

Oh, I didn't know they wanted a lineup lock. Either way, lineup logic was worked on and rewritten so it shouldn't be a major concern. Correct? Why would it be needed? Didn't even know lineup lock was even being asked for. To me that doesn't give the AI flexibility when creating lineups. It's been said before that the AI doesn't recognize names but stats and ratings, correct? The new lineup logic should work. Tell them it'll work Knight!...lol

I'd assume, I hate that word BTW, that lineup logic (along with many other franchise features) was tested during franchise mode play at the community event.

[Bobhead]

Re: Community Day....FRANCHISE and EDITOR

Sorry if it's been asked already, but still no 2 for 1 player movement (outside of franchise mode)?

[steelersfan77]

Re: Community Day....FRANCHISE and EDITOR

Sorry if it's been asked already, but still no 2 for 1 player movement (outside of franchise mode)?

This was quoted from Knight on page 20 pertaining to a question just like yours.


No...one for one swaps in managing rosters outside of franchise.

M.K.
Knight165

[Knight165]

Re: Community Day....FRANCHISE and EDITOR

Ah understandable I guess...but after learning this, unless commentary really has changed over last year, I might pass this year and wait for '13. Disappointing nonetheless though, but, I get it.

If you do....you'll be sorry IMO

Will that stupid newspaper article (which has always been somewhat of an eye sore to read might I add) be gone this year? Maybe at least look like a computer website or something more appealing...

Stupid?...well....forgetting that...no not until '13. It will be gone next year.

1. Will our saved Rosters and sliders automatically load when we put the disc in our PS3 and load the game up everytime time? Or do we still have to manualy load them?

2. Is there a MLB Today type feature? Where the rosters are updated everyday. And you can play the real games being played that day with all their real stats. And do the announcers talk about things that are happening in the current real season?

MLB Today type feature would be so great to have in MLB The Show

3. Has the end of game Box Score been improved any? Is there more info now?

Manually
No on an MLB Today type feature, not out of the question in the future though
Boxscores are the same....it's the Game Log that has the things you're looking for. '13 should see expanded boxscores with much more info

Knight, please see if players are called up and or sent down not only due to injury but for performance as well.

Injury and trade like '11. I think we'll see some change in this. Just my guess.

I understand for whatever reasons the contracts can't be the real life ones but can/will they be a bit more realistically in line with what the actual players are making?

I hear you....we still saw a lot of 1 year deals to start....It seems like the years are more in line......$$$....they are kind of tied on that one.

Will Yu Darvish and the other international signees be in the game this year?

1st update I believe.

If you can report back on any type of stat improvements including boxscores, stat overlays, back of baseball card etc.

Thank you for all the time and assistance you provide to the OS community.

Back of the card has been expanded.....
In game more split stuff and stats in overlays.....
Boxscores....same

Franchise Question:
During a franchise, can re-align divisions so that I can put Houston in the AL West? Or maybe an option during the initial setup of the Franchise before we start it?

Negative

Here's one... will the games start off being presented a different way this year instead of just the usual, 5 year old "zoom out"?

Like when I start a game, does it shows fans walking around? Maybe grounds crew prepping the field?...instead of the usual "oh yep, thats the scoreboard or the parks signature, look at that" view?

There is a different OSD to start...the lineup screen is different, but the backgrounds look similar if not the same to me.

Editor:

What about adding the ability for contract extensions?

I always hate it when I have a young player (or any player, for that matter) that is tearing it up but is in a contract year. I have to wait for free agency rather than locking him down during the season, and oftentimes I stand the chance of losing that player to another team.

Nope.....you can do the FA3 list swap trick to change contracts before you start though. Still works.

We need to get an MLB The Show online roster editor similar to a teambuilder type editor, so it will make your life easier

PREACH IT!!

Can we play co-op in franchise this year?

YES

Is the way teams manage their budgets in future years going to be improved?

Last year was the first year I've ever played The Show and I ran into the problem where teams screwed themselves around 2013-2014 and couldn't make any reasonable offers to free agents (other than low-ball 1 year offers) or trade players. It really ruined all the fun I had trying to rebuild the Blue Jays into a contender.

That was the glitch, should be gone(it was in testing while there)...but if you mean yourself...you're going to have to manage the team gently...winning is the only way to get more $$$ right now.(they MIGHT be working on something else though.....they were thinking about it while we were there, we left before a decision.)

I posted this in another thread but seems more for this thread....

Last year there was a problem with player eligibility for the playoffs. Will that be addressed this year?

Also there may be changes to the baseball schedule and rules. Will these changes be in the game?

Weather is another question, will weather play a factor in this years game?


Any answers are appreciated. Thanks!

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Yes...that seemed fixed. We tried all sorts of injuries.....DL.....putting on the playoff roster schemes...they all worked.

Most of the GM options are the same.

Weather will effect fielding only I believe. Other than that, just eye candy

will anything be changed regarding the size of contracts given out in the offseason? it's kinda annoying when a minor league reliever gets a 5 year deal for 500k per year when they should be getting one year deals. i also see things like albert pujols settling for a 2 year deal when he should be looking for a much bigger contract.

You will see most minor leaguers get their correct 1 year deals while under team control and then their 1 year arbitration deals until they are 25/26 unless the team decides to lock them up instead of arbitration. This was something specific we worked on there.

Geez, haven't posted on here in a while lol...

Other than new equipment could you check if any of the existing equipment has a 4th color panel? Not sure if it's wishful thinking, crappy cam quality footage from ces but it stubbs looked like he had something extra going on with his cleats.

They have changed the cleats and added some new gloves(batting) and cleats.....I'm not sure what you mean by 4th panel though.

Print button?

I know I'm reiterating points that have already been made for the most part, but the key issues I encountered with Franchise Mode in '11 were as follows:

The Draft - players rated highly overall with little or no potential are chosen ahead of high-ceiling prospects. Also, if we control all teams in franchise, can we please have the ability to simulate one pick at a time during the draft? I don't want to make every pick for every team or have to simulate the entire thing. Can each prospect be more unique, instead of each having the exact same batting stance, delivery, etc?

Trade Logic - Should depend more on how competitive a team is (I saw far too many last place teams adding payroll at the deadline while playoff contenders trade key pieces for prospects). It would also be nice to have the ability to assume a portion of the $ left on a player's contract as part of a deal.

Stat Tracking - This has been beaten to death, but more in-depth historical career data should be saved for each player (majors and minors)

Roster Moves Related to Performance - no matter how poorly a player is performing he'll only be replaced due to fatigue or injury. Why not sit him or send him to the minors to get someone else in the line-up, rotation or bullpen?

More Accurate Award Selection - Gold Gloves were awarded to players alphabetically and often times went to players who were DH's or backups

Expanded Farm Systems - A, AA, AAA?


That's all I've got - thank you for giving us the opportunity to provide our input.

While there...the draft entries looked like last year......we asked if they could increase the starting ratings of the A/B guys so teams would look to them first(seems like they look for overall before potential)....but we left before knowing if that will be changed.

Trade logic....tough. Very tough. I liked a lot of things I saw....some...less than stellar...do I need to expand?....

Will there be the ability to straight out release & sign players from roster management outside of franchise mode instead of needing to swap players?

Can we now edit player contracts to whatever we like?

No...and while I won't say never....call the MLB and complain. It's the only thing keeping them from letting us edit contracts.

Couple points I'm interested in...

1. In editor, can we edit potential (For default players) or stats and service time (For created players) yet?

2. Also in editor, have they added 3D hair yet? or is it still attached to their head?

3. In Franchise, any changes to coaches? Bullpen and Bench, AAA? Can we fire them during season/edit them?

4. In Franchise, has the retirement or potential systems been changed at all?.

5. Any changes to contracts? More realistic? or multiple options possible on one contract?

That's all I can think of right now, Thanks Knight.

No on both

Hair....attached to head?!...I hope so!!
It's the same though...

No on firing coaches mid season. Sorry. I'm still asking!
Retirements got a 1(+) year push back. Guys MIGHT hang a bit longer....depending on their overall the likeliness increase/decreases on retiring.

Contracts....see above

I know a few people have asked about stats but I wanted to know specifically if Record Books have been improved, expanded or anything? They're kind of useless as they are now. SOmeone either breaks the record or not and there's basically no mention of it (other than the announcer MAYBE saying something).

For 3 years I've posted a "wish list" for expanding records so I'm hoping at at least we get more records kept even if it isn't to the extent that I want (Team Records, All-Time List etc).

Record books are the same...THEY NEED A TOTAL REWRITE!!!! I agree wholeheartedly.

Max Scherzer's eyes.

Remember, it's the little things.

Can't be done.

In addition to fixing manage mode which is my annual wish, an issue with gameplay is this: Outfielders tend to play deeper than I prefer. There is an option to set outfield depth to normal, and you can select always. Unfortunately when you do that the infielders no longer automatically go to double play depth in a situation where that is called for. When you manually set infielders to double play the cpu then goes back to controlling outfielders. In other words, the function to have outfielders play a particular depth always is broken.

I don't think that has been reported previously.

Franchise changes sound interesting.

OF play has been changed and it looks great. I don't think you'll need to move guys. I tried your problem with the depth and then DP issue and yes, I saw it. Never noticed it before. They can't figure out why it's happening(before we left)....I think it's going to remain in '12. Sorry...but I don't think you'll have to use the depth change much.

do teams still sign 9 Catchers and have only 3 3B. this is another franchise oversight

We did see similar things still happening....but it was usually because of players w/secondary positions able to play the less filled position. They are looking at it....especially the pitcher overstock problem. Let's hope.

Can we choose 16 teams in Franchise 8 for each league? Just like the old days!

Only in the Online Custom League.
In franchise mode or season mode...NO sorry.

M.K.
Knight165

[DodgerFanatic2K3]

Re: Community Day....FRANCHISE and EDITOR

Oh, I didn't know they wanted a lineup lock. Either way, lineup logic was worked on and rewritten so it shouldn't be a major concern. Correct? Why would it be needed? Didn't even know lineup lock was even being asked for. To me that doesn't give the AI flexibility when creating lineups. It's been said before that the AI doesn't recognize names but stats and ratings, correct? The new lineup logic should work. Tell them it'll work Knight!...lol

I'd assume, I hate that word BTW, that lineup logic (along with many other franchise features) was tested during franchise mode play at the community event.

No No No No No....I didn't and don't want a full lineup lock, I just simply wanted to be able to set exhibition rosters outside of a season and simply start a season and have the same lineups & rotations that I set stick for just the beginning of the season without having to make all the roster moves manually or use 30 team control. I don't care what the AI does to the lineups after a few games but I can't stand that it doesn't at least allow you to start with them

[steelersfan77]

Re: Community Day....FRANCHISE and EDITOR

No No No No No....I didn't and don't want a full lineup lock, I just simply wanted to be able to set exhibition rosters outside of a season and simply start a season and have the same lineups & rotations that I set stick for just the beginning of the season without having to make all the roster moves manually or use 30 team control. I don't care what the AI does to the lineups after a few games but I can't stand that it doesn't at least allow you to start with them

Alright, I understand. All that has to do with needing to have the roster at the 25 man minimum before advancing past spring training right? That came up last year? I don't think it was a problem in '10 was it?

[tabarnes19_SDS]

Re: Community Day....FRANCHISE and EDITOR

Guys...not to beat a dead horse, but A few years ago WE ALL begged for Spring Training. The side effect of that is that the cpu makes decisions that it feels is best for its team moving forward. The logic is written to begin with spring training and adjust rosters for the start of the season.

Now you all say, well make an option to not have spring training and just skip to the season. Here's the deal it's really not that easy. Knight and I asked to have different transactions tagged in different colors and that, as simple as it sounds, requires more programming.

Everything is tied to another and requires extensive programming, change one thing and break six others. What everyone is asking for requires EXTENSIVE changes to logic.

[DodgerFanatic2K3]

Re: Community Day....FRANCHISE and EDITOR

Alright, I understand. All that has to do with needing to have the roster at the 25 man minimum before advancing past spring training right? That came up last year? I don't think it was a problem in '10 was it?

Yep for Season you either have to start with special 25 man only rosters from the start that leave you no inactive players for injury or send down 450 players and then add them back....I think '10 had this issue too but I'm not sure

Guys...not to beat a dead horse, but A few years ago WE ALL begged for Spring Training. The side effect of that is that the cpu makes decisions that it feels is best for its team moving forward. The logic is written to begin with spring training and adjust rosters for the start of the season.

Now you all say, well make an option to not have spring training and just skip to the season. Here's the deal it's really not that easy. Knight and I asked to have different transactions tagged in different colors and that, as simple as it sounds, requires more programming.

Everything is tied to another and requires extensive programming, change one thing and break six others. What everyone is asking for requires EXTENSIVE changes to logic.

I totally understand and I only wish we knew what the negatives were going to be before asking for spring training

[Knight165]

Re: Community Day....FRANCHISE and EDITOR

In the editor it would be fantastic to have a player randomizer for appearances and ratings.

Nice idea.....I'll bring this up.

sorry if this has been asked, but i'm hoping that the player vault will work within a franchise this year?

Import into franchise....not yet. It was their intention for this from the start...but it was buggy.

Are we going to be able to send out Non roster invites to players not on the 40 man roster?

Not in '12....I think we will in '13.

Could you ask the developers if they've added an ALMANAC or HISTORY section sort of like Madden has in which you could go to an area in the game menu that tracks all your FRANCHISE HISTORY DATA like previous seasons standings, Playoff Boxscores, stats, League Leaders, etc. that you've accumulated throughtout the seasons.

This would make your Franchise come alive more rich with history that the player created thru the seasons so Franchise Mode doesnt just simply feel like a bunch of Single Season Modes glued together.

I agree...totally. There isn't in '12...but I'm hoping for this and much more tracked info for '13

Are loading times FASTER? Save times were unbearable compared ot years past, and loading times in general have been dreadful. Are loading screens for games something more like the other game? Or are we stuck with the same old same old. Thanks.

Yes....definitely they are.

Knight, hope you're having fun!

I asked this before, but I want the ability to use the Roster Vault to import draft picks. They'd be amazing.

It would.....as I stated above...they intended that for the introduction of the vault....I'll try and keep this on Aaron's radar.

I usually don't pick about small things, but I was curious if you guys could ask if they can change Kevin Youkilis's eye color. He seriously looks like a zombie. haha. I'm not sure if this is the correct place to post this--I figured since this thread is about the editor.

Thanks and I look forward to hearing about the game from you guys.

Enigma looked at this.....he said it looked good.

Can you check to see if it is possible to trade players under team control in the offseason, even if they do not have a contract for the next year yet?

This was still a problem when we tried....they did change some things and I didn't get to retry it. Damn....I'm sorry I missed checking on this again. Sorry.

I have a few questions about the draft/minor leagues, as I am big into player development:

1) Are there any new additions to the way players are scouted before a draft/the amount of information you have on players in the draft. It always bothered me that not every player has potential listed in the draft, but only a few. These days, almost every MLB team has thorough scouting reports on nearly every player available.

2) Can drafted players go right into the minor leagues, or do they still have to sit out the rest of that season? It seems like a shame to waste 4 months of playing time to make them sit.

3) Tell us about the new free agent bidding process

1. I agree...but it's the same. I THINK one of the things they want to do in '13 is new scouting and hopefully it will address this. I've also discussed having a generic "The Show" scouting report(not always reliable).....and then YOUR scout will give you his report(more detailed and correct according to his ratings)....so you will always have a general idea of prospects in the league and coming into the league.

2.Still sit until there is room.

3. I think there was miscommunication with a new process somehow...it's the same as '11. There is a slightly different trade screen....perhaps that was what was meant.....I don't know.

Spring Training invites? Maybe 25 Single-A players? Please say yes.

Man do I want Non-Roster invitees....BIG TIME....not this year though.....
Same 15 man Single A ....sorry.

This year will they get away from the generic batting golves, sweatbands, and mits? i would love to see nike, adidas, reebox, mizuno,and wilson... make the game have a more realistic look!!!

Thanks Knight and Co. for all u do!!!

They are not real(licensing)...but they always strive to make them look realistic. There are some new additions as well.

Is there going to be a way to where we can edit how many teams are in the league and division like if we wanted to play 1987 have them teams in and set the divisions to the way how it really was then. And is there a way we can change team names such Montreal Expos over ther Nationals? ect...

Not in '12 other than Online Custom Leagues.
I'm hoping for full Custom franchise options for next year.

Could you please go in-depth of what goes into signing free agents?

Thanks!

....see above....I think this was a mistake where it was said/posted/interpreted ......

I apologize if this was asked already, but will season stats be split when you complete a trade between AL/NL. It's a stupid thing, but i hate when the stats do not reset after that lol

No....but I'm nearly certain it will be in next year. We were actually close to getting it in this year. Friggin' deadlines!!!

Can we PLEASE, PLEASE finally be able to fire coaches in the middle of the season.

Also, do we have the ability to get fired by the higher ups of the team if the team is under-performing? and do we have the ability to re-sign and sign with another interested team that's looking for a new G.M.?

Same as last year. I with you......

Can we resign players at any point in the season and give contract extensions to players already signed ie Matt Moore's extension

End of season only right now.

Hey Barnesy and Mike,

Did you guys happen to delve into ratings at all? I have pretty much spent the last year or so trying to figure out which rating does what. It would truly be nice to get a clear understanding as it would make contributing to the OSFM that much more easier. It really is amazing to see my players actually realize their potentials at advanced levels of baseball and to make this gaming experience that much better would only be icing on the cake. You both know where I stand and as a roster maker its imperative to have firm understanding of this.

Cant wait to hear what you guys have to say.

It's a complicated soup and quite a few of the attributes play off of another. Some...are left vague in description on purpose(I hope guys understand that to some extent....even though they gave us the ability to edit them.....they didn't want to lock us out of that even though they don't really want full descriptions. Perhaps one day Brian will reveal the secret recipe to all)

M.K.
Knight165