2012 The Show Official Trade Discussion Thread

[Totte]

So a mid B and mid C???

Don't have the game on in front of me but if you feel that's fair, go for it. Trust your instincts

EDIT: I looked at his MiLB stats from this year and he looks promising. If he's a B pot himself, you can get him with an equal B pot prospect and a mid C.

[AC]

What kind of pitcher do you guys think I could get from the Braves for Emilio Bonifacio? I was thinking either a Gilmartin-type, or if the Braves would want to sell low on Julio Teheran, that'd be interesting. Not unrealistic either seeing as his fastball velocity has fallen off a cliff. Maybe for an injured Brandon Beachy?

[Totte]

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What kind of pitcher do you guys think I could get from the Braves for Emilio Bonifacio? I was thinking either a Gilmartin-type, or if the Braves would want to sell low on Julio Teheran, that'd be interesting. Not unrealistic either seeing as his fastball velocity has fallen off a cliff. Maybe for an injured Brandon Beachy?

I was gonna say Jair Jurrjens to begin with haha

Doubt they'll sell low on Teheran until they let him prove himself as the no 5 guy come April 1st. From what I've read, Beachy is thought of more highly than Teheran within the Braves organisation.

Possible that Gilmartin could be had in a trade. Are you thinking like straight up for Bonifacio?

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I was gonna say Jair Jurrjens to begin with haha

Doubt they'll sell low on Teheran until they let him prove himself as the no 5 guy come April 1st. From what I've read, Beachy is thought of more highly than Teheran within the Braves organisation.

Possible that Gilmartin could be had in a trade. Are you thinking like straight up for Bonifacio?

I think I'd probably want a little more than Gilmartin, Bonifacio's the type of player who can be extremely valuable. He could play third to replace Chipper, he could move Prado to third, he could give almost anyone a day off, and he can actually hit worth a damn.

Some other pitchers are Medlen, Hudson (I'd rather not), Minor, or Randall Delgado.

I think one of Beachy/Medlen/Gilmartin/Minor/Delgado/Teheran + Dan Uggla (pretty horribad contract and we need a 2B to replace Boni) would be about fair value, although I'm probably dreaming on Medlen. I know about his unbelievable streak, so I'll go check out his stats.

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I think I'd probably want a little more than Gilmartin, Bonifacio's the type of player who can be extremely valuable. He could play third to replace Chipper, he could move Prado to third, he could give almost anyone a day off, and he can actually hit worth a damn.

Some other pitchers are Medlen, Hudson (I'd rather not), Minor, or Randall Delgado.

I think one of Beachy/Medlen/Gilmartin/Minor/Delgado/Teheran + Dan Uggla (pretty horribad contract and we need a 2B to replace Boni) would be about fair value, although I'm probably dreaming on Medlen. I know about his unbelievable streak, so I'll go check out his stats.

I agree with you that Bonifacio is valuable because he can play anywhere on the field and has game changing speed. However, he's a super-sub in my eyes and not someone you rely on for 162 games in a season. One might argue that Jerry Hairston Jr is a super-sub as well and I believe Bonifacio is better than that so let's call him an über super-sub.

Gilmartin/Minor/Delgado for Bonifacio would work in my book with a slight "win" on the deal for you. One could argue that the Braves would want to shed Uggla's salary and open up 2B for Pastornicky (with Simmons at SS) but the price for Uggla would still be a low B or 2 high C's. Especially since he's been such a reliable power threat with the bat over the last couple of years. 2B like that are hard to come by.

Gilmartin and Uggla for Bonifacio and 2 high C's?

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I agree with you that Bonifacio is valuable because he can play anywhere on the field and has game changing speed. However, he's a super-sub in my eyes and not someone you rely on for 162 games in a season. One might argue that Jerry Hairston Jr is a super-sub as well and I believe Bonifacio is better than that so let's call him an über super-sub.

Gilmartin/Minor/Delgado for Bonifacio would work in my book with a slight "win" on the deal for you. One could argue that the Braves would want to shed Uggla's salary and open up 2B for Pastornicky (with Simmons at SS) but the price for Uggla would still be a low B or 2 high C's. Especially since he's been such a reliable power threat with the bat over the last couple of years. 2B like that are hard to come by.

Gilmartin and Uggla for Bonifacio and 2 high C's?

I'm not sure about your valuation on Uggla. He hit just 19 homers last year with a 25% K%. He only had a .164 ISO but his BABIP remained near his career average. His fielding has been historically terrible and he's getting older on a terrible contract. His OBP has always been high, as has his walk rate, however. I'm just worried he's trending down and probably isn't worth multiple prospects himself.

Looking over Medlen, he seems like a nice sell-high candidate for the Braves. I'm not sure how much he'd cost, though. Hard guy to stick a value on. Also, what would you put Beachy and Teheran at in terms of value?

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I'm not sure about your valuation on Uggla. He hit just 19 homers last year with a 25% K%. He only had a .164 ISO but his BABIP remained near his career average. His fielding has been historically terrible and he's getting older on a terrible contract. His OBP has always been high, as has his walk rate, however. I'm just worried he's trending down and probably isn't worth multiple prospects himself.

2012 was a down year and he could be on a rapid decline, that's true. The value in my book for his pedigree is still a low B or 2 high C's at this point. A terrible start to the 2013 season and he could be down to 1 high C for a guy with a huge contract and nowhere to go but down. Until further notice, I just view 2012 as a bump in the road.

Looking over Medlen, he seems like a nice sell-high candidate for the Braves. I'm not sure how much he'd cost, though. Hard guy to stick a value on.

One mid-B maybe? 3 high C's? Really depends on what need the Braves would want to fill with the deal though. Something like Ricky Romero for Kris Medlen and a high C maybe?

Also, what would you put Beachy and Teheran at in terms of value?

Beachy/Teheran - One high B or two low B's

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2012 was a down year and he could be on a rapid decline, that's true. The value in my book for his pedigree is still a low B or 2 high C's at this point. A terrible start to the 2013 season and he could be down to 1 high C for a guy with a huge contract and nowhere to go but down. Until further notice, I just view 2012 as a bump in the road.

Fair enough. I see the Braves/Jays matching up well in terms of minor prospects anyways.

One mid-B maybe? 3 high C's? Really depends on what need the Braves would want to fill with the deal though. Something like Ricky Romero for Kris Medlen and a high C maybe?

The thing with that though is that our rotation still lacks depth. I'm looking for a guy who's an obvious upgrade over J.A. Happ, who could push him into a relief role, but still has options.

Beachy/Teheran - One high B or two low B's

I'd agree there. I'd be more inclined to deal from depth and go with the two low B's.

So, Bonifacio + two low B's = Beachy / Teheran

Bonifacio + three C's = Minor

Bonifacio + MLB player = Medlen?

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Fair enough. I see the Braves/Jays matching up well in terms of minor prospects anyways.

I agree. I'm positive you can find a match here.

The thing with that though is that our rotation still lacks depth. I'm looking for a guy who's an obvious upgrade over J.A. Happ, who could push him into a relief role, but still has options.

Getting an extra arm which would allow you to put Happ in the bullpen as a swingman? That's a nice idea. How about trying to get Bud Norris as so many other teams have this winter? a low B and mid C might do the trick as long as they're getting young players in return.

I'd agree there. I'd be more inclined to deal from depth and go with the two low B's.

So, Bonifacio + two low B's = Beachy / Teheran

Bonifacio + three C's = Minor

Bonifacio + MLB player = Medlen?

Yes, I'd do all those deals.

Guess the Medlen one depends on what MLB player we're talking about but in a nutshell, yes

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Getting an extra arm which would allow you to put Happ in the bullpen as a swingman? That's a nice idea. How about trying to get Bud Norris as so many other teams have this winter? a low B and mid C might do the trick as long as they're getting young players in return.

What about Ubaldo as a restoration project?

[AC]

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Getting an extra arm which would allow you to put Happ in the bullpen as a swingman? That's a nice idea. How about trying to get Bud Norris as so many other teams have this winter? a low B and mid C might do the trick as long as they're getting young players in return.

I've thought about it and looked Norris over but I'm not really sure how much of an upgrade he truly is over Happ. However, if you've got ideas for an upgrade, shoot.

Guess the Medlen one depends on what MLB player we're talking about but in a nutshell, yes

Probably a Brad Lincoln or Chad Jenkins.

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What about Ubaldo as a restoration project?

Ehh, his FB velocity has been on a steady decline for years now. I got to see him this year and looked like a shell of what he used to be.

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I've thought about it and looked Norris over but I'm not really sure how much of an upgrade he truly is over Happ. However, if you've got ideas for an upgrade, shoot.

Ubaldo, Scherzer, Billingsley, Arroyo

Probably a Brad Lincoln or Chad Jenkins.

Both of them seem like good options. Lincoln is intriguing as he'd be able to both start and pitch out of the pen like Medlen.

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Ehh, his FB velocity has been on a steady decline for years now. I got to see him this year and looked like a shell of what he used to be.

Hence why he might be able to come over at a low cost with the Indians wanting to dump some salary this off-season

[AC]

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Ubaldo, Scherzer, Billingsley, Arroyo

Ubaldo no, Scherzer's a little expensive... I've thought about Billingsley, and Arroyo I hate with the fiery passion of 1000 white-hot burning suns.

Both of them seem like good options. Lincoln is intriguing as he'd be able to both start and pitch out of the pen like Medlen.

Exactly, and Lincoln's more of an NL pitcher, although since he's a pitcher I'd probably throw in some prospects.

Hence why he might be able to come over at a low cost with the Indians wanting to dump some salary this off-season

Yeah but I'm not even sure he's better than Happ atm haha.